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Pretty much where I'm at also, GM. I would have preferred Flip over Pep, though...

I think everybody knows my feelings about Flip. I believe I was the only one tooting his horn soon as he was mentioned as a possibility to come to Cleveland. He will be missed and letting him go is going to come back and bite us in the butt down the road.

I fear that may be so...

I know you guys are smarter than I am, but does it really matter that Hamilton is here? Hue will be running the O and calling plays. We also have Saunders who everybody likes.

'Browns Hire DBs Coach Louie Cioffi from Titans'

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/1/21/10813194/browns-hire-dbs-coach-louie-cioffi-from-titans

A reunion is beginning to take shape in Berea. Another member of the 2013 Cleveland Browns coaching staff has joined the new staff under head coach Hue Jackson.

According to Alex Marvez of FoxSports.com, the Browns have hired Louie Cioffi from the Titans to serve as the club's defensive backs coach.

(More at link above.)

was the best coaching staff since the return. JMO

Welcome back to the reunion coaches, and welcome aboard to our new coaches.

Best of luck to us going forward!! Just win, baby.

I'm just a dumb old redneck. I ain't even smarter than a 5th grader.

The team announced the entire offensive staff today.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...6b-44e5e252aa7f

Pep Hamilton (associate head coach-offense)
Al Saunders (Sr. offensive assistant/wide receivers)
Kirby Wilson (running backs/run game coordinator)
Hal Hunter (offensive line)
Mark Hutson (assistant offensive line)
Greg Seamon (tight ends)
Bob Saunders (offensive quality control)
Shawn Mennenga (special teams assistant)
Stan Watson (special teams quality control)

If you want quotes from Jackson click the link. The formatting on the Browns website so it is tedious to copy and past.

There is a lot of experience on that staff.

Still hoping we bring in Singletary in some capacity on defense. I don't think Horton will be with us long. If our defense improves steadily I see him becoming a HC in a couple years. Singletary would be a nice DC in waiting.

Last time he was here Cioffi, was supposed to be Horton's successor.

Thats a pretty solid looking group.

Interesting that there's no QB coach. Jackson must be taking on that role himself.

In the link Jackson says, “Getting a coach like Pep Hamilton is going to be big for us,” Jackson said. “He will be great for the quarterbacks’ room. He is going to help us mold that ‘guy’ into being one of the best quarterbacks in the National Football League. That is our goal. We have to have a signal caller that can play at a high level. That is Pep’s number one mission and mine too as we go through it. In his role as the associate head coach, when I step out, he steps in. I have a lot of confidence and trust in Pep. He has done a great job calling plays in the National Football League. I am going to give him a lot of responsibilities as we move forward.”

Mary Kay Cabot was wrong on this one.

https://twitter.com/alexmarvez/status/690573781224529920

Either that or Hamilton/Saunders will take the role.

I would assume that, since Hamilton will essentially coordinate the passing game, that he will be the QB coach by default.

One more story on the assistant coaches:

Cleveland Browns head coach Hue Jackson hires 10 assistants - Cleveland Browns Blog- ESPN
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns..._medium=twitter

The Cleveland Browns announced the hiring of 10 assistant coaches Friday. (Here are the highlights:

* Head coach Hue Jackson will call the plays on offense. Jackson said that's what got him where he is, and he wants to stick with that. "You want to make sure the team is really good at what got you here, first and foremost," he said in a statement released by the team.

Jackson will not have a traditional offensive coordinator, but he will not lack for offensive coaches with fancy titles. Kirby Wilson is the run game coordinator/running backs coach. Pep Hamilton is the associate head coach-offense/quarterbacks coach. And Al Saunders is the senior offensive assistant/wide receivers coach. Jackson is clearly a creative guy.

* Other hired coaches include Ray Horton (defensive coordinator), Hal Hunter (offensive line), Mark Hutson (assistant offensive line), Greg Seamon (tight ends), Bob Saunders (offensive quality control). Shawn Mennenga and Stan Watson have been retained to help Chris Tabor with special teams.

Jackson gushed about Al Saunders, who has 32 years of NFL coaching experience. “You will be hard-pressed to find a better offensive coach in the National Football League than Al Saunders,” Jackson said. “He has been my right hand in Oakland. He has been my right hand in so many situations."

I didn't like that he's calling plays, as he has enough on his plate as a new'ish HC, but I will say he seems to be mitigating that by his staff. You can argue the quality of staff with specific hires,but the Quantity is certainly there to ensure everything is handled.

On the quality side, while the resume of some are debatable, Jackson did seem to put an emphasis on experience. His staff is not a bunch of rookies.

Pep Hamilton is the only guy I scratch my head. Otherwise, yes, this is a great offensive staff. Pep reminds me of a another Childress. Yet, Chilly was hired by Andy Reid to be the OC in KC.

Was Pep a great QB coach at one time? Anything he did in the past? Guy struggled. Obviously I missed something!

The Colts had one of the best offenses in 2014. Hamilton was also Luck's offensive coordinator/QB coach at Stanford.

Lets see Pep was a quality control coach with the Jets in 2003. In 2004 he was the Jets QB coach (Chad Pennington anybody ) The Jets switched him to WR coach in 2005 (I guess he was pretty bad as a QB coach)

2006 He was the QB Coach for the 49ers, where he led Alex Smith to a whopping 2890 yards passing for the entire season. Hmmm he only lasted one year there

2007 to 2009 with the Bears. IN 2007 he lead Griese, Grosseman, and Orton to a 17 TD with 21 int's debacle. In 2008 he coached uo Kyle Orton all the way to 2972 yards on the season, and in 2008 He taught Jay Cutler to throw 27 TD passes to go along with his 26 INT's.

2010 After losing his job with Chicago Pep shows up at Stanford as their WR Coach. In 2011 he is promoted to QB/OC jumping onto Lucks coat tails and hanging on for dear life. He continues to ride them back into the NFL with Luck in Indy until he is fired this last Mid Season.

I see no reason why that resume should impress anybody, at any time, in any way.

I'm not getting that "warm-n-fuzzy" feeling either, but I defer to Hue...

Pep's offense was carried by the greatness of Luck. That same offense put Luck in a lot of danger. Sending everyone out on routes. Not helping the OL pass block. Relying on Luck's willingness to get absolutely crushed play after play after play as he stood in the face of pressure to deliver his passes.

Pep is a dud!

I wish I had the link and could recall where I read it, but about a week prior to the assistant hirings when Hue said he'd handle play calling, it was speculated then that he would hire an assistant who would handle the bulk of the game planning during the week. The experience he's brought on board would seem to support that.

My hope is that he doesn't get overwhelmed with the HC duties as well, but I can't say I don't like the concept of him calling plays. After all, he did help the Bengals go on a 9-0 run last season.

Pep Hamilton is the associate head coach-offense/quarterbacks coach.

Yes he is and he scares me

Well, he has Saunders and Jackson around him. He's got resources that can guide him if he goes off the rails. He doesn't have control over the Oline or the running game or the WRs.

So really, he's just one moving part in the engine.

For myself, there are two guys that I've got some concern over.. Hamilton and Bob Saunders. I did a little check on Saunders (bob) and came away unimpressed. I assumed he was related to Al.. Not sure if that's the case.

I think it boils down to this..

Pep is willing to be a puppet to have a job.

Flip is ready to show he can succeed...he moved on.

Probably so. But as we all know, the NFL is about hiring your buddy to these coaching positions. Someone helps you along the way as they rise up the ladder, then you hire them in return as their star starts to dim.

If Hue likes the guy, then so be it. If Pep turns out to hold the team back, hopefully Hue doesn't make the same mistake with Pep as Pet did by remaining faithful to O'Neil.

Pet might still be our coach had he canned O'Neil maybe 7-8 games in to this past season.

Yes, and I'm not sure what the reasoning for it is..
Sometimes I think it's because they are scared so they bring along a friend who is like a comfy blanket for them.

Spot on. Buddy system. Can work if you have quality buddies. I do not care if this staff struggles; that is to be expected. But struggle to correct and eliminate horrible stuff. We repeated and never fixed some dumb stuff that beat us often. Never seemed to be given priority off flat out ignored.

Hope this group will confront lousy play/players quickly. Or bench them.

Pet was never able to reach the troubled player. West had talent, cut. Johnny had talent, benched in a publicity stunt. Gilbert, inactive all year. Desiere spoke up, in practice and benched. Kruger complains, his playing time dropped like a rock. Mingo complains, where is mingo?

You gotta know how to communicate to everyone not just the yes sir/no sir players. What makes Marvin, Carrol, reid, the Hargaughs all great coaches is the factthey can reach players and deal with the different personalities.

Hell even Belli, he took in former bengals castoffs, Randy Moss and a slew of others that no one really wanted to give a shot. He made it work.

This is the area where Hue has to succeed.


oo and now for the buddy system. There isnt alot of trust in the NFL. There is always a barrier between front office and coaching. Coaches get hand picked coaches shoved on their staff and the head coach often will see that person as a spy or someone that isnt out for the coaches best interest.

Pet and Shanny no trust. Chud was force fed Horton after Horton interviewed for the same job Chud landed. So when a coach gets a little power, he is gonna hire those he trusts. I cant blame him in not wanting to have to watch his back around his own staff.

Flip was interviewed by multiple teams as an offensive coordinator and they all passed.

Singletary was rumored to be a part of our coaching staff at one point:



http://thebiglead.com/2016/01/13/mike-si...s-another-shot/

If he doesn't want to be a linebacker coach, then I don't see him coming here.

It seems like Singletary is aiming too high. He needs to get back in the league and work if he wants to be hired as a head coach or coordinator (he has never been a coordinator at any level).

Flip went back to his old stomping grounds. He went to High School in Philly

Or Flip decided it wasn't a fit for him and he passed.