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I'd be more than happy with cook at 31 - and if he's not there I dont mind too much. I do think that when it's all said and done there isn't much between Wentz, Lynch and Cook.

Its 32

I remember reading that the Browns sent a scout to talk to his high school coach. That's what I'd call due diligence. Pity they didn't do that with Manziel.

I didn't hear about the Browns spending the most time with Cook.

Where did you hear that from?

j/c

I wish I remember where I heard it (someone on Twitter), but Cleveland also was rumored to be high on Hogan from Stanford ... as a late round project obviously

According to Walter Football teammates of both Zeke Elliot and Connor Cook were not liked on by teammates coming from the interviews at the combine.

Let's hope the Browns don't draft either of these players.

If you don't want to draft them, that fine.
But c'mon with the loose 'reports' being pawned off as facts/valid reasons to not draft a prospect.

It is being reported on the Walter Football mock draft site.

Exactly.

I was completely on the Connor Cook ban wagon from the beginning but have been scared off of him lately.

Uh, that visit to his high school coach was done by Ray Farmer...

Old facts?

Not Cook, please.

What did Gruden reportedly tell Raiders about Manziel on draft night?

http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/jon-...d-browns-102714

Gruden's record with QB picks as an analyst is pretty spotty. I think that he always pimps that 4th or 5th QB on the list so that he can say "I told you so!" if he gets lucky.

Yes, he was ga-ga over Manziel. It's too bad, I saw some stuff I loved from Johnny, but he won't quit partying, and he's ruined his NFL career because of it.

P.S. I wanted Bridgewater.

Has Gruden ever been right?

Technically he has to be right sometimes. He had Luck in there and loved him. Same with Cam Newton.

Until I saw this, I thought he would now be our guy.... but, honestly, if Gruden is onboard with it, we MUST stay away.

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't know a good QB from a bad one if we put him in a room with Otto Graham and Redd Foxx.... or Peyton Manning and Tim Tebow.

Forgive my ignorance, has a QB ever been a 50% completion guy in college and been any good?

I don't think a 50% completion guy has ever been drafted in the modern era

Cook was 56% last year and not better than 58 in his career is my point. I didn't mean literally 50%

Where do you come up w/this garbage? Goodness.

Same place you get your garbage... it's called an opinion. And my opinion is that Gruden doesn't know diddly - Bo, or otherwise.

Yeah, I get it's an opinion. I am just saying your opinion is garbage. That's my opinion.

I am not a huge Grudin fan, but man, your comments were whacked.

Am I going to have to come on here to point out that you are bullying again Verse?

*shrugs* To answer your question I'm gonna need to specifically what comp % you're asking about...

I think Conner Cook is going to be a bust.

I don't want him unless it is in the 3rd round.

That's fine with me, I feel that most of your opinions are equally garbage and baseless, so we're pretty much even.

And I stand by my comments about Gruden... dude has never met a QB he didn't like; and most have been utter garbage. The number of times he has literally swooned over a guy that can't play the position to save his life is ridiculous. That equates to him not knowing jack-squat about QBs.

Thanks. I consider that a compliment considering the source.

I said, 56%. Connor Cooks completion percentage, in a Connor Cook thread.

I guess the miscommunication was I was saying has anyone, ever been in "the 50's" concerning completion percentage and ever been any good. You took that as literally 50% (which I can understand).

Sure, no worries.

Warning tangent follows:
I don't believing scouting based on stats alone. What is comp% really an indication of? Completion % imho is a stat that doesn't isolate any 1 particular trait. Its part a measure of accuracy, scheme, passing unit talent (OL+Receivers), QB efficiency/decision making. So the question for me becomes: how much can you infer about the prospect by looking at comp% alone? I don't know, for me not much therefore it's not a stat I get wrapped up in for college prospects. Something to look at interpret that adds to the full picture? Certainly. But a stand alone make or break factor? Nah, not for me.

Cook career comp% 57.5.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/connor-cook-1.html

Anyhow...here are some NFL QBs in the 57.5 comp % +/-


Interestingly enough the NFL comp I have for him is Matt Ryan whose comp% was % 59.9

Jay Cutler comp% 57.2.
Tyros Taylor % 57.2.
Matt Stafford % 57.1.
Eli Manning 60.8%
Brock Oswiler 60.6%

Have you thought about the flip side to your question?
How many QBs w/ a college completion of above 57.5% +/- have failed?

Blake Bortles can't even complete 60% of his passes in the NFL and people think he's going to be a star.

Are you saying that it is easier to have a higher completion percentage in the NFL than college?

No. I am saying Blake Bortles has never completed 60% of his passes.

I always like to look at y/a along with completion percentage. If a QB is throwing deeper, then having a low completion percentage is more acceptable.

Cook's y/a is a mediocre 7.7 which doesn't help his case.

Ryan has two years of 60+% before BC went to a spread offense. In addition that team was absolutely trash on Offense. Cook was on a team that was contending for a National Championship basically all 3 years of his being a starter. Without digging too much into it only Stafford has a quality offense on any of those teams.

I was a Cook fan after his Sophmore year, I thought he would progress and become a top 10 draft pick. I think he actually got worse as his team got better. Their Marquee win last year was in a game he didn’t even play in.

I’ve openly stated I think Hackenberg can be fixed and he had an EVEN WORSE completion percentage. I just think that with a team as good as Cook had his completion percentage was pathetic. I think he ducks out of getting hit, I think he throws off his back foot too often, a lot of times when it is completely unnecessary. I think a lot of his issues stem from avoiding contact and I personally hate guys like that. It’s football, if you don’t want to get hit by freaking Indiana you’re in trouble at the next level.

I have thought about the flip side of my argument and I don’t think it holds water. Guys like Colt McCoy and Colt Brennan, they don’t count, no one ever thought they could be viable QB’s in the NFL. Freaking Brandon Weeden is top 5 ALL TIME in completion percentage. The system matters, these guys throwing into bubble screens and short passing games need to be evaluated differently. It’s not an exact science, but with Cook it goes beyond just having poor surrounding talent and being in a pro style system. With Cook Its poor footwork and being afraid to get hit, it would greatly concern me. Now, I said the same thing about Derrek Carr (afraid to get hit) and he has proven me wrong. I also said it about Blaine Gabbert and he is still running scared, again not an exact science.


What is the answer? I don’t know, I just know I am not a big Cook fan and I would prefer Hackenberg if I had to pick between them.

Bortles 68, 62 and 67% in college.

Are you sure about that? I remember scouting him when he was in college and I thought he was over 60 percent?

Never mind..........BpG corrected your mistake already.