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I think what matters more than how much they start is how much they are hit when they DO start. QB's who get hit a lot when they first start off almost always fail. They get shell shock and their instinctual reactions go strait to hell.
Key stat to look for is how fast on avg that QB gets rid of the ball. IF its under 3 seconds he has a chance to succeed. If he has a rep for holding the ball too long before making a decision to throw then he will never succeed at the NFL level. Consider it the first benchmark for a chance to succeed.
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I remember like it was yesterday going to the stadium to watch the Browns play the Jets.
Namath was still young. He was warming up on the sidelines standing flatfoot. He was throwing the ball 40 yards like it was nothing. Man he could spin it. Just a beautiful motion no waste.
The first time I saw Andrew Luck I was stunned. He was junior. He had the best overall fundamentals that I had ever seen. He just did everything right. Not just throwing the ball. Everything. Play fakes, touch, pump fakes, looking guys off, ball placement on all throws, balance, could throw on the run accurately going both ways. Never wanted a quarterback as much as I wanted Luck.
Totally agree on Warren Moon. Threw a beautiful ball.
There have times when I have watched Carson Palmer and thought the guy would never miss.
But the guy who blows me away is Aaron Rodgers. He has a gun but the thing I love about him is his ability to throw from multiple platforms accurately.
Pure arm, again I agree Jeff George (super head case) he could throw the ball a mile.
Dan Marino had the release. He was a pocket passer with very little mobility. Yet, he was impossible to sack. He got rid of the ball so quickly and he was deadly accurate.
Farve: He made some throws that I would just jump up in the air and yell WOW.
Two players really got me into football. Jim Brown and John Unitas. Unitas could drop a ball into bucket at 50 yards. He was the total quarterback and a leader of men.
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Good post. Johnny U was my favorite player when I was a kid.
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Coincidence, ditto.
I remember when they first showed "The Greatest Game Ever Played" the 1958 Championship Game. The precision of Unitas and Berry was something to watch.
I am half Lithuanian. So my father was a big Unitas man and passed it on to me.
Still to this day when the old question is asked: "who would you want to have the ball to lead a drive to win a game?" Got to be Johnny U.
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I've only seen clips of Johnny U. What I've seen was pretty great though.
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Johnny U and Berry were a beautiful thing to behold. They actually were an off-shoot to the success that Otto and Lavelli had here in Cleveland. They picked up on the latter's success and rolled w/it.
I remember reading how Johnny U and Berry would go out before practice and stay after practice every day to work on timing. LOL.........I guess they were the first to understand the word "anticipation" in regards to football. Johnny would throw to a spot well before Berry turned around. Berry would get there. That was long before doing such things were even thought of. Gotta love innovators.
Baltimore had some great teams. I loved those guys. Lenny Moore, Carr, Bubba Smith, Big Daddy, Mike Curtis, Ameche, Matte, Mackey, Donovan, Marchetti, Jim Parker, etc.......
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Johnny U and Berry were a beautiful thing to behold. They actually were an off-shoot to the success that Otto and Lavelli had here in Cleveland. They picked up on the latter's success and rolled w/it.
I remember reading how Johnny U and Berry would go out before practice and stay after practice every day to work on timing. LOL.........I guess they were the first to understand the word "anticipation" in regards to football. Johnny would throw to a spot well before Berry turned around. Berry would get there. That was long before doing such things were even thought of. Gotta love innovators.
Baltimore had some great teams. I loved those guys. Lenny Moore, Carr, Bubba Smith, Big Daddy, Mike Curtis, Ameche, Matte, Mackey, Donovan, Marchetti, Jim Parker, etc....... jimmy orr too
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Good one. I said Carr. I meant Orr. I should not have been so lazy and not done it from memory. Thanks for the correction.
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From then till now covers one heck of a lot of football.
From the defensive side the guy that I went out of my way to watch was Butkus. Even though the Bears were horrible when Butkus played there he was a show all by himself.
Football has changed so much since then. Butkus just destroyed people. He was a human wreaking ball. It was so sad to see him hobble at the end. All the cheap shots at his legs ruined him. In his prime there was no one better.
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With a name like Dick Butkus, you better be tough. LOL
But man, he was brutal. Guys were so afraid of him. He tried to kill guys on the field. A guy like him would hate today's version of football.
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With a name like Dick Butkus, you better be tough. LOL
But man, he was brutal. Guys were so afraid of him. He tried to kill guys on the field. A guy like him would hate today's version of football. Think that's a name? There's a race car driver out there with the name Dick Trickle.
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Really.....I'll be a homer....compare Otto Graham's stats to Johnny U....I'd take Otto hands down....us old guy remember the "good old days"....most of the players of the 40s, 50s, and 60s couldn't hold the jock of today's players....they concentrated on football less than half the year....they were good in their day but that's about it.
On subject, this years QBs....I intensely dislike Goff, main reason....he's timid, ANY guy in college who asks other guys to ask about girls is WAY to timid for me....he CAN'T lead men....they'd eat him up AND he doesn't have the arm CW has.
Will be very interesting to see what this front office and coaching staff decides to do....GO Browns!!!!
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Really.....I'll be a homer....compare Otto Graham's stats to Johnny U....I'd take Otto hands down... You are being a homer. LOL
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With a name like Dick Butkus, you better be tough. LOL
But man, he was brutal. Guys were so afraid of him. He tried to kill guys on the field. A guy like him would hate today's version of football. Think that's a name? There's a race car driver out there with the name Dick Trickle. Dang good race car driver too. Was a heavy smoker had an ashtray in his car! Thank goodness he drove NASCAR instead of Indy! Hard keeping those things lit at 200mph! I met him once during a Brickyard 400 weekend...nice guy.
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I intensely dislike Goff, main reason....he's timid, ANY guy in college who asks other guys to ask about girls is WAY to timid for me I can probably think of other reasons, but him being shy around women isn't one of them
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If you looked at his tackles...as brutal as he was outside of the QB hits...his game would last in today's football. He never led with the helmet. He was so big and fast even for today's football. For me he was the Jim Brown of the Defense. Great in any era!
I am sadden as the liberal media has taken a crusade to end football and lie about the youth leagues.
Oh and they will never associate Soccer with Concussions...meanwhile its the 3rd worst sport regarding concussions. That ball is pretty hard kids practicing headers alone receive concussion. The Cleveland Clinic lists Soccer as a sport where there is Concussions. But the MEDIA will never say those words. They wish to end Football cause I guess that was everything they couldn't be!
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As much as loved old football things had to change.
It is not just concussions. If you know any ex professional players man they struggle. Football in the sixties was brutal. Late hits, head hunting, spearing, chop blocks, "defenseless receivers" (always thought a guy would get killed). It was a brawling game. Players tried to hurt each other.
Concussions were accepted. "He got his bell rung". Take a play off and get back in there.
Although nobody forces guys to play football and they get paid plenty. I am glad that they have eliminated some of the excessive violence.
The bad part is that they have gone overboard. Kickoffs used to be exciting because of guys like Cribbs. Now they have almost taken the kickoffs out of the game.
Quarterbacks: Forget about it. They should be wearing pink.
Safety is important but a balance needs to found to keep the game. Maybe equipment will get better?
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Football equipment hasn't kept up with the times as we still use the same basice helmets and shoulder pads that were used decades ago.
It going to take new leadership at all levels of football to change the present approach of putting all the blame on the way the players play the game.
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