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I think so and have mentioned it before. His team and the opponent are fairly equal in skill level, so it washes out. It's not like he plays for Ohio State and is playing against Elon every week.

QB's and kickers this applies to....the other positions not so much.

And that's why I like Wentz.

He places the ball in good spots for his receivers on the intermediate and short routes. Even the deep outs he puts the ball in spots only the receiver can get. I've noticed multiple instances he fit the ball into "NFL windows" in between linebackers in the short passing game and the ball was in a spot where only the receiver could get it.

His biggest weakness by far and away is the deep ball to the outside. He either throws it too flat or throws what looks like a fade route. To be fair: he had no speedster receivers or anyone who can "Go up and get it." But this part of his game needs coached up.

Here is how I look at it. I do think the level of competition makes evaluation more difficult. Here is an extreme example to illustrate a point but I am not trying to convince you or anyone against Wentz. Just want to give you a different perspective from which to look at this isea.

Take for an example a high school kid who has a younger brother in 5th grade. He goes in the back yard and plays designated Qb for his brother and his brothers friends. The quality level for both teams is the same. He makes some really nice pinpoint throws and looks really good.

Tomorrow he is going to try out for Qb of his high schools varsity football team. The talent level on offense and defense are the same. How is he going to do?

Exactly. NFL QBs talk about the jump from College to NFL. Throwing to tighter windows, having to worry about telegraphing passes and such.

All can be said are the same things in the jump from D1AA to D1A Football as well.


There are plenty of QBs that fail because they can't handle NFL Defenses. Wouldn't that also be a possible case for D1AA to D1A? I mean, playing South Dakota is a big difference than playing Ohio State. It just is

Just wrapped up some highlight videos of this kid since there's been some buzz.

Truthfully, and I'm sure it's been hammered already here, the only seemingly downfall was he played in the FCS. Obviously he can make all the throws and looks good behind center footwork and etc wise. His scrambling is also notable. Can't really find anything negative attitude/personality wise, everyone says he's a real legit leader.

This is a kid I'm going to keep an ear and eye on as we inch closer to the draft.

The Road

Interesting video on Carson. Combined with Hue's interview where he talked about dealing with adversity, I think Wentz could be the target at 2, if he's there. Still a long way to go till the Draft, though.

If he's there? If he's not there then that means the Titans took him, which is not going to happen.. or somebody thought SOOOOO highly of him that they traded away a crap load of picks to move into #1... and I don't think he has warranted that kind of a commitment from anybody, do you?

plus, Hue has a thing for redheads.

Wentz will kidnap Haslam and hide him in a North Korean prison?

I wonder if Wentz would last to the 6th (right before SF) and if Baltimore would trade up for Bosa?

I didn't see it mentioned, but if they like Goff, the smartest thing to do is to make other teams think they like Wentz.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2016/1/2...lls-doug-whaley

2016 NFL Draft: Carson Wentz draws serious interest from Buffalo Bills
By Brian Galliford  @BrianGalliford on Jan 29, 2016, 6:30a 154

Carson Wentz is the hottest name at the Senior Bowl this week, and the Buffalo Bills have been hot on his trail all year, according to his North Dakota State quarterbacks coach.

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If you've been paying even a light amount of attention to Senior Bowl practices this week, you know that the player generating more hype than any other is quarterback Carson Wentz of North Dakota State.

A two-year starter for the Bisons, the 6'5", 233-pound Wentz enters the 2016 NFL Draft with a solid CV (63.3 percent completions, 8.4 yards per attempt, 55 total touchdowns, 14 interceptions in a pro-style offense) and the size, athleticism, and arm strength traits that make football scouts swoon.

Every team in the NFL is interested in Wentz, but you can count Doug Whaley and the Buffalo Bills among the teams that have shown the most interest throughout the 2015 football season. That according to Wentz's quarterbacks coach, Randy Hedberg, in an interview with The Buffalo News.

"I was just talking to one of our video coordinators," Hedberg told Tyler Dunne, "And I said, 'What teams would you think?' And one of the teams that was here the most was the Bills. They've been in our building quite a bit and in our practices."

The Bills have a quarterback playing in the Pro Bowl this weekend, Tyrod Taylor, and the team is already entertaining the notion of extending his contract despite Taylor's only having one year of experience as a starter. But just this week, GM Whaley has insisted that the Bills could end up taking a quarterback early this spring - and despite the optimism surrounding Taylor, most would agree that the Bills developing another quarterback is a great idea.

If Wentz can turn his Senior Bowl surge into further momentum in the pre-draft process, however, he might not last long enough for the Bills to even have the option of making him their developmental quarterback.

I guess you didn't know that Wentz also plays defense.

I am not a big Wentz fan, but I also wasn't a big Carr fan and while I think Carr is big time over rated right now, he is without question a good looking NFL QB.

Podcast on Carson Wentz:

https://soundcloud.com/the-audible/129-full-meet-carson-wentz-the-best-qb-in-the-2016-nfl-draft

You want to give Baltimore a Top 5 Defensive talent?

Worry about your own team.

Yes and No.

Accuracy is Accuracy. No difference there.

The timing with WR's is totally different. You have to make reads much, much quicker in the NFL. The windows don't stay open as long either.

The other thing is that the pass rushers are in your face much faster.

Notice that the comment about his dropback was "slow". He had that kind of time at NDS. He won't have it in the NFL.

Probably about the same as long as he wasn't lob tossing and limiting his throws, and the 5th graders could provide adequate rush and could run about the same speed and were about as strong and tall to provide a intimidation factor of some sort..

I have been reading/watching/listening to more things about Carson Wentz. I think I would be fine with taking either him or Goff with the second pick.

All I know is I'm much more confident and comfortable with Jacksons evaluation of the QB's than I could have been with past regimes.

They are both pretty close and Lynch would be right there too if not for Bowl Game.

I would prefer an offense that fits Wentz more than one that fits Goff personally, but I'm sure others would prefer the opposite.

j/c:

I promised I would look at Wentz and here is what I saw [for those of you who have respected my qb evaluations over the years:]

I saw the positives that some of you listed and I won't rehash them.

I have two major concerns w/the guy:

1. He holds the ball way too long. His reads are very slow. This will lead to a lot of sacks and/or fumbles.

2. Stares at his receivers. Doesn't throw w/good anticipation. Probably will throw a lot of picks at the next level.

That's the biggest thing is that he is just used to that small school speed. His drop back is slow. I don't think he stares guys down as much as his read progression is slow. Both things mean he is going to hold the ball too long unless you can speed it up.

Yeah...........I have only researched him for the past day or so. Slow delivery for sure. The speed of NFL defensive backs could make that a huge no-no.

All QB's have to adjust to NFL speed, it's just more of an adjustment with him.

You gotta get a QB coach right behind him with a stopwatch on those drops shouting out dropback times. Don't even let him throw it until he gets that part down.

Once he has that, They have VR headsets now that can simulate his reads and sound off tones in each step of his progression. Once he gets that down you put the two things together.

Not easy and it's thousands of reps, but if he works hard I think he could fix it in a training camp.

The bottom line is that if you want a QB, you had better get one quick,

Wentz is getting the most press right now, because others did not show up at the Senior Bowl. Obviously some can't because it is the senior bowl, but he is the shiny toy right now.

He wont last past Houston, and will probably go top 10. It is the NFL, a game that is based on the QB.

Flacco and Ben proved that if you have the talent, you can play.

Yeah............I agree.

Now, you can take this as you so desire, but as a former scout....I certainly identified strengths, but I really focused on a guy's weaknesses. Some can be overcome. Some can prove to be extremely challenging. And others are like a kiss of death.

I used to argue w/the guys on this board about Weeden. He had two kiss of death weaknesses. BQ had one. They were long-shots from the beginning in my mind.

Wentz.........the two weaknesses I observed [and granted it is a limited study] are going to be very hard to overcome. Not kiss of death........but I would not draft him w/the second overall pick.

You kinda have to focus on the bad stuff. Actually study might be the best word. I would prefer taking him at #10 than #2 but we don't have #10. If we take him, I'm okay because I don't see much else that's wrong. I think he physically has no issues speeding up and it's just more mentally getting used to it. If we don't take him, I'm okay too. There are guys that I like later on the list.

Playing at a smaller school and being the big physically more powerful kid and also being faster that those on the d side has given the kid some bad habbits. I have seen his 3 step drop be alarming quick but I have seen it look like a weeden 5 step as well. Its lazy because he hasnt had that big 10 or SEC pass rush coming at him.

His hip swing and waist bend is where he really loses a lot of time. Its rare to see that an issue with release. Its not like he has a long wind up but for a guy that has a decent release and pretty good feet, he does have bad hips.

He needs coached up. I really think its that simple. Again, where is his value? i see all of these guys in that late firt to mid 2nd range in value.

Goff i do see as a higher value for certain teams. I think he has a lot less value in a Hue Jackson offense as opposed to what we will see in Philly, Dallas and the 49ers. Hue likes the big arm.

Bottom line when you are taking a QB at 2. This is the kid you want running your offense for the next 10 plus. This is not a somone you hope you can develop into a starter. There is no one in this draft that says he is a gonna come in and run the show for the next 10 plus. all the top QBs in this draft are someone you hope u can develop.

I think you are confusing scouting vs coaching.