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Understood, Purp, but knowing that he doesn't check all the boxes, he likely would not be considered a Top 10 pick in the draft. So, where/when do you select him? That's a tough question, maybe impossible to answer...

Tab's opinion on Goff is very similar to my read. He is a good QB between the hashes but he is really bad outside the hashes. Its not that he doesnt have the arm for the throw but he can muscle it out there just doesnt have any accuracy when he does throw it. this was the reason Quinn went from a guy being projected top 5 to falling to the end of the first.

I also dont see wentz as a top 10 guy. I cant take a guy from such a small school that high when again, I have issues with his accuracy, the time it takes him from drop to pop and that long lean backwards.

I think Lynch has the best arm. Faced some tough n competition with the least amount of team support. He is mobile but I dont like all the screens he threw, similar to the scheme Carr ran. He needs class room work. He is the guys that has the tools to work with.

Will any of these QBs go top 10 in this years draft? Right now NO. I think Wentz got himself intot hat 2nd wave of prospects which is great for him. the private workouts, interviews, combines will decide but right now, I have Lynch as my top guy. Wentz and Goff are pretty even type of offense you have would make the standings. Cook is the guy everyone forgets about but he has some tools as well. Anyway this appears to be more of the EJ Manual type draft.

All 3 of them could.. at least two probably will.

Hey............I answered your "serious question" on the Conner Cook thread. Did you read my response?

If that's where you're picking, and you don't think you can get him at your next pick, then you take him where you're at.

You can gamble with trying to trade down to increase the perceived value of your pick, but that's exactly what it is: a gamble; you simply grant everyone else that many opportunities to trade up ahead of you (for a lower price) to get the guy you're wanting.



So, if you like the guy, you take him.

The untouchable Andrew Luck is about the only guy in recent memory that has checked all of the boxes.. yet almost every year 2 or 3 QBs seem to go in the top 10... this year will be no different. Teams will take the risk on the QB and if you try to get cute and pick up an extra second by trading back a few spots, you run the risk of missing the guy you want.

My thoughts on the QB are quite simple, maybe overly simple.. but if you have a high level of comfort that he's the guy, then take him at #1 or #2 or #5, where ever it is you draft.. if you aren't confident enough to take him at #2, then taking him at #12 is stupid.

ok, so educate me on this.... can he make all the throws needed?

Are his only downsides his physical stature/muscle mass and his level of competition?

He has a Cannon for an arm.

His got good size and muscle mass. No minuses there.

His competition level and mental speed are the minuses.

Is his mental speed proven slow or just untested by the speed of the NFL? I've read posters saying he is slow, but is that because he hasn't needed to be faster or is he incapable of being faster?

and he reportedly just impressed the snot out of everyone with his X's & O's knowledge, so I think competition level is the only significant negative there. Recognition speed will improve with time and experience/repetitions.

Looks like we have a QB.

I understand that there are several of you who get upset if we all don't ga-ga over a qb prospect in this draft, but for the life of me........I can't figure out what you are saying here.

Are you saying his post-snap reads are slow because he can afford to make slow reads? Or, did I misinterpret your intent?

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His mental speed is most likely because of his competition level. That means it is fixable. Can he fix it quickly, I do not know. It usually takes a lot of reps to fix. It needs to be fixed before he starts though because that can get him killed if it isn't fixed and you put him out there.

Do you see the question mark at the end of my sentence? It was an honest question.

What did I ever do to you? I've been on this board for about a year now, and this is the third or forth time you have taken a scolding or condescending tone toward one of my posts. You once even accused me of thinking I'm smarter than you. I still don't know where that came from. I have disagreed with you, but I don't ever recall addressing you as anything but an equal. Recently you lumped me in with a group you mockingly called experts because we were discussing QBs you don't think well of. For the record, I'm not a football expert. I have never claimed to be a football expert. I just like talking about football. And because it seems obvious to me that the Browns are going to draft one of these QBs (whether you like it or not) I am asking questions of those who know more about the subject than I do.

Mine was also an honest question. I was having a hard time figuring out what you were saying. I wasn't trashing you. I actually like your posts. Relax, man.

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More evidence......

Right now I like Wentz and see the rest as equal. So my plan is to take him first, but if he is gone, I say take Bosa and grab the best QB in round 2.
I may be wrong, I may change my mind, I may be an idiot. But I'm better than Ray Farmer!

Why is the second round the right place to take a QB?

Go somewhere else.

NFL Executive Says He Wouldn't Take Carson Wentz In Round 1
NFL.com's Lance Zierlein spoke with two NFL executives and neither were very impressed with North Dakota State QB Carson Wentz.

"One said 'Boy, that North Dakota State kid is way overrated,'" Zierlein reported on his podcast. "And the other one texted me and said 'After watching him for a full week, there is no way I would draft Carson Wentz in the first round. Now, by most media accounts, the draft media, Carson Wentz did just fine. A lot of people called him a winner of draft day. Depends on what you're looking for. But that's an example of how people can see these prospects very, very differently."

Following a strong Senior Bowl showing, it seemed like Wentz had locked up his first round draft status. That's likely still the case, as the two executives seem to be in the minority regarding Wentz.

http://www.chatsports.com/nfl/a/latest-n...-and-more-26447

I just do not see a QB worth a top five or top ten pick in this draft...jmo.

I think the fact that the top guys get so many different reviews and keep passing/falling behind one another tells you all you need to know about the top of this draft class.

Blah....

couldn't agree more. best player available might be a better approach.

After watching his tape and knowing JFF is gone, I think he might be the best QB prospect in this draft. Still don't know if I would take him at #2, but think he would be a steal at the top of the second round if he slides.

Arm strength comparison.

http://www.phillyvoice.com/detailed-comparison-carson-wentz-jared-goff-and-paxton-lynch/

The author states that Wentz clearly has a stronger arm than Lynch or Goff. I disagree. Goff clearly has the weakest of the 3 but Lynch and Wentz are close. I give the edge to Lynch.

The author uses a stopwatch to time their throws then admits that Lynch 's throw covered the most distance then fails to take that into consideration.

Might as well grab him. Train him sooner. I want to put the QB thang to rest for awhile.

Manzeil-itis. Just worn out. I prefer Bosa. Grab him and trade up for a QB. Or try 1-2.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I remember being dubious about Blake Bortles when he was in the same role Wentz is in now, the small school guy shooting up the board. I like Wentz much better at this point and Bortles looks like the real deal.
I am just not into Goff, he seems like a weak-armed game manager type. Lynch seems like more of a project. Any of the guys being pushed in mid to late rounds, I just don't see them making it. If we're going QB, we should go Wentz, and that means at No. 2.

After the Browns pick at #2, I think 3 QBs will be picked before pick #14. Possibilities are Dallas at #4, Niners at #7, Bears at #11, Saints at #12, and Eagles at #13. Most likely: Dallas, SF, and Philly. In other words, IMO, we can't trade down past #9 if we want Goff, Wentz, or Lynch. If we want the best available QB, we have to sit at #2 and take our best shot. If its Goff they want, and he turns out to be the dreaded "game manager" - the comparison I hear the most is Alex Smith - well then, I'll learn to be happy with Alex Smith, because that's miles better than what we've watched for a long time. I'll take perennial playoff contender, if that's the best we can do. We have to stop "hating the good in the absence of the perfect". An Andrew Luck only comes around every now and then - we need a QB now.

Speaking only for myself:

I am not hating the good. I am not liking the bad. I am not looking for an Andrew Luck, but it would be nice to see a Bortles, a Carr, a Bridgewater, a Jimmy G. We need a GOOD QB, not just any QB.

You don't fix a mistake by making another mistake.

Vers,

One of the knocks on Wentz is that he doesn't process things mentally quickly enough, but he played against slow competition. He didn't need to make the split second decisions, and so one of the things teams have to project is whether or not he will be able to speed up his decision making once he gets to the NFL.