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You know what, beast? I defended JFF a lot (Jan. 3 was straw that broke the camel's back for me), and while I think the idea of keeping him to see if we get a puck has some merit, I think the Browns would be better off cutting him. Get all the headaches and drama over with. Exactly. Getting a conditional 7th round pick is not worth all of the rest that comes with his continuing presence on the team. Frankly, I wonder if even Jerry Jones would be interested in Manziel at this point.
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You know what, beast? I defended JFF a lot (Jan. 3 was straw that broke the camel's back for me), and while I think the idea of keeping him to see if we get a puck has some merit, I think the Browns would be better off cutting him. Get all the headaches and drama over with. Exactly. Getting a conditional 7th round pick is not worth all of the rest that comes with his continuing presence on the team. Frankly, I wonder if even Jerry Jones would be interested in Manziel at this point. Best choice and most likely for both sides is cutting ties. Who cares striving for the remote chance at a 7th rounder, conditional for trading him? Enough is enough. At his pace, keeping him here for another month until March when we can really shop/trade him doesn't seem worth it. Downward spiral. Feb 8th, that very morning we should be reading about the Browns splitting ways. I really hope so anyway. All this domestic abuse stuff and just everything that surrounds him, we may be asking for the sky even in the hopes of a conditional 7th rounder. All JMO
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McCown can't stay healthy. Never could.
Hue won't be going with McCown as the starter in 2016...Mark it down.
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If the new FO wants to send a message to guys like Mack (and other potential FAs) that they are serious about trying to build some credibility and put a winning product on/off the field, JFF gets his walking papers next Monday. Simple as that.
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Baltimore was going to sit Flacco, the only reason he started was because Troy Smith got the flu right before the season started.
Those QBs that have started from day one will do so because.
a. he beat out the veteran in place.
b. the depth chart gut cut short due to injuries.
There is no plan out there that will state - lets coach him up and get him out there game 6, 12 as a plan.
The plan is to coach him up. Have him learn as much as possible and build a foundation and then build on that. Improving working on all aspects watching film with McCown understanding how a game plan is put into place week after week with different opponents. See how the veteran executes. The Vet (McCown) is no stud so he will make mistakes...learn from his mistakes.
What a coach would hopes happen is "IMPROVEMENT" all of a sudden it starts to come together and guess what.
At some point it could be 6 games it could be 1 season...at some point he is maybe not perfected yet in his learning but he is starting to get it now its time to get it onto the field of play. Where even if he makes mistakes the process of the game is slowing down starts to occur...not the falling back into old habits. Which unfortunately is the case more so than not if you throw him so to say into the fire from day one.
Maybe a Goff is more likely to be a ready to play guy...probably Cook out of anyone. But that is not a reason to take a QB in the TOP 5. Its who will be the better QB 3 years down the road.
McCown has proven to be the perfect mentor for a rookie QB If McCown starts so be it. Temporary or an entire season. That will be up to the entire staff and the QB drafted.
If Manziel gets back on track and PROVES it to HUE then there is a good chance he would start over McCown under that premise of executing the offense, score touchdowns, minimal mistakes and win games!
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I think Johnny will be out of football before the end of training camp. I had hope for him, but he is a mess. His missing treatments and lying to the team will be weighed heavily by GMs around the league. In two years he has burned way too many bridges. If anything, teams will wait until he is cut, if anybody has any ideas about trying him out. The kid is in the same class as Leaf and Linert. What a waste of talent.
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I put Manziel on uninjured reserves, I dont release him. I still draft a QB however.
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I put Manziel on uninjured reserves, I dont release him. I still draft a QB however. What is uninjured reserves?
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I put Manziel on uninjured reserves, I dont release him. I still draft a QB however. What is uninjured reserves? Swaddling.
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Its the non football injury list, uninjured reserves just kinda a the nick name given around the league. Guys that get hurt off the field or have umm other issues.
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Its the non football injury list, uninjured reserves just kinda a the nick name given around the league. Guys that get hurt off the field or have umm other issues. Doesn't it have to be an official thing? It seems like Manziel would fight this. I don't get why we are even having this discussion. He is getting cut.
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Yea i expect him to be released as soon as we are able to do so. I wouldnt do it as he is already being paid by us anyway. If he doesnt want to play for why reward him by allowing him to go somewhere else.
This is why i hate guaranteed contracts. If you act like a total ass, you still get your money.
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He has guarantees, but so what. You add by subtraction, and pay what you would have to pay anyway.
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I don't get why we are even having this discussion. He is getting cut.
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Yea i expect him to be released as soon as we are able to do so. I wouldnt do it as he is already being paid by us anyway. If he doesnt want to play for why reward him by allowing him to go somewhere else.
This is why i hate guaranteed contracts. If you act like a total ass, you still get your money. It's a sunk cost. Being publicly fired from your job is not a reward.
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2 questions?
1. Has something happened over the last week that I missed regarding Manziel?
2. Has Hue and Manziel met yet?
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2 questions?
1. Has something happened over the last week that I missed regarding Manziel?
2. Has Hue and Manziel met yet?
jmh? Did you know about the incident in Texas last week with his girlfriend or ex Girlfriend? I don't know much about it. Just a dust up of sorts I guess. Police investigated. As for him and Hue talking, I have no idea. haven't seen a word about it.
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I wonder if last weekend was rock bottom for Johnny.....
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I wonder if last weekend was rock bottom for Johnny..... I don't think he has hit rock bottom yet. I'm not sure if rock bottom won't be about 5-10 years from now when he starts seeing his name on "bust" lists that come out and some guy from ESPN the Magazine calls him and wants to do a "where are they now" piece about him... maybe then it will sink it what he had the chance to become and how he squandered it. I hope not, I hope he gets it turned around...
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I just wish, for his sake, to see a report where he reached out to the Browns, admits he needs more help and makes it happen. He has to know the train wreck his life has become, and the opportunity he is throwing away. He can't be THAT stupid.
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Browns coach Hue Jackson disappointed about latest Johnny Manziel incident Browns coach Hue Jackson expressed disappointment in the latest off-the-field episode involving Johnny Manziel, but said he is still in the process of evaluating the quarterback and his future with the team. Police in Dallas and Fort Worth, TX, have said in separate statements distributed to media that they are investigating an alleged altercation over the weekend between Manziel and his ex-girlfriend that resulted in a call to police. Fort Worth police used a helicopter to track down Manziel after the female told police she was worried about Manziel’s well-being. The widely reported incident was the latest of numerous off-the-field embarrassments for Manziel and the Browns since he joined them as a first-round draft pick in 2014. But it was the first since Jackson was hired as coach. Jackson made his first public comments on the incident on Tuesday’s “Hey Tony” show on ESPN Cleveland. Jackson said, “My general reaction would be disappointment. As I’ve said many times, I would like for the Cleveland Browns players to conduct themselves in a manner that represents the organization well. Obviously, that reflected differently on what we want to have happen. Obviously, it’s a process that we’re going through and we’ll continue to go through it.” Since Jackson was introduced as Browns coach on Jan. 13, he has said that Manziel’s future position on the roster would be decided after he had been evaluated as a player off the team’s game video in 2015. Jackson said on ESPN Cleveland that he has begun to evaluate “all of our players,” but he was not ready to make a decision on Manziel. “I think I’m getting more and more where I need to be as far as our team, exactly who they are,” Jackson said. “Obviously, as I’ve said from Day One, I’m going to continue to evaluate Johnny, just as I would any member of this football team. Obviously, there’s other circumstances that you also have to evaluate when you’re considering putting everything in the pot to make decisions as you move forward. “But again, he’s no different than any other player. We’re going to continue to evaluate him as a football player and as a member of this football team.” NFL team rosters are frozen until Feb. 8, the day after the Super Bowl, when players can be waived or released. Other dates to consider: March 9 is when teams can begin to sign free agents and make trades, and April 4 is when the Browns will reconvene as a team for the first time for the opening of Jackson’s offseason conditioning program. http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland//post/...anziel-incident
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JMO. JM has worn his welcome out here. He is not dependable and you can't have that as your future qb. I feel we will cut him and draft a qb with our 1st pick. Too bad because I wanted to see the kid do well here.
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Hue sounds like a coach, in that he abuses the heck out of the word "Obviously." I think all coaches do that.
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He uses "process" a lot too. Clearly that's frowned upon around here.
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LOL..........that reminds me of "most definitely," which is a phrase used by so many players.
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From what (incomplete) information we have to date, yes he can be that stupid. And it's a shame what he, seemingly, is throwing away...
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Cops had trouble finding him because he has already proven to be a master of disguise.
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I put Manziel on uninjured reserves, I dont release him. I still draft a QB however. Great, so he can be even less helpful/of use to the team yet still linger around being a distraction and dragging the entire city down in the process? Yeah, I'd still vote you cut him February 8th and get the monkey off your back. All JMO
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j/c: From the desk of Sashi Brown: "We've been clear about expectations for our players on and off the field. Johnny's continual involvement in incidents that run counter to those expectations undermines the hard work of his teammates and the reputation of our organization. His status with our team will be addressed when permitted by league rules. We will have no further comment at this time." 
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That sounds like a guy who is committed to Manziel.
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His status with our team will be addressed when permitted by league rules "I cant wait to cut this guy"
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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His status with our team will be addressed when permitted by league rules "I cant wait to cut this guy" As soon as Hue Jackson took over as #Browns coach, Johnny Manziel's future with the team was sealed. This statement makes it clearer.
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His status with our team will be addressed when permitted by league rules "I cant wait to cut this guy" It does sound ominous...
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We can only pray it to be true. Hue can't burn his second and maybe last coaching shot wondering if JF is passed out in a ditch GameDay morning.
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I think the worst part about this, and this is my opinion obviously.. is that Manziel isnt one of these QBs we "took a chance on" in the 3rd round (Frye, McCoy)
Or even one of those guys that shouldn't have been taken so early (Weeden) Or a guy who just ended up not being NFL caliber (Quinn)
He just.. doesnt care. He has the talent (again, IMO) to be an NFL starting QB.. and its not like he's having "trouble" learning the job..
He hasn't even tried.
Its depressing.
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Excellent. Good to see the Browns acting like a professional football organization.
Like, I've said previously, he's gone on Feb. 8th unless league rules prohibit the Browns from releasing him while under investigation.
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I think many are speculating the beginning of the new league year, which is in March.
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Personally, I'll be very surprised if they wait that long.
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I just ready they'd keep him until March due to salary cap implications. Seems reasonable.
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Actually the cap changes in March, the new league year is the day after the Super Bowl according to ESPN
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