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I was trying to help state Soup's point..
Not a wise idea in pretty much any conversation on here....
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The more I think about it...the more I don't think that dog fighting is that bad. First off: they are dogs---bred to be fighting dogs, trained to be fighting dogs----these aren't the kind of dogs built for fun time at home with the kids---these are dogs made to be tough--and have that killer instinct. I would think that the voyeurism that compels many to watch UFC or download the many streetfights that you can find on the net comes into play here. Heres a fun little idea. We train police dogs and bomb sniffing dogs to put their lives on the line for the benefit of some of us......Why can't we fight dogs for the benefit of some of us?I'm gonna go buy myself a Mike Vick Jersey---to go with my Barry Bonds Jersey, Pacman Jones jersey and John Rocker throwback. 
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Was wondering when you would chime in. The fact that these dogs are starved, have horrible scars, and almost die, and eventually die because of dog fighting is a benefit to the dogs and us?? 
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While champion--a dog is treated well---studded out---continues contributing its genetic material to future generations. Also, I have to say---I would bet very few of us really understand the intricacy's of dog-fighting. I would bet that while in some circles it is an extremely cruel and vicious thing. But I would also bet--that more humane varieties exist. In other words. i don't think that every dog fighting circuit practices the savagery some of the smaller, poorer places do. You tend to only here about how low a sport can stoop in the media without seeing the ways in which the sport rises above its stigmatized image.
People involved are able to make money---enjoy entertainment---satisfy their bloodlust--without the injury of another huiman being.
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One thing I have never really quite understood is the neglect of the dogs. Now I am not condoning dog fighting in anyway but if I was into that and rasing dogs for that purpose wouldnt common sense say to take care of my dogs so that they could be better fighters. I mean it makes sense that for whatever purpose you are using your dogs for that you would want them well fed and taken care of so they could do their job to the best of their abilitys.
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I often wondered that also. Stands to reason that a healthy dog would be a strong dog thus able to fight better. Why have weak ,sick, injured dogs ? Just shoot them and get new ones right ? Doesn't make sense to me.
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Heres a fun little idea. We train police dogs and bomb sniffing dogs to put their lives on the line for the benefit of some of us......Why can't we fight dogs for the benefit of some of us?
Man, you are waaay out there bro. The argument you'll get is that we train these dogs to save human lives, a noble cause ( unless of course you happen to be the dog ) and fighting would have them give their lives solely for our entertainment which to some people is distasteful . I see your point in a round about way but all things are not nor should they be compared equally. JMO.
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He has been way out there since he started posting on this board, so his stand on dog fighting is no suprise.
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When you can ask a young Pit Bull if he WANTS to be a fighter and he can tell you yes get back to me.
Of course he does, he will do anything to please you. The same way a stray young man taken in by a trainer will. The only difference is one says yes and one barks and wags his tail for the attention. You have dogs, you know exactly what Im talking about. I saw you managed to threaten me with your friends big Mean dogs. So we all know you know, its obvious with breeds like that. For the rest of it take your panties out of the bunch they are in. No one is condoning it, supporting it or whatever with it. Methinks thou dost protest too much.
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The more I think about it...the more I don't think that dog fighting is that bad.
At this juncture,I feel it may be in your best interest to stop thinking if that's the way your brain operates when it IS thinking.
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First off: they are dogs---bred to be fighting dogs, trained to be fighting dogs----these aren't the kind of dogs built for fun time at home with the kids---these are dogs made to be tough--and have that killer instinct.
Wrong AGAIN! They're TRAINED to fight! This breed did NOT come about and refined TO fight! It WAS bred for cornering and attacking Wild Boar. To help butchers with stubborn bulls. To help HUMANS handle large animals. Not fighting. That "evolved" from human greed and their tendancies to be sadistic.
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Heres a fun little idea. We train police dogs and bomb sniffing dogs to put their lives on the line for the benefit of some of us......Why can't we fight dogs for the benefit of some of us?
Because KILLING dogs doesn't "benifit" anyone.
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I'm gonna go buy myself a Mike Vick Jersey---to go with my Barry Bonds Jersey, Pacman Jones jersey and John Rocker throwback.
Sounds like it would fit you well.
You know WHY people fight dogs???????
1. Financial gain.
2. Living vicariously through animals. Can't "man up" to fight to the death themselves,so they use dogs to do it for them. Not very "manly" huh? But get your Vick jersey today Derden!
Here's WHAT the breed was "bred for" and what kind of "pets" they make so you MIGHT have SOME CLUE as to what you're posting NEXT time.Once coming to America,this breed was considered a VERY hard working dog and one that was VERY friendly!.............................
When English immigrants came to America, their dogs came with them. Not surprisingly, dog fighting was common in America throughout the 19th century. However, as the immigrants traveled west, the pit bull took on a broader and more humane function. On the frontier, pit bulls assumed the role of an all-purpose dog. In addition to herding cattle and sheep they served as faithful guardians, protecting families and livestock from the ever-present threat of thieves and wild animals.
Despite their gallant history, pit bulls faced an uphill battle in gaining official recognition. The American Kennel Club was formed in 1884 for the sole purpose of promoting the interests of purebred dogs and their owners. To accomplish this, they sponsored events designed to test various breeds in the areas of performance and conformation.
Conformation events judge the dogs according to the breed standard - a pre-established set of guidelines that describe the most-highly valued physical characteristics of each breed. Performance events, on the other hand, test the dogs according to the function for which they were bred. Some of the more common performance categories include the working, sporting, and herding categories.
The performance events created an immediate problem for the pit bull since the function for which they were bred - fighting - was illegal. Furthermore, the AKC understandably refused to remotely endorse anything related to dog fighting.
In response to the AKC's unwillingness to include pit bulls as a bonafide breed, in 1898 an alternative group was formed - the UKC (United Kennel Club). The purpose of the UKC was to certify breeds that were not eligible for certification by the AKC. Not surprisingly, the UKC's charter member was the American Pit Bull Terrier.
Ultimately the AKC did recognize the pit bull in 1936, albeit under the designation of the Staffordshire Terrier, named after the region of England where the crossbreeding of bulldogs and terriers is thought to have begun. Today, the AKC continues to include the American Staffordshire Terrier in its registry, although ironically this has now developed into a breed that is distinct from its American Pit Bull Terrier cousin.
Over the years, the American Pit Bull Terrier has been a beloved symbol of Americana. In World War I, a pit bull named Stubby captured the heart of the nation. Stubby was the unofficial mascot of the 102nd Infantry Division and was credited with saving the lives of several of his human comrades. For his valiant service, Stubby won several medals and was even awarded the rank of sergeant! He came home from the war to a hero's welcome and went on to become the mascot for Georgetown University.
Over the years, many famous Americans have owned pit bulls. Mark Twain, Theodore Roosevelt, Laura Ingalls Wilder, Thomas Edison, Woodrow Wilson, John Steinbeck, Helen Keller, and Fred Astaire have all been proud to own dogs of this breed. The actor Ken Howard (the father on the TV show Crossing Jordan) even credits his pit bull with saving his life.
Pit bulls have crept in the hearts of Americans through a variety of ways. For years, RCA recording company looked to a pit bull as its corporate logo. Similarly, Buster Brown Shoes used a pit bull as the cornerstone of their marketing campaign.
But, perhaps the most famous pit bull was Petey, the adorable ring-eyed cutey featured on the TV show Little Rascals. In no time at all, Petey secured a place alongside Alfalfa, Spanky, and the other rascals as a national treasure. A little known fact about Petey is that his telltale ring actually changed form one eye to the next between seasons of the TV show. Although no one knows for sure why this happened, it is rumored that the original Petey was poisoned and was replaced by a look-a-like, or at least a look-a-like with markings that necessitated the eye change.
Today, the American Pit Bull Terrier is a beloved animal that is used in a variety of helping functions in society including police dogs, search dogs, therapy dogs, and farm dogs. Even so, negative publicity has led many cities to condemn them as a community problem. This perception has been supported by the prevalence of illegal dog fighting in cities and small towns across America. In recent years, gangs have taken a fancy to dog fighting and elevated the ownership of trained fighting dogs as a status symbol.
Pit bulls have born the brunt of the backlash because of their popularity with dog fighters. This has caused the public to demand legislative action against pit bulls. Yielding to the pressure of their constituents, public officials have banned pit bulls in many civil jurisdictions and others are following suit including insurance companies who reserve the right to cancel a homeowner's policy if it is learned that a pit bull resides on the premises.
The negative treatment of pit bulls in our society is unfortunate to say the least. Pit bulls and people can live harmoniously if given the chance. Training is an important consideration in pit bull ownership. The history of the breed demonstrates that unless he is properly trained and socialized at a young age, this strong-minded dog will quickly attempt to dominate the household. However, with the proper training the American Pit Bull Terrier can be a remarkably loyal and valued member of the family.
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So yes,in Europe,they were used for fighting. But after becoming "Americanized" these dogs have been herders,used as seeing eye dogs,rescue dogs,,family pets and even a WAR HERO in the group!
This breed was once a symbol as the strength and tenacity of America. But some people wish to ostercize the breed because of some criminals that abuse the breed. Get your Vick Jersey Derden. But don't be surprised if I SPIT on it when I see it. And I'll leave my damned dog at home. She won't be needed.
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I saw you managed to threaten me with your friends big Mean dogs. So we all know you know, its obvious with breeds like that.
I've never "threattened anyone" with a dog,including you. A "breed like that"? And what do you mean by that? A "strong" dog?
You can use a car to drive down the road. You can use a car to run over people.
Same car,different drivers. Same dog,different owners. Pretty simple really. I don't need a "dog" to threaten anybody. And I sure as hell didn't threaten you with one.
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A "breed like that"? And what do you mean by that?
Pretty straightforward isnt it? In the context of the thread that is. Pits, Rotts, Sheperds etc. Big dogs with big jaws. Most things arent mean on thier own, but any meat eater can be taught to fight. Just like the big mean dawgs you know who would maul me so viciously and animal like. Quote:
When you come out with 200 stitches and a few less digits on each hand,tell me how JUST LIKE BOXING it is when someone rescues you from death.......................if anyone bothers
Ive never seen or heard of dogfights that were intentionally to the death, sure many have died from their injuries and from neglect on top of the fighting. And of courst its brutal and disgusting, but that doesnt mean you shouldnt see all the angles of it. although I do think dog vs dog fighting is horrible wether their is neglect or not. Boxing is horrible to, ever watch Mohammed do an interview. Do you find it pleasnt when he drools over himself, to me watching the brain dead old boxers is worse. How about 35 year old lineman who can no longer walk, how about players with spines snapped in half. Do those things not count? Or you just like to tell yourself they could have been the president instead if they wanted to.
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My comment wasn't a "threat". It was to tell you IF dog fighting is like boxing,put on a pair of gloves and go in with a vicious Pit Bull. They are NOT alike. Thus the stark difference of how you would leave a fighting dog's yard,verses how you would leave a boxing ring. And no matter HOW you try to trivialize it,humans have the power of "giving weight to matters". The power of "deductive reasoning". The power of "choice". Dogs do not. No matter how you twist that,those facts do not change. It's not like dog fighters pick up a Pit puppy and say,"Would you like to be a family dog and play with kids and have a nice yard? Or would you rather risk your life fighting your own kind and making me rich while being tied to a fence post most of your life on a chain?" No,they don't have a "choice". And if they did,they don't have the power of "deductive reasoning" to make a choice. No matter how you slice it. Man decides to make "cruel choices" for them. Now you just keep twisting that any way you want to. Dogs don't "have a choice". But WE DO! And I choose to call the cops on ANYONE who I find out is fighting these dogs! And I plan to excercise that choice. If you have a problem with boxing,football,UFC,then contact your legislature. Maybe they'll make those activities a felony offense as well. But I doubt it. Man can choose. Dogs can't. Thus the law. Most people consider that "common sense". But there's a minority that don't.
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But WE DO! And I choose to call the cops on ANYONE who I find out is fighting these dogs! And I plan to excercise that choice.
You are hilarious, you might want to consider reporting those vicious man eaters your friends have. Why are they so vicious unless they are being trained to fight and maim people whos viewpoint you dont like.
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you might call something common sense, I would call it hypocritical fantasy land used to make you feel better about one form of violence over another. Especially considering your close acquaintence with vicious dogs and your thoughts of turning them on people.
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But WE DO! And I choose to call the cops on ANYONE who I find out is fighting these dogs! And I plan to excercise that choice.
You are hilarious, you might want to consider reporting those vicious man eaters your friends have. Why are they so vicious unless they are being trained to fight and maim people whos viewpoint you dont like.
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Most people consider that "common sense". But there's a minority that don't.
you might call something common sense, I would call it hypocritical fantasy land used to make you feel better about one form of violence over another. Especially considering your close acquaintence with vicious dogs and your thoughts of turning them on people.
Having a dog trained to fight in a pit with other dogs is a little different than having a dog trained to protect a household, which is how i read Pit to be meaning. Dogs will often become vicious towards people they deem a threat the their owners or the household, trained or not. That is completely different than TRAINING a dog to fight another dog in an enclosed area for simple sport and amusement.
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you might want to consider reporting those vicious man eaters your friends have. Why are they so vicious unless they are being trained to fight and maim people whos viewpoint you dont like.
My cousin owns a junk yard on the west side of Dayton. He turns them out in the lot at night to protect against thieves. During the day? They're peacefull as can be. Is there a law against gaurd dogs now I was unaware of?
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Especially considering your close acquaintence with vicious dogs and your thoughts of turning them on people.
Here is the quote you keep so wrongly characterizing.......................
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I know a few people who have MEAN one's. If you think it's the same as boxing? Step into THEIR yard! When you come out with 200 stitches and a few less digits on each hand,tell me how JUST LIKE BOXING it is when someone rescues you from death.......................if anyone bothers.................
Now can you explain how WARNING someone the dogs are vicious and giving them a CHOICE of wheather they wish to "step into THEIR yard" is "turning a dog on you"????
Let's try this....................................................
"Those dogs are mean. They'll tear you apart. This isn't boxing. If you think it is,go in there and see!"
So you in turn CHOOSE to go in there ANYWAY! Then you accuse the one who TOLD you it would happen of "turning their dogs on you"?
Man you ARE out there in left field!
Do you have comprehension issues? Because when a guy warns you that an animal is mean? When a man WARNS you what will happen if you DO IT ANYWAY? Then YOU DO IT? And you blame HIM for it? Jeesh. Oh yeah,that makes sense!
A man "makes choices" for himself. A dog can't. It's that simple.
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I'm gonna go buy myself a Mike Vick Jersey---to go with my Barry Bonds Jersey, Pacman Jones jersey and John Rocker throwback.
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Warrant to search former Vick property rejected 06:07 PM EDT on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 Reported by: Patrick Terpstra 13News has learned that Surry County Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald Poindexter and the sheriff's office have rejected a warrant to look for remains of pit bull dogs on the Surry County property that used to be owned by Michael Vick. Poindexter says he and the sheriff "did not like the language" of the search warrant approved by a state magistrate. So they will not go forward with the search, which was requested by a sheriff's office investigator. A sheriff's office investigator tells 13News that there are no plans to re-apply for a warrant to search the property; that they may have enough evidence to go forward with charges. According to the now null and void search warrant, an informant told authorities that seven dogs were destroyed and buried on the property April 23rd, two days before Surry County initially raided the property on Moonlight Road. It goes on to say as many as 30 dog carcasses might be buried on the property. So far, investigators have not said if the search is complete or what, if anything, they found. The search warrant calls for a search of property behind the main house on Moonlight Road, not the house itself. According to the warrant, the U.S. Department of Agriculture Inspector General requested approval to go into a building on the backside of the property to pull up floor boards and wall boards looking for signs of blood. The USDA also wanted to search for items that may have been used to bury animal bodies. Police raided the rural home on April 25 during a drug investigation. 66 dogs, 55 of them pit bulls, and equipment that could be associated with dog fighting, were removed from the property. Vick has said he let his cousin, Davon Boddie, live there and that he didn't know a large kennel on the property could be involved in criminal activity. Over the weekend on ESPN's "Outside the Lines," an informant characterized by police as credible, said Vick attended a dog fight in 2000 and he called Vick "one of the heavyweights" in the sport of dog fighting. Dog fighting is a felony in Virginia. No charges have been placed in the case and the Surry County Commonwealth's Attorney has said he will not try the case in the media. Vick recently sold the property. The buyer's name hasn't been revealed. Norfolk-based People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, meantime, has sent a letter to the NFL offering animal sensitivity training for the league's players and staff. Dan Shannon, PETA's assistant director, told WVEC.com Tuesday, "We haven't received a response from the NFL, but with the long weekend and so much going on with this case, I wouldn't be surprised if it takes the NFL a little while to respond." No charges have been filed in the case yet, but Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald Poindexter has publicly said he expects this case to result in charges. Federal investigators are not saying what their involvement is in the case. http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/stories/wvec_local_052909_vick_surry_second_search.2001b7ae.html
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Not surprising.... I would not doubt that there is some greasing of wheels behind the scenes on this.
Aside from Vick being ridiculously wealthy, he is the face, name and spirit os that NFL franchise. He is the Atlanta Falcons Cash Cow. Before him, they were just another floundering bottom-dweller franchise. Since he went there, they are perrennial pretenders with lots and lots and lots of marketability. I fully expect the entire thing to be swept under the rug. It may continue to be mentioned from time to time, but nothing will come of it.
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I still think it'll haunt him for the rest of his career. I could see a sign at CBS right now if he's still in the league when we play him again...
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god, I hope not... that's just weak and overly contrived. If you really feel the need to make reference to it on a sign, do it right and just come out with some real smack, just keep it PG-13 so that it can get on TV. 
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and you would be wrong.
Could be, but I dont think so. People tend to rail the most against things that get a little to close to themselves,
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I heard something on the news this morning about how they found I believe 13 shallow grave sites on the property. I don't agree with this type of activity at all, it's pretty sad people use something like this as entertainment.
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Could be, but I dont think so. People tend to rail the most against things that get a little to close to themselves,
People also tend to rail most against things that are extremely sick, repulsive and grotesque perpetrated by demented perverts for entertainment.
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Exactly. People never cease to amaze and sicken me, including several people on this thread.
Sorry this pile is closed, no late jumpers. Im sure BPG is somewhere typing something right now waiting for your response though. At least you said several people and not just me though 
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Could be, but I dont think so. People tend to rail the most against things that get a little to close to themselves,
People also tend to rail most against things that are extremely sick, repulsive and grotesque perpetrated by demented perverts for entertainment.
You mean like the gay pride parade in Russia?
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I'm one of those that Jules speaks of........I think.
Though I happen to know that a lot of posters---in their heart of hearts---agree with me more often than they like to admit.
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Yeah, those gay pride people are savagely killing things. Nice little shot, although it was predictable and not very creative.
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I'm one of those that Jules speaks of........I think.
Though I happen to know that a lot of posters---in their heart of hearts---agree with me more often than they like to admit.
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Yeah, those gay pride people are savagely killing things. Nice little shot, although it was predictable and not very creative.
Actually it wasnt a shot at you. It was making my point. People that rail against something tend to do so out of fear of being corrupted by it(homophobia). Nearly no one fights something they simply do not like, you fight to destroy something that can corrurpt you.
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You did a bad job of it.....and I believe you about not being a shot. LOL. You are entitled to your opinion and I am certainly entitled to mine.
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I edited my response above yours to clarify a little more if that helps.
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I see all in this thread is still under control..
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