DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum What if...Hue Jackson names Josh McCown

That statement said it all. What a waste of a great talent. Leaf, Wilson, Manziel

I don't believe that to be accurate...

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You're right. I referenced March as the time when we carry over cap space to take on the remaining guaranteed money. Or this wrong as well?

I'm not saying he needs cut right now or anything. Actually, I think that would be kinda stupid to just cut him.

But Hue Jackson has to evaluate him in two ways IMO. 1, Can he actually be the leader of the Offense, does he actually have what it takes to be a successful NFL QB and 2. can we trust him to A) stay out of trouble and B) stay healthy enough to play (B) is always a tough call)

He can play like Brett Favre, but if he can't stay healthy or out of trouble, what use is he.

Or he could be Charlie Frye, stay out of trouble but can't play. Again, what use is he.

Lots of concerns swirling around that kid. Hue has got his work cut out for him.

For me, this decision would be easy (I'm on the outside looking in so take that FWIW)

I do one of two things:

A) Keep him on the team and still draft a QB.
B) Trade him for whatever I can get and Move on.

I think that's the only way I can see us operating in the best interest of the team.

Jim Donovan, WKYC, does the news at 7pm weeknights as the anchor. He took time last night to give his take on Johnny.

In a nutshell, he says we should find a way to rid the team of Manziel. He didn't say to outright cut him, but trade him.

He also said that we as fans have to get over the fear that if we get rid of him, he may be a star somewhere else. You can't worry about that, you gotta move on.

I wish I could find the video but I've not found it yet. I'm sure it will show up at some point. It was on last night so 2/1/16 was the date of the broadcast.

I assume in true Browns fashion after we cut Manziel he will eventually lead Dallas to multiple Super Bowls..

He will end up the "hero" and we will be the butt of the joke..

I think its a condition.

And in true Brown's fashion we keep Josh Gordon who will eventually be suspended again, or worse.

Here's a better explanation on why we have to wait to cut Manziel:



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...2904-sf20192904

The only place Johnny will lead a team is to the bar. Good riddance. March 9th will be an awesome day. The day Johnny go BUH BYE. Worst pick since the return.

I'm happy as hell they have announced he's GONE. I despise vermin that rough up women. I despise spoiled little brats that piss their talent down the drain because they think the league owes them something.

Now, if they will just release meathead and Dilbert we will be rid of the bad attitude gang.

I think Donovan is right about that, we can't worry about it, the thing is this, we couldn't get him to do it here. Maybe another voice can reach him. Maybe a different location will reach him.

What's to say, we keep him here and he flops over and over again.

Honestly, I don't see how he can be an NFL QB. He looks the part at times, but then he doesn't something stupid.

LOL

Yup, it could happen

Lets hope not. I'm hoping that as soon as meathead is back in the league, we cut his dumbass too. Dilbert as well. Get rid of all the bad attitudes and start fresh. I don't care what they do elsewhere. NOT worth the distractions!

Is meathead Josh Gordon?

You answered... fast

Actually, Gordon hasn't demonstrated a bad attitude at all. He has displayed horrible judgement but not an attitude and not disruptive.

Manziel on the other hand,, well, you know.

Yes he has. He let down the team with a party attitude and was suspended for a friggin year...again... and he tagged on a DUI to boot. He also displayed poor play and was a sideline disturbance in the last half of the 2014 season.

Yes. After Gordon's latest suspension I dubbed him "meathead". As in DEAD FROM THE NECK UP!

With Manziel on the outs, I'm almost more curious about what they want to do with Gilbert. Another guy with a (allegedly) bad/lazy attitude, that has the tools to do the job. The only real difference is that his bad behaviour doesn't make headlines, and his position doesn't require as much leadership.

Add: man... I didn't think we could do it, but I think we just beat the TRich/Weeden debacle with Gilbert/Manziel.

big differences. jmo

Agreed 100%. Gilbert at least played special teams too. The leadership comment though really is a nail hitter!

Earlier in the thread it said that because the Browns carried over salary cap room, they have to wait till March to cut players.

'As Cleveland Browns plot future, Josh McCown deserves to be part of it: Tom Reed'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/02/as_cleveland_browns_plot_futur.html

By Tom Reed, Cleveland.com on February 01, 2016 at 4:30 PM, updated February 01, 2016 at 4:31 PM

BEREA, Ohio – Josh McCown won only one game with the Browns last year and was better than many expected.

In some ways that's life in Cleveland, where if your quarterback isn't trapped under a giant American flag on opening day or hunted by police with a helicopter he might be worth keeping for another season. The post-1999 bar has been set low since the Steelers intercepted Tim Couch's first NFL pass.

McCown could help raise it assuming the franchise's new regime opts to keep him on the roster. The 36-year old is expected to meet with Hue Jackson this week and his future with the Browns figures to be a major topic of discussion.

Maybe Jackson wants his own veteran quarterback as another organization reboot begins. McCown, who's played for seven franchises, is aware that's a possibility. Retaining the team-first journeyman, however, would be a wise move and not only because he has two years remaining on his deal.

McCown could be the Browns' starter in September if they draft their quarterback of the future in the first round. He's also shown a genuine willingness to mentor a young signalcaller as he did in 2015 with Johnny Manziel.

"Honestly, I want to be here and see this thing get turned around," McCown told Cleveland.com Thursday at the 16th annual Cleveland Sports Awards. "As long as I'm a member of this team I'm going to do everything I can to help us win football games and move in that direction. I look at Derek Andereson in Carolina going to the Super Bowl and helping Cam Newton. I'm for whatever it takes."

McCown is ideally suited for the role of spot starter and full-time confidante. He posted a 1-6 record last season, but delivered a 93.3 passer rating – the highest for any Browns quarterback appearing in at least four games since Bernie Kosar (95.4) in 1987.

It's not to suggest McCown is anyone's idea of the future here, but he's a capable placeholder should the club need time to groom a first-round pick such as Jared Goff, Carson Wentz or Paxton Lynch.

McCown took a beating last year (concussion, ribs, broken collarbone), often holding the ball a fraction too long to give his receivers a chance to flash open. He never complained.

He cost the team a win against the Broncos and his late interception versus the Raiders was a killer. But his record was more the byproduct of a leaky defense and non-existent running game than the play of a quarterback who threw 12 touchdowns to four interceptions.

"That man is a fighter," Pro Bowl center Alex Mack said of McCown. "I respect the hell out of him."

It's also his work with the troubled Manziel that should make Jackson realize what a valuable asset he possesses.

Manziel's latest domestic incident, which included a helicopter search for his whereabouts over the weekend in suburban Dallas, almost certainly spells his end in Cleveland. His on-field improvement, though, was tied to McCown's assistance and support.

The veteran revealed Thursday night he remains in contact with Manziel. Like any good friend, he declined to give any details of their correspondence. Every quarterback preaches togetherness, yet not all carry though on their pledges in the hyper-competitive NFL, where no contracts are fully guaranteed.

Imagine the impact McCown could have on a quarterback who's committed on and off the field. He would provide Jackson some continuity and an established passer who could carry the club for short stretches.

A year ago, the decision to sign McCown was met with howls of protest based on a career 17-32 mark. He didn't provide wins, but gave the Browns a competent quarterback loaded with intangibles.

If the braintrust elects not to draft a quarterback in the first round and decides instead to dip into free agency then all bets are off. McCown could be jettisoned.

He should have a clearer idea of the organization's plans this week.

In an NFL precinct where few quarterbacks have played to expectation McCown offers the Browns a viable option. He's a winner no matter what the record reflects.

I don't think anyone wants to get rid of McCown. He proved a lot of people wrong in 2015 (me included) and seems to be a great teammate. He would be a great guy for our new QB to lean on.

Nah we gotta keep Josh. He definitely proved me wrong and exceeded all expectations.

I don't want McCown as the starter in 2016 unless he were to absolutely tear it up in training camp and decisively beat out the rookie we'll no doubt be drafting. I like McCown, but Hue has to be thinking towards the future for this team, and I think whoever we draft will likely be the starter from day one. I don't know what McCown can accomplish, even under competent coaching, we would probably be lucky to finish 6-10 and that's assuming he can stay healthy.

Keep McCown as a backup and mentor, but man are my fingers crossed that he's not our starter.

Same as with Manziel... the only way he McCown should be starting is if the guy behind can't/doesn't show that he's ready.

If we are going to spend a #2 Overall on a QB, he needs to be good enough to remove all doubts early on.

That said, after how he did in 2015, I wouldn't have a problem if the rookie sat for 2016 behind McCown. QB may have been an issue, but it wasn't the biggest issue facing us, by far.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...qb-in-cleveland

Josh McCown willing to mentor a young QB in Cleveland

The Cleveland Browns brought in Josh McCown last season in part because of his willingness to work with young quarterbacks, like Johnny Manziel. While the Manziel project is kaput, McCown reiterated that he's willing to help mentor whatever young signal-caller Cleveland brings in this season.

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"My expectation is to come into work and be available and be ready to do whatever's asked of me," McCown told NBC Sports Radio on Tuesday, via Pro Football Talk. "If that's to bring along a draft pick and to start until that guy's ready, then I'm willing to do that. If that's to go the full 16, I'm excited about doing that. If that's to help that guy as he takes over, whatever my role, whatever's asked of me, I'm just here to win football games. Whatever my role is, I'm all in. I just want to help."

The Browns sit with the No. 2 pick in the 2016 NFL Draft and could have their choice of quarterbacks -- if the Tennessee Titans don't trade the No. 1 overall pick to a different QB-needy team.

NFL Network Draft Analyst Mike Mayock has North Dakota State's Carson Wentz ranked as his No. 1 quarterback, with Cal's Jared Goff as No. 2. Mayock said that Goff is more polished and ready to step in right away, while he sees Wentz with a higher upside down the road.

There have also been rumors about the possibility the Browns could chase Broncos quarterback Brock Osweiler once free agency opens. If Hue Jackson sees Osweiler as a must-have, the Browns could outbid Denver.

Whatever path Cleveland takes to secure younger talent, having McCown to help tutor and play, if necessary, will help take some of the pressure off.

If Josh McCown is named the starting QB to start the season, I predict that Hue Jackson will be fired after two seasons.

If I hear one more thing about being a mentor, I am going to scream. Drop the QB into the mix and see what happens. Drop the kid QB in and give him 2 or 3 full years to prove you are right or wrong. This back and forth, mentor him, yadda...yadda...yadda. Coaches teach the guy to read defenses, make audibles, run the offense as you want it run. To keep a young QB on the sidelines holding a clipboard is one thing if the guy in front of him is Brett Favre. It is quite another if it is Josh McCown.

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McCown is a 2-17 QB in his last 19 starts. I read some where that he was compared to Bernie Kosar because of his statistics last season. Does anyone see Bernie Kosar in McCown? The Browns need to stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Draft a QB, start the QB all 16 games if healthy, make a commitment to the QB and HC for 2 or 3 seasons together. Give it a chance. I surmise that if the Browns draft a QB in the 1st round and sit him behind McCown, the Browns will be searching for another QB in the 2018 NFL draft as the QB will be playing as a rookie in his second season and the coach will be trying to save his job. New coach coming in after a bad season, new QB search. We need a Carr, Bridgewater, Bortles. We do not need a Flynn or Garoppolo. Sink or swim. Or as my Drill Instructor used to tell me, "Soldier either sh*t or get off the pot, son. You are either able or you are unable. Which is it soldier?"

Pretty sure it all depends on who he picks up in FA and in the draft.

Did anyone ever see Bernie have such a garbage team, coaching staff, and front office around him?

I'm not president of the the McCown fan club or anything, but if he's the starter day one I think that, as with last season, the QB position will be very low on our list of problems. Again.

Well..........hopefully the Browns won't be stupid enough to take a qb at number 2 and there will be no need for McCown to be the guy's mentor.

I think you may want to get yourself set for disappointment. My guess is that they trade down, get some extra picks this or next season and take one of the QB's we keep hearing about, Wentz or Goff or who knows who.

I never said it did.

And no matter how many times you say these guys are good qbs, it also does not make it true.

I'm sorry if me not liking this year's crop of qbs annoys you. But.........not that sorry.

Ahh, these are your exact words from a few posts up this thread:



As far as I'm concerned, that's calling it stupid to take a QB at 2!