Paul Kantner, a Founder of Jefferson Airplane, Dies at 74
By WILLIAM GRIMES JAN 28, 2016 The New York Times
Paul Kantner, a founding member of Jefferson Airplane, one of the definitive San Francisco psychedelic groups of the 1960s, and the guiding spirit of its successor, Jefferson Starship, died on Thursday in San Francisco. He was 74.
The cause was multiple organ failure brought on by septic shock, his publicist, Cynthia Bowman, said.
Mr. Kantner died just weeks after it was announced that Jefferson Airplane would receive a Lifetime Achievement Grammy Award next month.
Mr. Kantner, who started as a folk singer, had a mellow baritone voice that blended ideally with the penetrating tenor of Marty Balin, and the powerful mezzo of Grace Slick, who joined the band after its first album. He played a steady rhythm guitar that anchored the freak-out style of the group’s lead guitarist, Jorma Kaukonen, and the adventurous bass lines of Jack Casady.
“Paul was the catalyst that brought the whole thing together,” Mr. Kaukonen said in an interview on Thursday. “He had the transcendental vision, and he hung onto it like a bulldog. The band would not have been what it was without him.”
He was a prolific songwriter, teaming with Mr. Balin on some of the group’s best-known songs, including “Today,” “Young Girl Sunday Blues” and “Volunteers.” He wrote most of the songs on the freewheeling “After Bathing at Baxter’s,” the group’s third album and in the opinion of many critics its best, and contributed the title song to the fourth, “Crown of Creation.”
Mr. Kantner came to be seen as the intellectual spokesman for the group, with an ideology, reflected in his songs, that combined anarchic politics, an enthusiasm for mind-expansion through LSD and science-fiction utopianism. The song “Wooden Ships,” which he wrote with Stephen Stills and David Crosby, was emblematic, describing a group escaping a postapocalyptic society to create its own freedom in a place unknown.
It was prophetic. With the breakup of the Jefferson Airplane in the early 1970s, Mr. Kantner began exploring his pet themes on a solo album, “Blows Against the Empire,” which had a science-fiction mini-epic on one side, and in the albums he recorded with Jefferson Starship, notably “Freedom at Point Zero” and “Modern Times.”
“We said what needed to be said,” Mr. Kantner told People magazine in 1981. “There was an obvious call not to turn the other cheek when we were being slapped by the system.”
But, he added, “The rock bands of the ’60s supplanted the football and military heroes, and just as all those heroes had fallen when put to the test, rock musicians proved they had no more of an answer to saving the world than anybody else.”
Paul Lorin Kantner was born on March 17, 1941, in San Francisco. After the death of his mother, the former Cora Fortier, when he was 8, he was sent to a Jesuit boarding school by his father, Paul, a salesman. The experience instilled in him a lifelong hatred of authority and a deep love of protest music.
He learned to play guitar in his teens, and learned banjo from the instructional book written by Pete Seeger. After attending Santa Clara University and San Jose State College, Mr. Kantner plunged into San Francisco’s folk scene.
It was while he was performing at the Drinking Gourd in 1965 that Mr. Balin approached him about joining the group that would become the Airplane. Mr. Kantner drafted Mr. Kaukonen, whom he had known at San Jose, who in turn provided the group with its name, taken from a blues name a friend had given him: Blind Lemon Jefferson Airplane.
With Mr. Balin, Mr. Kantner wrote four songs for “Jefferson Airplane Takes Off,” the group’s first album: “Come Up the Years,” “Run Around,” “Bringing Me Down” and “Let Me In,” all in a pop-folk vein. They also wrote two folk-inflected songs, “Today” and “D.C.B.A.,” for “Surrealistic Pillow,” the group’s breakout album and one of the signature records of the decade. (That album also included the only Top 10 singles the Airplane would ever have, “Somebody to Love” and “White Rabbit,” both of which featured Ms. Slick.)
“I was the one who was responsible mostly for the harmony songs in the Airplane and the Starship,” Mr. Kantner told the website Music-Illuminati in 2010. “Marty did his solo business, and Grace did her solo business, and it was left to me to fashion these harmony songs, coming from the Weavers and God knows where else. We just did it, accidentally.”
With “After Bathing at Baxter’s,” the Airplane turned up the psychedelic dial with wandering songs, otherworldly lyrics, strange sound effects and a more improvisational style. At generation-defining events like the Monterey International Pop Festival in 1967 and Woodstock and the ill-fated Altamont Speedway Free Festival in 1969, the group embodied the look, the sound, the politics and the aspirations of the counterculture, specifically its San Francisco incarnation.
The group was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1996. “Their heady psychedelia, combustible group dynamic and adventuresome live shows made them one of the defining bands of the era,” their entry on the Hall of Fame website reads.
Internal tensions caused the Airplane to fall apart in the early 1970s. From the wreckage came Jefferson Starship, introduced purely as a name on “Blows Against the Empire,” a concept album about a group of people escaping Earth on a hijacked starship. Mr. Kantner recorded that album with Ms. Slick, Mr. Crosby, Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead and others.
After he and Ms. Slick recorded the albums “Sunfighter” and “Baron von Tollbooth and the Chrome Nun,” they took several musicians from those sessions with them to form Jefferson Starship, a group that went through many personnel changes through the years. Mr. Balin sang on the first few albums and wrote several songs with Mr. Kantner and others.Jefferson Starship enjoyed much greater commercial success than the Airplane, with several Top 10 albums and a single, “Miracles” (featuring Mr. Balin), that reached No. 3 on the Billboard chart in 1975.
Mr. Kantner left the group in 1984, complaining that it had become too commercial, and successfully sued to prevent it from using “Jefferson” in its name. As Starship, the group, with Ms. Slick, recorded several Top 10 hits, including “We Built This City” in 1985.
In 1986 Mr. Kantner recorded the album “KBC Band” with his former Airplane bandmates Mr. Balin and Mr. Casady. He also wrote a book, “Nicaragua Diary: How I Spent My Summer Vacation, or, I Was a Commie Dupe for the Sandinistas.”
While he was performing one night in 1988 in San Francisco with Hot Tuna, a group formed by Mr. Kaukonen and Mr. Casady, Ms. Slick walked onstage and began singing. A reunion of the Airplane, without the drummer, Spencer Dryden, followed in 1989, with a tour and an album of new material, simply titled “Jefferson Airplane.”
After re-forming Jefferson Starship with Mr. Balin in the early 1990s, Mr. Kantner toured often with the group, which evolved into a solo vehicle for him, with guest musicians coming and going. In 2008 the group recorded “Jefferson’s Tree of Liberty,” a collection of folk and protest songs.
For several years Mr. Kantner and Ms. Slick were a couple. Their daughter, China Isler, survives him, as do two sons, Gareth and Alexander, and four grandchildren.
“For us it was about new frontiers,” Mr. Kantner told the website Wales Online in 2009, speaking about the Airplane. “The whole world was going through these forward steps — beautiful, amazing stuff — much of it working, much of it not working. Revolution is not the right word for it, but it was progress.”
I always liked Jefferson Airplane better than Jefferson Starship. Not sure if that is proper to say on this thread, but I just thought I would throw it out there.
One pill makes you larger And one pill makes you small And the ones that mother gives you Don't do anything at all Go ask Alice When she's ten feet tall
And if you go chasing rabbits And you know you're going to fall Tell 'em a hookah smoking caterpillar Has given you the call... Call Alice When she was just small
When the men on the chessboard Get up and tell you where to go And you've just had some kind of mushroom And your mind is moving low Go ask Alice I think she'll know
When logic and proportion Have fallen sloppy dead And the White Knight is talking backwards And the Red Queen's off with her head Remember what the Dormouse said Feed your head Feed your head Feed your head
Then, the movie called Go Ask Alice was made in the early '70's. That movie and Grace Slick's mesmerizing voice freaked me out. It changed my perspective on some of societies long-standing beliefs about American families, values, and most of all--------issues.
Man, it seems like every day these 70-80 year old former rockers are leaving this life, and heading off into history.
I was never a huge fan of songs about drugs and such, but songs like "Go ask Alice" were just so poetic and strange/haunting that they were impossible to ignore. I really liked the song "Miracles", but was never a huge fan of the sci-fi weirdness that overwhelmed some of (Jefferson) Starship.
The music of the 60s and 70s is largely dying out today. No one plays it, not even among the "classic rock" stations. I said this on another "death" thread, but I bet that if you asked 100 people about much of this era of music, most would have no idea what any of these songs are.
We think that music will last forever, and that there is some form of immortality contained therein, but in reality, most music fades into ever smaller and smaller circles of remembrance as time goes by. Unfortunately, much of this 60s/70s will be gone, lost to time, within the next 20 or so years. Much of it already is, and is only remembered when someone dies. (How morbid is that?) Even some of the bigger stuff ..... like the early Beatles, have largely faded from public view. I suppose that it is natural, as we can only have no much music on public display at any one time, and much of the rest is shoved off the edge, but it is sad.
There are a bunch of albums at my mom's house, like Tony Orlando and Dawn, and I cannot really remember who else, that have been sitting in storage for decades. They probably don't even play anymore, even if I could find an appropriate turntable. But look at the music of that generation ..... Sinatra, Sammy Davis, and so many others who were so influential in their times. They fade away, and their music is never heard. It is no longer "cool" for newer generations, who want to hear their latest and greatest.
Maybe the internet will help preserve some of this music .... but even then, who searches for it anymore? Probably not many people, except, sadly, when someone dies.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I disagree that music from that era is dying out. All kinds of people still listen to Pink Floyd, The Stones, Led Zep, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, The Beatles, Hendrix, The Doors, The Eagles, The Who, Lyn Skyn, CSNY, CCR, etc.
Even my kids and nephew listen to that music occasionally.
If you--or anyone--is interested [and many of you already know this] but you can download Pandora Radio for free and type in one of your favorite artists/groups. You then use the thumbs [ or ] to fine tune your preferences.
It really works.
I had several stations that I liked: Pink Floyd Radio, Neil Young Radio, BB King Radio, Rolling Stones Radio. I like some of the Stones' stuff, but not all. Anyway, I really made use of the "thumbs" on the Rolling Stones Radio station and it never plays crap that I don't like, such as Tony Orlando...LOL........but, not only do I get to listen to Floyd, Led Zep, The Doors, Hendrix, Clapton, etc..........but I started to get Neil Young, CCR, Dylan, Eagles, etc........and then, songs by BB King, Buddy Guy, Albert King, Stevie Ray Vaughan, The Temptations, Otis Redding, Marvin Gaye, etc became part of a Rolling Stones station.
Heck, yesterday......my son and I were shooting pool and drinking a few brews and What a Wonderful World by Louie Armstrong comes on. Is that freaking remarkable or what?
I think the songs that I like have that strong blues backbeat. Someone like Clem could probably explain it better than I can, but the early groups that I mentioned: Stones, LZ, Doors, Hendrix, and even Floyd........have that blues backbeat in many of their songs.
Now, that is just my example...........but I am sure you all can tailor whatever station you like into only playing your favorite songs.
IMO, Grace Slick was one of the 2 best female rock vocalists, the other being Ann Wilson of Heart. I thought Ann had a sweeter voice and was more versatile, but Grace's voice was just powerful. Both great. I'll admit to having a schoolboy crush on Grace, probably like about a million other young teens. In retrospect though, I suspect she'd be in the "Danger Zone" on the Hot/Crazy Matrix ...
I don't think I can ever forgive them when their starship incarnation came up with "We Built This City". I was living in the Tampa Bay Area at the time and it's reference to the city by the bay caused the local radio stations to play that atrocious song over and over and over and over until my ears bled. I don't think I ever hated any one song as much as that one. Carly Simons "You're So Vein" is a good second.
Starship had a couple really good songs - "Stranger", "Winds Of Change" - but I liked the Airplane a lot more. The songs you grew to hate could be a thread of its own ... "Smoke on the Water" comes to mind, along with "Another Brick In The Wall".
As to the other topic, ask anyone under the age of 25 about music from the 60s, 70s, and even the 80s. Sure some groups have made their way into public consciousness, usually because a song has been featured in a movie, but man, a lot of people 25 and under ..... maybe even 30 and under ..... only know the last decade, or maybe 20 years of music, and only certain genres. (like the junk they play on pop radio today)
It is only natural that much of that music is being lost, because no music store could contain every album created from the 60s to today ..... and it wouldn't even be worthwhile for a lot of the online services to worry about rights management on millions and millions of all but forgotten songs. (I wonder how many individual songs have been released, either solo, or in album format, from 1960 to today?)
I was thinking about this on the Glenn Frey thread. The Eagles were a hugely important band. They had rock icons galore, with Glenn Frye, Don Henley, Joe Walsh, They were immensely popular. Their music was very well known. When is the last time you heard "Peaceful, easy feeling"? "Best of my love"? "Take it to the limit"? "Take it easy"? "Desperado"? "Lying eyes"? "Already gone"? "Witchy woman"? "I can't tell you why"?
It's probably been a decade or more since I have heard any of them played on the radio. Actually, probably much more, now that I think about it. I hear "Hotel California" once in a while, but most of that music is forgotten by today's musical scene. Maybe some of it will come back to the attention of people following the death of Glenn Frye, but for the most part, our generation will remember some of it, forget a lot of it, and that's just the nature of life. New things come along that capture our attention, and things we enjoyed, or even loved, fade. It's like that for us as a people too. Some people will remember, and cherish certain songs, but will hear another they love, and struggle to remember exactly when the last time they heard it was.
Man, now I really do wonder just how many songs have been written and released from 1960 to today. It has to be millions and millions.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Speaking of radio, I don't think near as many people listen to the radio like we did. These days I never do. All the music from all the years since my birth, (and 30 years before that), is available on the web. Any time your near a computer or a cell phone you can tap into any and all of it.
Those listening to the radio are, I feel, those who are trapped in a car, or somewhere, with no internet signal, or those who like the commercials.
Jefferson Airplane. Wow. I loved 'em then and still do. Whenever I hear an old Airplane song it really does take me back to those high school teenage years for a moment. Man, back then the things that were important to me as well as my thoughts and opinions are so different and distant now.
YTown, I told you that my kids listen to that music. I'm around them and their friends a lot, and they all listen to that music. I work w/younger teachers and many of them listen to that music. It's not dead.
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Rock is dead, they say Long live rock
Long live rock, I need it every night Long live rock, come on and join the line Long live rock, be it dead or alive
Yeah, I Know plenty of younger people who grew up listening to their parents' records... classic rock is alive and well. Not that long ago, I ran into a teenager who was wearing an Iron Maiden t-shirt. I chatted him up and to test him, I asked him what his fave Maiden album is, and he said "Powerslave".
Yeah, I Know plenty of younger people who grew up listening to their parents' records... classic rock is alive and well. Not that long ago, I ran into a teenager who was wearing an Iron Maiden t-shirt. I chatted him up and to test him, I asked him what his fave Maiden album is, and he said "Powerslave".
Passed the test with flying colours!!
I don't know that it is alive and well. Not many new bands are what I would call Rock.
At what point will the Rock hall run out of bands to induct?
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Agreed. That statement simply doesn't hold water in my experience. Maybe in small town Ohio, which I also seriously doubt. But, across the country I hear the older music constantly. On the radio, at the office with a mix of young and older people, at events, etc.
I think I saw an article recently that said for the first time ever that older music is selling better than new music.
Peen, it's not about how many new rock bands there are. It's about if people still listen to the old rock.
I think part of the reason Classic Rock is still so popular is that the newer music isn't very good. Rap is still huge. Hip hop and the newer R&B get play, but man, some of that stuff is terrible. Justin Beber, Duke Dumont, Katy Perry, Imany, etc. Yuck.
Additionally, the 60s and 70s were a time of great innovation in music. It was deeper. So many musical geniuses came out of that era. Heck, more people listen to that music than people listen to anything from the early part of this century, the 90s, and some of the junk from the 80s.
Peen, it's not about how many new rock bands there are. It's about if people still listen to the old rock.
I think part of the reason Classic Rock is still so popular is that the newer music isn't very good. Rap is still huge. Hip hop and the newer R&B get play, but man, some of that stuff is terrible. Justin Beber, Duke Dumont, Katy Perry, Imany, etc. Yuck.
Additionally, the 60s and 70s were a time of great innovation in music. It was deeper. So many musical geniuses came out of that era. Heck, more people listen to that music than people listen to anything from the early part of this century, the 90s, and some of the junk from the 80s.
Agreed. What, in the last 30yrs in the world of rock, can compare to this:
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
Peen, it's not about how many new rock bands there are. It's about if people still listen to the old rock.
I think part of the reason Classic Rock is still so popular is that the newer music isn't very good. Rap is still huge. Hip hop and the newer R&B get play, but man, some of that stuff is terrible. Justin Beber, Duke Dumont, Katy Perry, Imany, etc. Yuck.
Additionally, the 60s and 70s were a time of great innovation in music. It was deeper. So many musical geniuses came out of that era. Heck, more people listen to that music than people listen to anything from the early part of this century, the 90s, and some of the junk from the 80s.
I don't disagree, though I do think it died. Mostly us old folks are keeping it alive on oldies stations. The local classic rock station is the #3 station only behind a top 40 country station and a classic country station.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
FYI: The original lead singer of Jefferson Airplane passed away the same day as Kantner.
Marty Balin on Facebook:
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"One sweet Lady has passed on. I imagine that she and Paul woke up in heaven and said "Hey what are you doing here? Let's start a band" and no sooner then said Spencer was there joining in!" Heartfelt thoughts to all their family and loved ones. Marty Balin HIGH FLYING BIRD WITH SIGNE
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
May I ask what I ever did to you that makes you wanna rip every post I make?
I didn't say anything about being "allowed." I just think that being happy--or relieved--that one person died over another is a bit insensitive.
That is just my opinion. Not saying I am right. Not saying that the other poster isn't "allowed" to make that observation. On the other hand, I think I am "allowed" to say that it is a bit insensitive. For example, my mother died recently. I am sure it didn't affect most of the people in the world as much as David Bowie's death, but it still hurt me and other members of our family. I simply don't think you should rank deaths.
But again, that is just my opinion. Am I "allowed" to have that opinion?
The Total Number of Available Stations Radio is broken down into two main categories: Commercial and Non-Commercial. If your favorite station promotes itself on billboards and TV, and if its commercials are "in your face", then it is a commercial station. But if it never seems to have blatant ads for itself, and if its "commercials" are very "soft sell", then it is a non-commercial station. The two types of stations are treated very differently as far as airplay is concerned.
There are approximately 10,000 commercial stations, and 2,500 non-commerical stations, in the United States. Here is a rough breakdown of the ones that have new-music formats:
Commercial: Adult Contemporary 692 Hot Adult Contemporary 335 Modern Adult Contemporary 59 Soft Adult Contemporary 376 Adult Album Alternative 75 Urban 176 Urban Adult Contemporary 103 Rhythmic Top 40 61 Top 40 292 Spanish 495 Rock and Modern Rock 306 Alternative 103 Country (all forms) 1,990 Jazz 85 Smooth (contemporary) Jazz 80 Classical 32 Kids 36 Religious 1,067
Non-Commercial (consists of college, community, and NPR stations):
All styles on one station 1,000 Religious 500 Classical 272 Jazz 120
Of all of these, there are 75 album alternative, 306 rock and modern rock, and 103 playing alternative.
There are some stations that play a mixture, but these stations are playing rock "classics: if they play rock at all. I know that there are some kids who love classic rock. There are also kids who like jazz, and classical. They are far from the majority though. Go ask 100 people under the age of 30 if they like Jefferson Airplane, and I bet most say that they have never flown on one. (even with the death of Kantner in the news) Obviously there are exceptions, but 50 years from now, if you ask people about a lot of these bands, most people will have no idea who you're talking about. It is the nature of life. New popular things replace old popular things, and each new generation has its own favorites, that replace the old favorites of generations gone by. I am not even saying that rock will be dead forever, because music is somewhat cyclical.However, many of the classics that we may love will become trivia questions in the next 20 years or so. Like I said, there will always be exceptions, but there are relatively few rock stations in the country today. Country music has surpassed rock by huge number. Even there, people know the modern artists, but ask a 2o something who George Jones is, or even a guy with a distinctive name like Conway Twitty, and most will have no idea who they are.
I stand by my premise. I strongly believe that most of what us old farts grew up with is already largely forgotten. What is remembered by many are the favorites ..... but the larger body of work by most of the bands of the 60s and 70s is already largely forgotten.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Once again.............winning a debate is more important to you than the truth.
What the devil are you talking about?
This is the 2nd time you have accused me of this. The 1st time I pointed out some things you said that were just flat out wrong. You made certain assertions, that did not match up with what I saw, and so I posted articles in support of what I wrote. You then went off on some weird "the truth isn't as important as learning" ...... or something. (I can't remember the exact words, but that was the gist)
Now, today, I posted my opinion, one that won't be proved right or wrong for years to come. I supported it with why I feel the way I do. So, how do you respond? With this weird "truth" comment. What truth? It is all supposition and projections at this point. It's all opinion on my part, and on your part. I posted why I feel the way I do, and you .... well .. you posted this. I'm sorry, but I just simply do not understand the point you are trying to nake? That anyone who disagrees with you simply should not post in support of their positions? Is that what you mean? I doubt that will get very far with most posters.
Anyway, that's my rant on this particular subject. I hope that you have a great day.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Speaking of radio, I don't think near as many people listen to the radio like we did. These days I never do. All the music from all the years since my birth, (and 30 years before that), is available on the web. Any time your near a computer or a cell phone you can tap into any and all of it.
The influence of other points of access to media is a good one. However, and this is just a guess, but I would guess that younger people are more likely to look to the internet, especially in mobile apps, than people of my generation or older are. I doubt that many people of my mom and dad's generation are on their phones, listening to music .... (both are 82) so the audience for this type of media is probably 55-60 and below.
I don't have satellite radio, but when I look at lists of their most popular stuff, it's usually talk related. (because, I guess, there isn't enough of that on the radio lol)
I wonder how their music stations rank? I really couldn't find a great list with a quick look. I found a lot of listener preference lists, but not one from Sirius itself.
I was curious about Pandora, because that would seem to be a good refuge for those trying to avoid the putrescent cacophony pretending to be music on many radio stations.
I was actually surprised. (and I get that people can create their own stations on Pandora)
Even keeping this in mind, this list of most popular stations on Pandora was rather shocking to me. Rather than escaping, it seems like people (at least on these rankings) simply provide "more of", as opposed to "escape from" for many people.
Today's hits Today's country Today's hip hop and pop hits Today's R&B and hip hop hits Classic Rock R&B love songs Christian contemporary Today's adult hits 80's pop Pop and hip hop power workout Country pop Love songs 2000s hip hop 90s R&B 90s pop Today's alternative Today's comedy Dubstep Club dance
That was a shock. I thought that people would go to a place like Pandora, as you suggested, to escape the junk that is usually played on the radio ..... but it seems, at least on these channels, that people go looking for more of the same.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I figured that, if anyone would appreciate that, it would be you.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
It's not the second time. It's about the tenth time. You are not interested in the truth as much as you are winning a debate. You've pretty much killed what could have been a quality conversation because you have to win this debate that people don't listen to classic rock anymore, even though others have told you that they do.
Whatever YTown. You win the debate!!! So now that everyone agrees w/you that no one listens to rock anymore..........would you please stay off these types of threads. I mean.......they're dead, right?
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