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Prove that comment. Look at this thread..........are half the posters saying what you just claimed? It's not even close.

What's sad is that a guy might be suicidal and have mental illness, and some of you are still intent on piling on.

The Johnny Manziel saga is getting crazy by the day. Wow.

Vers I'm not gonna pile on you like I imagine this site will the next few days, but Manziel needs serious help and should not be on any professional football team for awhile. I know you've fought valiantly to defend him and this is probably hard on you, but Manziel needs to give up football.

If you think I'm happy that this kid has ruined his life and career, you are mistaken. The fact is that he was enabled to accelerate that personal destruction.

I feel sorry for his dad as well because he has been saying "My kid needs help" since before the draft and nobody has been listening.

If you really want to be mad at someone, be mad at all the people on this board willing to overlook so much to get him on the field and get a couple more wins. The guys saying "Boys will be boys", saying "other guys his age are doing the same", saying "it's the girlfriend's fault" saying "the coach is too hard on him."

If there is one thing that Pettine did right, it was to put that choice in front of Johnny between partying and football. If Johnny can't find something in his life more important than partying, his life is over.

If you really want to help this kid, stop saying that he can do both. He can't. Maybe some guys can, but not Johnny. Right now, Johnny needs to figure out a way to save Johnny. He has to find one thing in his life more important than partying. I don't care if it's football. I do hope that he finds it.

This kid has a long hard road in front of him. Definitely time to move on.

Well, up until his agent dumped him and his dad came out and made the comment about him maybe not making it to age 24, my thoughts were, innocent (legally) until proven guilty.

But honestly, at this point, I think it's clear.

JM must hit his own personal bottom as defined by him. Fathers who love, agents who enable, girlfriends who escalate conflict and fans who hate really mean nothing......until they mean something to JM.

j/k
I have a question for anybody, If this was real, then why wasn't he arrested? I thought there was a law that any domestic assault that the police were called to that one of the two had to be arrested and taken away for at least one day? Or is that just in Ohio?

what can i say? i have no pity for the punk. i am not a nice person. and i dont really like people in general and stupid people in particular. all he did was help get a coach fired and wasted 2 years of being a browns fan.

I aint mad though...Im laughing about it all.

yeah, thats how you know your world is falling apart. Thats like a lawyer dropping you.

Manziel's parents have been saying this for years.

This chick is bad news, Manziel isn't mature enough to deal with himself, let alone her too.

In a span of a couple months Manziel went from:

1 People thinking he deserved another chance in Cleveland and that he might still be the future

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2. People assuming he would get out of Cleveland and sign on somewhere else quickly (maybe even trade for him)

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3. People wondering if he would get a chance to go somewhere to compete for a starting job

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4. People wondering if anybody is even going to be willing to take the risk at all.

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5. People wondering if Manziel would be alive this time next year.



The girl is obviously a root of many of Manziel's problems. He self-destructed on his own without her.

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-c...-looking-mirror

Former NFL, Cowboys QB Ryan Leaf: Looking at Johnny Manziel is like looking at 'a mirror'

Former NFL quarterback Ryan Leaf, a once highly touted prospect who spiraled out of the league and ended up in prison years later, said Thursday that looking at an embattled Johnny Manziel is like looking in a mirror.
Manziel has had a turbulent first two seasons in the NFL, and it came to a boiling point last weekend when his ex-girlfriend alleged in a police report that he hit her repeatedly at a Dallas hotel and while driving her home to Fort Worth on Jan. 29.

Manziel's father, Paul Manziel, told The Dallas Morning News that his son has twice declined to be admitted to area rehabilitation facilities in the last week
Leaf, 39, said in an interview with The Afternoon Show with Tim Cowlishaw and Matt Mosley on KESN-FM (103.3) he was not emotionally or behaviorally prepared for the NFL.
He was the second-overall pick in the 1998 NFL draft to the San Diego Chargers, but soon imploded and was out of the league after the 2002 season. He was with the Dallas Cowboys in 2001, playing in four games.
Leaf ran into legal troubles and became addicted to Vicodin, and he eventually was sentenced to time in prison on two separate occasions. He was released in December 2014.
"It's like a mirror. It really is," Leaf said during the radio interview. "I listen to and I hear stuff that's being said and what's going on, and it's like a mirror to me. I can relate to certain things. I called my old agent, Dave Dunn, and I got his agent's contact info and I reached out. I don't know what that meant or anything. There's a solution. There always is. But it's so hard to see when you're on this pedestal and you think you don't need help.
"You don't want to be vulnerable because you're this big, strong football player, and help means weak. And it doesn't. Asking for help might be the strongest thing you will ever do. So it's hard because it was so fun to watch him. He was a great college quarterback, and he's very capable and people want to cheer for him. And now, Cleveland dislikes him so much to the point that -- like San Diego just went on me to a point where you just got to get out of town. But me going to get out of town and getting a new start, it didn't work for me there.
"... I couldn't restart it, and I'm worried that he's not going to catch on somewhere else and be as successful as he's being as capable of being. I hope he can."

Leaf said it took prison for him to finally turn his life around.
Manziel, who is expected to be released from the Cleveland Browns in early March, spent time in a rehabilitation facility during the last NFL offseason.
He started six games for the Browns this season, his second in the league, but his time in Cleveland has been dominated by off-field incidents since he was selected in the first round of the 2014 NFL draft.
Colleen Crowley, Manziel's ex-girlfriend, said Manziel acted like he was on drugs but not intoxicated during the Jan. 29 incident, according to the police report.
"For guys that are going to go play in the NFL, college is easy. ... When you get to the NFL, you're playing against the best of the best, and if you don't have the work ethic -- like people like Peyton Manning have -- you're found out in a hurry. And that happened to me. Instead of buttoning down and trying to become better, I started fighting with the media and my teammates. It was just an imploding, chaotic version of what you don't want to happen."

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/spo...nziel/79877550/

Cowboys won't pursue Johnny Manziel

The Dallas Cowboys have been linked to Johnny Manziel at a number of points in the former Heisman Trophy winner's NFL career, and were rumored to be a possible landing spot for Manziel as recently as this week.

But a high-ranking Cowboys source says that Dallas is out on Manziel after the latest reports involving the quarterback and domestic violence allegations.

he same source had said earlier in the week that he doubted Dallas would pursue Manziel once he became available, as the Browns are expected to release the second-year player in March. But once the new allegations came to light, the source says Dallas will not pursue Manziel in free agency.


SHREVEPORTTIMES.COM
Cowboys fans begin online campaign for Johnny Manziel

On Friday ESPN reported that Manziel's agent Erik Burkhardt had dropped him as a client.

"It is with deep regret that, after several emotional and very person discussions with his family, his doctors, and my client himself, I have made the decision to terminate my professional relationship with Johnny Manziel," Burkhardt said.

Jerry Jones has had noted interest in Manziel, dating back to the 2014 NFL Draft. The Cowboys could have taken Manziel with the 16th pick, but Jones was famously talked out of the selection by others in the Dallas war room, and the Cowboys instead chose two-time Pro Bowler Zack Martin instead.

The Cowboys are in the market for a backup quarterback, be it through the draft or free agency. Manziel was one rumored target, as is Robert Griffin III. Of course there are a myriad of possible targets in the NFL Draft as well, as Dallas holds the fourth pick.


SHREVEPORTTIMES.COM
Jerry Jones: No urgency for Dallas to draft QB

The Cowboys staff was in Mobile, Alabama last week for the Senior Bowl, coaching quarterback Carson Wentz and other top collegiate talent. Wentz is one possible draftee, as is Cal's Jared Goff, and Memphis' Paxton Lynch.

Sounds like a good comparison

I don't want to see Manziel end up in prison or worse yet, dead, but he does need to get help.

Manziel's world is falling apart around him and it's actually hard to watch. I really, really, really hope he gets help, finds somebody he will listen to, checks himself back into therapy, whatever... the next 6 months are not only important if he ever wants to play football again, they will have a big bearing on the rest of his life.

Yep, I'm done taking stabs at him. The situation doesn't really anger me anymore, as a human - just kinda feeling bad for him now to be honest. A few months will effect his entire future life and I don't think he realizes what just pretty much went down the drain.

You are laughing about suicide and mental illness.

I take back what I said about you the other day......

Why would you quote me and then not address anything I said? And two people liked that post?

You said that half the people on the board believed that he was going to be our week one starter. Who are those people?

I also that when a person has reached a point of being suicidal and may be mentally ill............it's probably time to back off a bit. How do you NOT get that?

I have it set up to where I get notifications on my phone when there is any Browns news out there. I have had so many things hit my phone in the last 24 hours I turned it off. All of it bad news and all of it about Johnny. I really hope this kid is with family right now, because this many things at once is just too much to take for anyone.

Was the Ray Rice news as relentless as this when it happened? Maybe this just seems worse because it's happening to a Brown this time.

There is no suicide, everyone was trying to help this kid. Coach P really tried and people like you criticize him for it. Keep stretching trying to defend someone who is their own worst enemy. It it makes you feel better keep spinning.

The kid had the world by the balls. Everything and everyone was at his feet and he pissed it away.

Your clearly are demonstrating your understanding and knowledge of mental illness and suicide.

Keep hating...........

keep spinning...

j/c

To me there's a difference between what you hope for a person and what you want for your team as a fan.

I'm not upset with Manziel for his actions as the QB here. I'm upset with the people who ignored and failed to recognize he had well documented issues before being drafted.

As for Manziel the person, I wish him all the best, and as with anyone in such a situation, him and his family will be in my prayers.

I have dealt with mental health issues in my family and have lost a brother do to addiction. I don't claim to know the depths of his issues, but as the news has come out over the last few days, it's obviously more severe than I had realized.

Man, it is obvious that this kid has some very serious mental health issues, and, given that, I don't care about football when it comes to Manziel. I just hope and pray that he gets the help he desperately needs, so that he can get his life back on track.

When you are a former 1st round QB, who has played moderately well, and yet your team, agent, and Lebron's firm all drop you in a matter of a few months ..... well, I hope that leads him to get serious help.

When Johnny Manziel becomes available this offseason, the Dallas Cowboys reportedly do not want anything to do with him.

According to WFAA's Mike Leslie, the Cowboys do not have any plans on pursuing the soon-to-be released quarterback in free agency. This coming after the latest incident involving Manzel and his ex-girlfriend.

Via Leslie:

"A high-ranking Cowboys source says that Dallas is out on Manziel after the latest reports involving the quarterback and domestic violence allegations.

The same source had said earlier in the week that he doubted Dallas would pursue Manziel once he became available, as the Browns are expected to release the second-year player in March. But once the new allegations came to light, the source says Dallas will not pursue Manziel in free agency."

The Cowboys were thought to be a team interested in Manziel because of owner/GM Jerry Jones' infatuation with the former first-rounder. There was also a report from ESPN's Ed Werder citing that the former Texas A&M Aggie told people the Cowboys had interest in acquiring his talents.

Manziel's latest incident involving his ex-girlfriend appears to be the start of his free fall out of the NFL. As of Friday morning, the quarterback's agent dropped him indicating the end of their business partnership.

Related: Cowboys keeping all options open for backup QB position

The Cowboys will still need to find a backup quarterback this offseason, but as it stands with the latest report, don't expect the club to pursue Manziel.

http://dal.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Dallas-Cowboys-out-on-Johnny-Manziel-43505688

His problems are way more severe than I thought, too. If people wanna hear I was wrong....so be it.....I was wrong.

I have known people w/mental illness, too. I dated a woman who suffered from it. She could be so sweet, so giving, so vulnerable and then..........wham!

My principal and I had a discussion about it. I shared my story after he told me about his sister. She suffers from mental illness and it's very difficult on the family. Drug and/or alcohol abuse often accompany mental illness. We both agreed that mental illness is not funny, a character flaw, a reason to turn your back on that person [although that part is really, really hard], etc.........but instead........it is above all else----a disease that affects the life of the afflicted party and the lives of all those who love that person.

For the love of God, people.............Manziel is surely gone. It might be time to put down the pitchforks and pray for him and those close to him.

I fail to see any team that will want to take on his off field issues. He is going to have a hard road to make any team want to take on that circus.

REFS - didn't see this in the Tail Gate section under JFF thread... You can move or delete.

tab..........you should go read the thread about him in the Tailgate forum. He almost certainly won't play next year and more thank likely will never play football again. It's sad.......

Vers, he's not here to read this, so therefor I don't think there is really any piling on.

If and when Johnny ever quits drinking, he will discover most (if not all) of these problems he's been having in life will be over and done with. His best bet right now would be checking himself into rehab, obviously.

-I still think he might have Borderline Personality Disorder, but I'm not 100% positive.

As sad as this story is turning out? I still find it very, very interesting, especially being a recovering addict myself.

'When life in the fast lane comes to a screeching halt.'

You won't get much more info, a little detail here or there, but until they charge him with something, he doesn't appear to be in legal trouble.

We all know that can change in a heartbeat.. I mean by the time I hit the submit button on this post, he could be in custody. LOL

j/c

Not that any team was likely to sign him, but man, the rain keeps pouring down....


While local police authorities don't plan to charge Johnny Manziel in the wake of his latest incident involving his ex-girlfriend, as reported by ESPN's Adam Schefter the troubled quarterback is expected to receive "significant penalties" from the NFL sometime in the near future.

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Yes, he is almost certainly going to have a full year timeout next year... not just for his football career but for his life, he needs to take a year off and get his head out of his arse... Do the Marines offer a 1 year GYHOYA boot camp commitment?

You just did.

Yes he did. Some people feel very bad for people like that, even if it is a result of their own doing... other people don't.

I personally like to see people, all people, achieve their potential and I feel bad for people who, for whatever reason, can't make that happen.