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One can be a moral individual without following a religious belief system.

Many countries across the globe lack the religiosity in America, and many of their citizens appear happier, better outcomes for their lives here on earth, more economic prosperity and less crime.

Not arguing that a sound belief system is awful, but more so saying "it's because of how irreligious we're becoming!" doesn't lead to moral breakdowns in societies.

Just another peep out of me: I don't think this story is so much a gun issue story as it is a social issue.

Everyone always seems to want to talk about gun control, but rarely does anyone want to address the factors that are making our youth more violent, less caring, less respectful for the rights of others and authority, and much more dangerous to society.

Your argument is flawed, yet again.

Somebody who ODs on a drug didn't violate somebody else's righ to live.

A homicide means somebody took someone else's life.

You're making this easy for me to be anti-gun. But keep going.

i don't ignore drug deaths.

i'm the one who made the post a few months ago about the effect on drugs with cartels and violence.

I'm not getting guns. i considered it, but i just can't right now.

as much as you're trying, there's no double standards my way.

What i'm saying is that when it comes to the USE of drugs, it can't be compared to gun deaths.

but see, i have to do the work for you to make your own argument actually work.

so here's some advice: for your argument to work, you need to find the numbers on homicides committed while drunk/under the influence of drugs by use of guns.

since we're talking about guns, you can't take out suicide by guns because that's a huge piece of the pie. you can't take out ANYTHING that relates to gun if we're talking about guns.

if you want to talk about deaths from OD's, than make a separate thread about it.

it's sad that i gotta give a 40+ year old man tips on how to make a proper argument. I'm not acting ignorant, you just can't formulate your points properly.

That isn't true at all.

It's easier to pull the trigger than it is any other means to kill yourself.

You guys continuously ignore the fact that it is simply harder to kill someone or ones self with any other tool than a gun.

We can't even get that in agreement. We see it two different ways. I disagree with everything you say.

it's funny how you said you wasn't gonna comment on the kid stuff.

FBH. you are right. we are the greatest. we are #1 or top 10 in:

gun deaths, gun violence, people in prison, etc. kids dying from gun violence, kids getting injured from gun violence.

what an amazing thing to be #1 or top 10 in the world in. everybody give yourselves a pat on the back.

We have talked about this before in other threads, but the problem is nobody wants to hear it.

the gun problem and social problem is a marriage. they go hand and hand together. we have talked about the gun culture before.

because unlike anything else, people feel bad ass when they hold a gun. that power the gun gives them, thats a real psychological thing that can't even be denied.

and you see it in our culture everyday. you see it in movies and tv shows. the "hero" is getting his ass whooped in a one on one fight against the villain. he reaches for the gun and shoots the bad guy.

you see it in real life. people wanna run their mouth, get their ass beat in a fist fight, then pull out a gun because they bit off more than they can chew. Hello george zimmerman.

so people can say what they want about GZ, the fact of the matter is that if he wasn't packing, most likely he doesn't even confront trayvon, because it was the gun that gave him the feeling of power, not his neighborhood watch thing or whatever.

why does that guy in florida feel the need to carry his gun when confronting a bunch of teen over loud music? he shot those kids who weren't doing a damn thing wrong except being kids.

this 11 year old kid. he didn't go get a bat, a knife, nothing. he went straight for a bb gun and a shot gun. he already knew which "tool" was gonna give him instance results.

i'm trying my hardest to stay pro 2nd amendment, but people in this country make it extremely difficult with some of their arguments.

the "defend ourselves against the government" argument is becoming funny to me. because we shoot each other at such a rate that whatever government planned on doing to us, we're already doing to ourselves.

the guns aren't being used to protect us from the government. they're being used to protect us from each other.

it's become way more than "defending your family". now we got guys wanting to walk around with their "rights" in walmart and chipotle. now they doing it in airports.

this right here is what pisses me off:

Over 7,000 children are hospitalized or killed due to gun violence every year, according to a new study published in the medical journal Pediatrics. An additional 3,000 children die from gun injuries before making it to the hospital, bringing the total number of injured or killed adolescents to 10,000 each year.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/the-toll-gun-violence-children
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/he...ticle-1.1592703

Every day, 48 children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, and police intervention.

Every day, 7 children and teens die from gun violence:

5 are murdered
2 kill themselves.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/key-gun-violence-statistics



this is ok? if this is ok for you guys in the name of "Defending ourselves against the government" then we will never been cool in real life.

i always found it funny how people can be anti-abortion and pro 2nd amendment.

so you're ok with the babies being born, but don't give a damn once they're alive right?

cause these stats show that the pro-"life", pro 2nd amendment people don't give a flying crap about it. or there would've been something done about this already. the numbers have been here for decades.

it's ok that we live in "the greatest country on earth", yet our kids are 9 times more likely to be injured/killed from gun violence than any other developed nation?

that's ok? because we gotta defend ourselves against the jackboots, right?

let me make this clear on this board. i might distrust the government, but i distrust YALL even less. i might have minimum trust for the cops, but i don't have ANY trust for the pro 2nd amendment civilian population.

you, the parents, and you're gun slinging kids, are scary to me. that's the truth, be offended all you want, but thats the reality, and it won't change.

we have way too many irresponsible gun owners, and way too many hot heads allowed to own weapons in this country for me to just be ok with this.

and no, giving more people guns isn't the solution. that right there has to be the all time dumbest argumentive point i've ever heard in my life.

and parent's need to be more responsible?

i don't expect them to. not when we got grown adults shooting each other cause somebody smashed the wrong chick or dude.

not when we got grown adults shooting up movie theaters and clinics.

not when we got drunken idiots popping off rounds in the middle of the suburbs and gotta get the cops called.

not when we got parents accidentally shooting their own kids in the house because they thought it was a robber.

the numbers.....the blood shed....you can't just chalk this up to irresponsible parents anymore. this has gone way beyond that excuse. it just simply doesn't fly.

Vers, you wanna talk about social issues with guns?

that's fine. let's talk about how people care so much about guns and the invisible war against the government.

let's talk about how people don't even realize all the other rights are slowly being taken away from us, but we're too blinded to realize it because the only "right" people seem to foam at the mouth for is the 2nd amendment.

let's talk about how we as a society seem to be against abortion, but fine with the consequences of those same kids we're "protecting" being killed anyway.

let's talk about how we as a country like having the right to a gun, but nobody wants to fight for rights for healthcare, clean water, fair education.

let's talk about how we as americans fight for the right of destruction, but we don't actually fight for the right of life.

Every day, 7 children and teens die from gun violence

you're not making any sense. on top of that, Newsflash: America isn't the only developed nation on the planet. we aren't the only country people from all over the world try to move to.

people from all over the world also move to Norway, Australia, Germany, Japan, England is a big one.

oh, another newsflash :Americans also migrate OUT of the country on a regular.

so your migrate to america argument also doesn't work.

i wish the "responsible" gun owners would practice what they preach. go out and protest and condemn these idiot gun owners.

Vers, you wanna talk about social issues with guns?

I think the problems that our society are facing run MUCH deeper than guns. I am NOT sure how that point is not being conveyed

it's a logical fallacy. cars main purpose isn't to kill somebody. a car's specific purpose is to get the driver from point a to point B.

I wont speak for anyone else...my sons never had access when they was young...who is saying they should have them unsupervised?? did I miss that?

Though later on like IDK when they was 17 or so I would give them a key to their cabinet of guns to go hunt or get ready to go to the range.

What worked for me may not work for others. My youngest was a complete dolt...but the one thing I will give him credit for is he was very responsible when it came to firearms...and I think part of that was due to me having them around and learning about guns at a very young age.

This is just sad. I'm not a gun guy, don't own any. So I'll ask you gun owners out there, don't you lock up your guns to keep them out of the hands of children?

I get that maybe you wanna teach your child about guns. Perhaps if my dad had done that, I would own a few. Dunno, Probably not. But still, don't you, as a parent need to be responsible and keep guns out of the hands of unsupervised kids?

Just wondering if you feel as I do on that.