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Denver is going to try and keep Osweiler. No doubt about that. The issue is that a team like the Browns can outbid them for Brock's services.

I can't imagine unless the money offered by Denver is an absolute insult that he would opt to leave a team he's been with all of his NFL career. A super bowl winner that wants him as it's leader, a team he won't have to carry on his back as their D will pick up that slack and allow him time to grow into the position but instead come to Cleveland and be part of this dumpster fire.

He probably stands to make more in endorsements with the Broncos that would offset whatever more we might be willing to offer him as there's only so much money you can make pitching windows in Ohio.

I think the only way this guy isn't playing for Denver next season is if Denver isn't interested in him.

They have cap issues and have a few star defensive players they have to sign. They have to let somebody go. Also, Why would Manning retire. I think he will wait to be cut. Then he keeps all his money and is free to talk to other teams about playing. If he retires, he might have to give back money and Denver still holds his rights in the event he wanted to play.

I see it like this: Everybody knows the Browns need a QB, so any free agent QB would be stupid to sign anything before FA to see what the market might be for their services. We are now seeing Cousins balking at signing. Both of those guys know the Browns would much rather sign a qb and use that #2overall pick on something other than a QB.

I don't know if Orsweiler is going to be a great QB. In fact, probaqbly not, but he can be a good QB. I am fine with good because you can win with a good QB. Andy Dalton is a good QB, he isn't great.

I have read this opinion several times. That is untrue. Denver has already said they want to keep him. The question is whether Brock wants to stay in Denver vs making more money.

I am not saying this is true, but I get the sneaky feeling that some of the people saying the only way Brock becomes available is if Denver doesn't want him are the same people who really want the Browns to draft a qb w/the 2nd overall pick, thus they are already trying to discredit other options.

It's not untrue, it's a sentence that was a part of an overall opinion that you took out of context. Please don't cherry pick, I don't do that to you.

I don't think you are that type of poster. Others are, though.

I will just say that if you do a quick search, you will see that Denver does want to keep Osweiler. They have some cap issues, though and another team might be able to pay Osweiler quite a bit more money.

Research it.

On whether or not the Broncos want to keep Osweiler.

I read numerous articles on the subject to come up w/my interpretation of the situation. It's tricky because Manning is still officially on the roster, Denver has some cap concerns, other star players contracts are coming up, etc.

There are too many articles to post, so I am asking you to just research it and come up w/your own interpretation of whether or not Denver wants to keep Osweiler or not.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/02/02/super-bowl-50-broncos-peyton-manning-brock-osweiler/

Elway said that no matter what Manning decides, Osweiler is in the plans going forward. He started seven games this season for the AFC champions as Manning struggled while dealing with a foot injury, passing for 1,967 yards and 10 touchdowns with an 86.4 quarterback rating.

“We’re hoping to get something done with Brock this offseason,” Elway said. “Obviously Brock is a guy that came in and played very well for us this year. We wouldn’t be here without him. We needed both quarterbacks. We wouldn’t be here without both of them.”



http://www.9news.com/news/broncos-negotiating-with-malik-but-osweiler-talks-wait-on-manning/43275307

Tick … tick … Had enough time, Peyton? … Tick … tick … the business of Brock Osweiler awaits.
Out of respect to Manning, the Broncos have not engaged in contract negotiations with Osweiler, who played well while posting a 5-2 record as a starting quarterback in 2015 but otherwise spent the past 3 ½ seasons serving as Manning’s backup.

Peyton wants his money. He will not leave that on the table.

I think they might want to keep him, but I think it boils down to keeping him or Miller. As has been stated, the Broncos have some cap concerns. I have read that Manning and Elway aren't getting along. I don't think Manning is going to retire. I think he will wait to get cut so he can keep bonus money and still have control over what he does next year.

The best thing for the Browns is Osweiler and or Cousins goes free. I'd throw the sink at them, then try to trade down with Dallas for only reasonable compensation...say their 2nd this year and 3rd next year.

Then we could do all sorts of things and not have to draft a QB early. I'd probably still take one, say in the 3rd round, but man, we could get better quickly.

Thanks steve. Here are a couple more:






There are more, but one has to take the time to research it before just coming to a conclusion. I just don't think it's fair to say that if a team like the Browns sign Osweiler, it means that Denver didn't want him.

Of course they want to retain BO. They have no viable option at this time. With all due apologies to pblack: "pay-da-man"...

The March 9th thing is a good point.

I read that Elway is not putting pressure on Manning to decide about retiring or not, but he REALLY does need to decide before March 9th, because they could be left Trevor Siemian [who?] on the roster if Osweiler decides to accept a HUGE contract somewhere else and Manning retires after that.

The situation has many twists and turns that need to be negotiated and it's not as simple of Denver wanting Osweiler or not.

Great train of thought 'peen. This could very well happen...

They wanna keep him, but teams like Houston and Cleveland could make that almost impossible if Osweiler wants the big payday.

I will add that Osweiler has been quoted as saying he wants to stay in Denver, so he may not chase the big contract and actually accept less to stay in Denver.

It's an interesting story that will take a few more turns before it's concluded.

Certainly plausible - you may very well be correct.

I don't think they will wait until March 9th. They will have to cut him March 8th if he hasn't given a decision. i think they'll probably want to know before then so they have time to negotiate with Osweiler:

There's some interesting language in Manning's contract.

Contract Notes:
$2M bonus for winning the 2015 AFC Championship (NLTBE)
$2M bonus for winning the 2015 Super Bowl (NLTBE)
Full No Trade Clause
2016 salary becomes fully guaranteed on 3/9/16 (no offsets)

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/peyton-manning/

Manning has earned $4 million in not likely to be earned (NLTBE) bonuses, which means they were not present in the accounting for the 2015 cap and must be accounted for in 2016 cap. I think that pushes his cap number (if on the roster March 9) to $25.5 million, and his dead cap number if cut or retired to $6.5 million.

Thanks for the contract info.

And I agree w/you about not waiting for March 9th. I thought I wrote........."before March 9th," but maybe not. Either way, that is what I meant. LOL

Very interesting info. I think this reaffirms my own thoughts that Manning won't be on the Broncos' roster in 2016. It's simply the way he prefers to go out, IMO.

Does he want to be cut for the first time ever or does he want to retire on "his own terms"?

Small point, but didn't Indy cut him?

The more details and such I'm starting to understand, the more ugly this situation becomes in a way. Denver is in some tough spots with players.

I can't see them giving up a young Qb they obviously like. Ironic to think a SB winning Manning, seemingly, likely and etc will be cut.

Peyton manning was a steamy pile of dog crap this year and Osweiler was so bad they put Peyton back in. Frankly, I think we would get more out of a rookie QB than going with Brock. I just dont believe the guy has talent to ever be more than a bottom of the league QB. He is a stronger armed version of Austin Davis.

Yeah, but as good as the D in Denver is, do they really need a superstar QB? They could win it all again with a guy like Osweiler, if they keep the D together.

I think that's why some people think he could be available. Denver proved that they can win pretty much entirely on the back of that D, so it makes sense that they give the big contracts to their D guys, namely Miller and that other front 7 dude (Jackson?). There might not be enough for Osweiler after they've handled the D, but they figure they can just grab a Fitzgerald or a McCown or something and not sweat it too much.

I think Osweiler is better than any qb in the draft.

Then again, I think Cousins is even better.

I think the Browns would be foolish to not aggressively pursue either guy and draft one of these risky qbs w/the second overall pick.

It will be more of.............."the same old Browns."

Even though Manning is not the QB he used to be by a long shot and they won because of their D that doesn't mean any chump QB can get the same job done. While Manning cannot throw like he used to do, he can't put the team on his back like he used to do still, his experience, knowledge, audibles and good decisions are not likely to be accomplished by any young guy just because he can throw better than Peyton right now.

Manning has all the intangibles that no young QB has or can have without playing for years at a high level.

I could be wrong, but I just don't think you can plug-n-play a replacement for Peyton Manning.

If it's only 12 mil?

Lock him up.. Draft BPA at #2..

I think he'll end up in Houston. I think he'll do well there..

Thats not what the article said.. thats not even paraphrasing what it said..

If from what was stated in the above article is true, if Denver is thinking 10 mil a year, they aren't that concerned in keeping BO.