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I think he was right too.

Yeah I liked him coming out of college from Washington as a late round guy. I see Devin Lucien of Arizona State as a similar player, but I don't know how much of that is Pac-12 association.

I'd be very happy if we picked up either Wilkerson or Harrison in FA, but I don't expect the Jets to let Wilkerson hit the market.

I'm not sure. They are a little cap tight and have to Sign FitzPatrick.

They already have Sheldon Richardson and Leonard Williams so they could let Wilkerson walk. Can they afford to let Snacks walk though?

People looooooooooooooooooooove the exception.

And people love making comments like "............ rarely works."

It's a conversation killer and it's short-sighted to making such qualitative comments.

He wasn't supposed to be starting at corner but injuries forced him there. He was brought in, IIRC, to be a nickel type DB.

Yeah that's a good point. Most people consider Wilk the better player but they do have two other good DEs and no legit backup NT since they let Ellis leave. Will be interesting to see how it turns out.

With all due respect, I think the Browns brought Williams to be the number 2 corner opposite of Haden.

Ware was cut by the Cowboys for cap reasons and signed a relatively cheap contract.

Yeah, but if you are wrong later you can say that you said rarely and not never.

Yes, we should! I'm all about it.

You are probably right, I was thinking they expected Gilbert to turn a corner. So to speak. Big I could be wrong there.

I think it was more of a plan for the worst hope for the best type of ideas with Williams. Williams is a slot corner who can fill in outside

I feel bad disagreeing w/you because you are not being obnoxious, but Williams is NOT a slot corner. He was brought in as the number 2 cb. He handled that position well at one time, but he has lost athleticism due to age. He needs replaced.

The only ones counting on Gilber were the guys on this board. I believe the Brown's coaching staff and FO knew what he would be this past year.

Again, I am not trying to call you two out or belittle your opinions, but I think I am right about this and don't want misinformation being bandied about. I'm sorry....hope you guys are not offended.

I agree completely with what you said. But, it looks like we unfortunately won't be able to cut him this offseason due to cap reasons.

"Damon Harrison "Snacks" - There are a half dozen other NT's that can do the job and come cheaper, but Harrison dominates in the trenches. If we got him, we would need to consider moving Shelton to DE. If we get any of the other guys, Williams, Raji, or Knighton, Shelton could rotate with them."


Why in the world would you want to move the fattest guy on the planet to DE? I take it your ideal DE is a fat slow guy that stands there "eating" blocks? No thanks. We need an athlete not a lump. If Shelton plays anywhere it's the nose and I'm not sure he can play there. He's on the brink of eating his way out of the league. No more moving DT's out to DE so they can just stand there. I want a REAL DE.

A fat DE is not such a bad idea on running downs. Are you going to double team him with snacks playing next to him?

Someone text Orpheus Roye right now and see what he's up to lol...

No worries. I don't get offended if someone disagrees and/or shows me the error of my ways. No biggie.

Thanks Lamp. You're alright.........sometimes.

My wife says the same thing haha.

Your wife calls you lamp?

better than what my wife calls me.

You must have a good lawyer to get that much

j/c:

I tried asking Shadow about the two FA corners from the Rams. I figured he might have a take on them since he was a Ram's fan. Haven't heard from him. So, how to do you guys feel about these two players? I'll provide a bit of general information and please respond if you have more insight.

Trumaine Johnson: Big guy. 6'2" and over 200 lbs. Only 25 years old. Fisher absolutely loves the guy. Has been injured some which might keep his price tag down. Could be a real steal for the team who can sign him to a deal that asks him to "prove it."

Here is a blurb about him from Pro Football Focus:




Janoris Jenkins: He's 5'10" tall and is 27 years old. Ran a 4.46 40. He was the 39th pick in his draft class. Has 10 picks in 4 years.

I heard the Rams tried to sign him for a long term contract, but he is intent on hitting free agency. Figures to get about $9 million a year.

Here is a blurb about him from the same site that did the one on Johnson.




Anyone.............???

Williams was a bum in Buffalo last year. Complained all year and had several times where it was evident he wasn't trying. That, plus the money he will want. No thanks.

The scheme didn't fit him. If we want someone to be in attack mode for the majority of all snaps, he's our guy and it'll be exactly what he wants. Win win for both sides.

All jmo

I really like the size and upside of Trumaine Johnson. He is a true match up to big WR's and would be a huge asset in the red zone. I believe he is set to be in his prime for a second contract. With some injury history, he appears to have a larger boom or bust potential, but I like those odds if he can be signed to a cheaper deal than Jenkins.

Yeah, I too prefer Johnson, even though Jenkins has a bigger name.

I worry when a player gives up though. It wasn't the best scheme for him but he flat out quit several games. That added to his age and likely sky high money demands say no way to me.

I would be happy to get either guy, but would be surprised 1) if St. Louis lets these guys hit the market and 2) if this management team signed another high prices FA corner. One of the things they've emphasized is tracing how much money they are allowing to each position group. With the big numbers that Haden and T. Williams make, I'd be surprised if the hand out another $7+ million a year, which is what I think it will probably take to get one of these guys. I expect that St. Louis will re-sign both of these guys, then use their three picks in the top 50 to shore up DT, QB, and maybe WR.

JMGuess.

Thanks for the feedback.

I did some researching and it sure sounds like at least one is gone and maybe both, but who knows.......

As far as what you said about the Browns.........that depresses me. The Browns really need help at corner. Williams stinks at this point in his career. He got abused last year. Haden? I think he is a huge question mark going forward. All is not as it seems w/Joe H.

I am not trying to be annoying w/this.........but, the more tape I watch and the more I read.....the more I like Trumaine Johnson. This kid has a huge upside. He is not a finished product. He could develop into a Richard Sherman type of cb.

Here is a pretty good article on him:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26159...nfl-free-agency