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Here is another article on both Johnson and Jenkins and whether or not the Rams keep them both.

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Rams face tough decisions on Janoris Jenkins, Trumaine Johnson
Jan 1, 2016
Nick Wagoner
ESPN Staff Writer

EARTH CITY, Mo. -- There might not be two more improved players on the St. Louis Rams 2015 roster than starting cornerbacks Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson.

The timing for both players couldn't be better as they speed toward their first crack at unrestricted free agency this offseason. That Jenkins and Johnson have played so well in the final year of their contracts could put the Rams in a difficult position as the calendar has turned to 2016.

Among the many, many roster questions the Rams have to answer this offseason, there's quite a few that will center on the cornerback position. What will it cost to re-sign one or both players? Can they afford to keep both? Do they want to keep both? If they have to choose between them, which one will be a better value? If they have to choose between them, which one do they like more?


Rams cornerbacks Trumaine Johnson and Janoris Jenkins are poised to earn very lucrative long-term deals in free agency. Norm Hall/Getty Images
Those answers will have to wait until the offseason but defensive coordinator Gregg Williams made it clear on Thursday that he'd like to see both players back in Rams uniforms in 2016 and beyond.

“I love them, and they’ve done a great job," Williams said. "I would love to be able to coach them for as long as I can. I’d love to be able to coach them their whole career, but that’s the nature of our business. We understand that. When free agency came in, I was in this league for a long time and there was no free agency. When that started, it’s like college. You graduate guys and you’ve got to have guys behind them getting ready to roll, but those guys have been really, really fun to coach. They’ve done well, and I think you guys have seen them improve every single year of their careers. So, I’d love to be able to coach them for the rest of their career. Hopefully, we’ll see.”

Since we don't yet know the exact figure for the 2016 salary cap, we can't pinpoint the precise amount of money the Rams will have available to spend but we can safely say that they will have a large chunk available considering they have 17 players scheduled to be either restricted or unrestricted free agents. And the Rams could potentially have even more room if they decide to part ways with high-priced veterans like end Chris Long, tight end Jared Cook or offensive lineman Rodger Saffold.

So the case can be made that the Rams can afford to bring both Johnson and Jenkins back. And they'll probably try. But that begs the question of whether that would be the most efficient use of their resources given their needs to significantly improve the offense and re-sign other key defensive free agents. With E.J. Gaines working to return from his season-ending injury and fellow corners Lamarcus Joyner and Marcus Roberson taking steps forward this year, the Rams might have to make a difficult choice between Jenkins and Johnson.

Entering the season, the Jenkins was one pending free agent the Rams intended to re-sign before the year ended. That never came to pass as the Rams were unable to meet Jenkins' price and he cut off contract talks at the Week 6 bye. Jenkins said at the time that he'd be "glad" to sign back with the Rams after the year but he wanted to focus on the rest of his season.

It's a season that hasn't had as many big plays or defensive touchdowns as some of his previous three but it's been his steadiest as he's been able to stay healthy (aside from a concussion) and consistent. Jenkins' price has gone up accordingly and, considering deals given to the likes of Byron Maxwell in recent years, it's possible his price could approach the $10-11 million annual average.

Like Jenkins, Johnson has also put together his best season. Although he's had some injury issues the past two years, Johnson has flashed an impressive knack for making plays on the ball, coming up with seven interceptions and making 61 tackles. In Pro Football Focus' metrics, Johnson ranks No. 1 in quarterback rating against (47.4) and grades out as the league's fifth-best cornerback.

Given those numbers plus Johnson's size advantage (he's listed at 6-foot-2, 208 pounds; Jenkins is 5-10, 198), a price tag that once figured to make him a bargain relative to Jenkins has also probably gone up.

“Tackling very well," coach Jeff Fisher said. "Playing very smart. Jumping routes. Understanding route concepts, formations, splits, alignments and things like that. He’s doing a great job with that. The ball security ... the hand-eye coordination is extraordinary. He can make plays on the ball. We can go back and look at the interception highlights from this past year and a couple that Janoris made and a couple that 'Tru' made were outstanding plays.”

There are far worse problems to have than a pair of emerging young cornerbacks heading toward free agency. But for the Rams, the key is making sure that whatever route they choose to go not only ensures their long-term future at the position but allows them the flexibility needed to improve elsewhere.

http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/po...rumaine-johnson


Just so y'all know.......I was not too familiar w/either guy, but I remember us playing the Rams and being impressed w/one corner in particular. Because I play FF and have the Ticket, I started to watch more of the Ram's defense. These two guys are very good. I like Johnson more, partly because he will probably be cheaper and Jenkins is more of a make a big play/give up a big play kinda guy.

I don't give a rat's butt about analytics in this situation. The Browns need help at corner.

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I think the corner help will have to wait until we can cut Williams. If we signed a free agent, then we would have a ton of money committed to one position.

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If you are correct, and others are echoing the same thing, it will be a mistake.

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If you are correct, and others are echoing the same thing, it will be a mistake.


Farmer (and whoever was helping him make decisions) killed this team. It will take years to fix his mistakes.

We signed Williams because Gilbert was a bust. Now we probably can't sign another corner because we have Williams on the roster.

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Yeah.........I agree w/that. Depressing.

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I hope that we upgrade our pass rush. We had some decent cover guys, but man, last year we gave some opposing QBs all day to throw. I think that Horton will play more zone or combination defense than O'Neil did.


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Te Bears Announced that Matt forte will not be resigned. He probably only has a couple more good years left in him. Does anyone think he can do better than Crowell and Duke ?


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Originally Posted By: Halfback32
Te Bears Announced that Matt forte will not be resigned. He probably only has a couple more good years left in him. Does anyone think he can do better than Crowell and Duke ?
idk hard to say. seems how we had Cam (superman) Erving playing LG for a chunk of the year. and our back were being tackled behind the LOS more often than not...I would like to see our backs run behind a better line...but Matt is Matt and he still some tred on those tires imo....


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I think that the Browns need to upgrades at both. They need both a pass rusher and a corner. Horton's defense sucked on third down and/or late in the game when he was here. That's when teams had to throw.

Williams stinks! There is no nice way to put it. He stinks. Not upgrading at corner will haunt the Browns if they care more about "where" the money goes rather than addressing obvious needs.

I also think Johnson is going to be one of those players who lights it up and people ask how in the world did we pass this guy up, similar to Brandon Marshal, Crabtree, and DeAngelo Williams last year.

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Originally Posted By: Halfback32
Te Bears Announced that Matt forte will not be resigned. He probably only has a couple more good years left in him. Does anyone think he can do better than Crowell and Duke ?


New England makes the most sense.

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I think that the Browns need to upgrades at both. They need both a pass rusher and a corner. Horton's defense sucked on third down and/or late in the game when he was here. That's when teams had to throw.

Williams stinks! There is no nice way to put it. He stinks. Not upgrading at corner will haunt the Browns if they care more about "where" the money goes rather than addressing obvious needs.

I also think Johnson is going to be one of those players who lights it up and people ask how in the world did we pass this guy up, similar to Brandon Marshal, Crabtree, and DeAngelo Williams last year.

Troubling seeing "Earth City, MO" as the place of origin. Seeing what the NFL did to St. Louis...I'll leave for another thread.

Johnson would be an ideal pick up. It will cost. I think adding Johnson aids the pass rush. Last season Browns did not have talent stopping teams best receiver making it difficult applying any sort of pressure.

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I would love to see us make a run at Matt Forte. I wish I knew where to look for the video, but they had a really nice report on him. He seems like great young man with a strong work ethic. He had a pretty solid upbringing and we'd be bringing in a quality character guy. We need more of those types to motive the young ones...


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Originally Posted By: clevesteve
I would be happy to get either guy, but would be surprised 1) if St. Louis lets these guys hit the market and 2) if this management team signed another high prices FA corner. One of the things they've emphasized is tracing how much money they are allowing to each position group. With the big numbers that Haden and T. Williams make, I'd be surprised if the hand out another $7+ million a year, which is what I think it will probably take to get one of these guys. I expect that St. Louis will re-sign both of these guys, then use their three picks in the top 50 to shore up DT, QB, and maybe WR.

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Is Trent Williams guaranteed? How many years was he signed? 3 or was it 2?

Either way when first signed it was stated by many, here and by them who get paid to talk about football. That it was a contract for 2 years at the most.

Just wondering if we take a hit. These are new guys and I can see them getting rid of Trent and signing Johnson of the Rams as a trade off in money but an upgrade on the field sort of going with their philosophy of getting bang for their buck???



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Here's hoping on Ifo...


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Originally Posted By: dawglover05
Here's hoping on Ifo...


I wonder how many people don't even know who/what you're referring to lol! If he works out, then best 7th rounder ever! I have more hope for Gaines though.

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Here's hoping on Ifo...


I wonder how many people don't even know who/what you're referring to lol! If he works out, then best 7th rounder ever! I have more hope for Gaines though.


I think you give folks on here too little credit LOL Gotta be honest here, I did forget about him at some point, but when I heard his name, it all came back to me.

Same thing happened with Gordon until he applied for reinstatement. Just put him out of my mind.


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Forte is interesting. Price for a cut and aging back. A pounder would help. We need a decent edge, but acorner could help the rush, the rush can help the corners. Get some part of it right with the cap and picks. Getting off the field on defense would benefit the offense.

Value game breakers and playmakers for this season. Just a lot of stuff to fix (again and still). Weed your garden hard before you plant again IMO. Figuring who should be gone is a vital step.


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We need a run stuffing ILB. One that is a force. IMO, they were the weakest part of our defense. No impact at all. You get an ILB that is a force, one that can blitz along with filling run holes, our pass rush will improve. Pettine's scheme was always suspect against the run.

Kirksey and Robinson are not impact players, and Dansby is getting too old and slow.


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Is Trent Williams guaranteed? How many years was he signed? 3 or was it 2?


According to Spotrac, he carries a $6.9 million cap hit this year and if cut pre June 1 would have only a $3.8 dead money number, so it looks like they wouldn't lose any new cash by cutting him and his dead number isn't terrible for this season. He's got two years left on the deal (2016 & 2017). So yeah, cutting him is a possibility if they feel they can land someone better.

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...s-or-hit-market

Will Damon Harrison cash in with Jets or hit market?

The Jets are one of the few teams that will be watched closely through the exclusive negotiation period and franchise tag window in order to see what they'll do with star defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson -- a player that has been promised a new deal by three different general managers over the course of his career.

But there is another key cog on their defensive line that no one is talking about, who is also set to cash in.

"The fact that the best of me has yet to come should excite my supporters," Jets nose tackle Damon Harrison wrote on Twitter Monday. "But it should seriously frighten anybody who isn't for me."

Harrison is not shy about staking his claim in the football world. The former undrafted free agent told Around The NFL during the preseason that "I feel like I'm the best nose tackle in football. If you look at a nose tackle's job description, nobody does it better than me and I'm confident in saying that."

His note on Twitter was perhaps another reminder as the exclusive negotiating window dwindles and free agency prepares to open.

Pro Football Focus is really the only site attempting to rank nose tackles, but they have listed Harrison among the best in football over the past three years. And while he only plays about half the teams' defensive snaps, he continues to improve. In 2015, that meant leading the NFL in 'stops,' a metric that measures solo defensive plays that result in a failure for the offense. He was tied with Aaron Donald for first in the NFL.

On a basic box-score level, he had more tackles than Vince Wilfork, Dontari Poe and Paul Soliai -- some of the more traditional headliners at the nose tackle position. It's not easy to make an impact on an individual level at the nose tackle position and much of the job entails drawing double teams and creating log jams at the point of attack.

The Jets have an enviable cadre of versatile defensive linemen, but in a 3-4, so much of their success depends on the grunt work done by Harrison. If he fields anywhere near the five-year, $32 million contract signed by Soliai back in 2014 or the five-year $40 million extension Wilfork signed at the height of his prime, might he be fielding it somewhere else?

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Apparently Sam Bradford will be a FA. Anyone interested?


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Apparently Sam Bradford will be a FA. Anyone interested?


If those reports of him wanting 20+ mil a year are true, no one will want him.

He's only played two complete seasons in his 6 year career. I've never really though of him as "really good", even coming out of Oklahoma..

He's 28. I'd say no.


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the guy got injured again last season.

i wouldn't touch him at all. the guy gets injured when the wind blows too hard.


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Rarely does a Franchise QB make the open market. Bradford is not a Jeff George.

The Eagles knew they got him for one year. The Chip Kelly style RUN n SHOOT will get any QB killed. I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.

IIRC his injury was not big but at the end of the season so he couldn't come back. The fact he didn't re injure the Knee was big time.

If we do not invest in a QB from our #2 slot...I would hope that we would pursue him. I think he benefited from playing in that offense last year. For the most part he had to make presnap reads and get rid of the ball quickly. He probably has 8 peak years in him.

Hopefully 20 mil is the starting point and we can negotiate a better deal for us.

I doubt this happens. Quite frankly I am pretty sure we will go for a QB at #2.

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I'd like Matt Forte on a short-term deal. 2 or 3 years.

I always liked him in Chicago, and he can do everything. He's a solid locker room guy, he can block, catch, and run. And Soldier Field has to be the only place in the NFL with worse weather than First Energy Stadium.

Honestly, while I like him, I don't think the Crow is that good (he's a backup), and Duke just doesn't have the body of an every down back. Forte could bring a lot to the team. They'd be a three-headed machine.

I'm hoping Forte could be for us what Tomlinson and Thomas Jones were for the NY Jets.



But, I'd also like us to re-sign our guys. That's my priority. Gipson (I've always felt FS's are harder to replace than SS's and Gipson is easily better than Donte Hitner), Benjamin, and Schwartz. If Mack comes back, even better

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Per multiple sources online, including NFL on ESPN, Adam Schefter, and Pro Football Talk, the Redskins and Kirk Cousins have broken off contract negotiations. Surprising to me.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...uld-mean-a-tag/

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/147866...ct-negotiations

can't access twitter from work...


actually... looks like its all the same source (Schefter)

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I was just kidding.....but thanks!


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well, it brought up a good point, in that it is really only (for now) reported by one guy, then a bunch of reports on the report.

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The usual format they use. "Its been reported" I hate when it ends up being from a Grossi Article...lol laugh



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Pro Football Focus is really the only site attempting to rank nose tackles, but they have listed Harrison among the best in football over the past three years. And while he only plays about half the teams' defensive snaps, he continues to improve.


This makes me curious. If PFF has him ranked among best in football why does he only play half the defensive snaps? It makes me think that in certain situations he comes up big, in others maybe not so much. So they use him as a situational player where he excels. That's what it sounds like to me.

Or do they play a hybrid so are only in the 3/4 half the time?

Have you, or anyone, given this any thought? It just seems odd to me.


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He probably comes out on passing downs.
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3rd and 5+

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Per multiple sources online, including NFL on ESPN, Adam Schefter, and Pro Football Talk, the Redskins and Kirk Cousins have broken off contract negotiations. Surprising to me.


I don't know how true that is, but that would be the answer to the Brown's QB situation.

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Ahh. Thanks. It went completely over my head.


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Per multiple sources online, including NFL on ESPN, Adam Schefter, and Pro Football Talk, the Redskins and Kirk Cousins have broken off contract negotiations. Surprising to me.


I don't know how true that is, but that would be the answer to the Brown's QB situation.


He's a guy like Osweiler that scares me a bit. But I think he's a better bet than Brock..

I just wonder how much he's ganna be asking.

Do you put him the Dalton/Tannehill salary bracket?

It'd make the draft a lot easier.


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yeah, he's probably not even on the field in most nickel.

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I've been reading that if the Skins & Cousins can't agree on things then we should expect to see him tagged.

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I've been reading that if the Skins & Cousins can't agree on things then we should expect to see him tagged.


Yeah, no doubt.

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