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wow. $19.6 million guaranteed for Kirk Cousins for one year. (if he is tagged)
Heck, I bet he hopes he gets tagged.
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I think he is a better qb than either of those guys, but truthfully, I don't see the Skins letting him go.
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Talks Between The Redskins And QB Cousins Break Off; Could The Browns Swoop In And Sign Him? Another QB who could be in the mix for the Browns is Washington Redskins signal caller Kirk Cousins. He led the Redskins to a solid 2015 out of nowhere, as Washington went 9-7, and Cousins threw for 4,166 yards with an impressive 29 touchdowns and just 11 picks. Would the Redskins let Cousins walk? Most say ‘no way,’ but today Adam Schefter stated that talks between the Redskins and Cousins have broken off. Could the Browns scoop in and grab Cousins? They may not even want him, but if Cousins really doesn’t want to go back to the Skins, the Browns could be an option if Hue Jackson and the new coaching staff wants him. Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter Redskins and QB Kirk Cousins have broken off contract talks, per team source. No further talks scheduled http://www.neosportsinsiders.com/4412-2/oh lord I would it if we could get him...either him or Fitzpatrick
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wow. $19.6 million guaranteed for Kirk Cousins for one year. (if he is tagged)
Heck, I bet he hopes he gets tagged. It's the best for both parties. Cousins gets paid and Washington gets to see if Cousins is for real. Win, win.
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I don't think it would be happen, but that would be great for the Browns. They would get a young qb who is just coming into his own and not have to take a desperate chance on a very risky qb w/the second overall pick in the draft.
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If our think tank (led by Hue) truly doesn't believe in one of the prospect at #2 will be their Franchise QB, without a doubt our best option out there. Better than Osweiller.
Now we still can take a QB at number to and sign Cousins at a 30mil 2 year contract. I really don't see Cousins wanting to sing here Long term. He could do great and want to extend that contract. 30 mil most of it guaranteed is a short term investment. Making a pick at #2 still viable and develop the QB. Cousins is younger than McCown who could still stay on as the #2 and help develop the kid.
I don't think Cousins will be GREAT. But he is more consistent than a Hoyer and has a better arm. A lot has to do with what our Think Tank evaluates from the drat prospect available at #2.
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If our think tank (led by Hue) I missed that quote from Haslam. I heard him say that S. Brown had the ultimate say. I never heard anything about Hue being the leader of the Browns "think tank." Do you have access to that report? Would you share it w/us, please?
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Come on man...I'm not Daman... It would force me to stalk all your posts and ask for your REPORT if you make a statement like that...lol
Hue is the HC given more power than any other we had (maybe Butch). Its Hue's Team, Its Hue's O, Its Hue's QB for all of it. Hue ONLY ANSWERS to HASLAM.
I think my statement that regarding the QB position we will have a think tank LED BY HUE. If you have a Report proving that wrong by all means produce it. 
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I wasn't trying to call you out. I just keep reading different interpretations of who is the guy who is "in charge" of making decisions. I mean.........I have read things like Haslam saying that Brown has ultimate control over the roster, and things like this... Brown has no hesitancy in deciding the 53-man roster. Owner Jimmy Haslam put a former salary-cap guy in charge of picking the players. Brown does not blink. "This is my 12th season in the league," he said. "I've been in and around a lot of strategic decisions in terms of how to build rosters. I think one of my strengths is to be able to bring people together and form a consensus, take information and make good, strategic decisions. We will make a series of those, and in time we will see those translate on the field." Brown emphasized people working together, and said coach Hue Jackson will have major input on personnel. It could work brilliantly. Johnny Unitas was cut by the Steelers before he went to the Hall of Fame in Baltimore. But the fact remains that the Browns have a guy heading the personnel decisions who did not come from a personnel background. Brown himself admitted that watching film will become a much bigger part of his job. "Because I do have the final say over the 53, you guys will be aiming at me, and that's exactly right," Brown said. "I am accountable for that." http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns...ning-the-browns...but, I haven't read that Hue will be the lead man, except from some posters. So....I was just wondering if I missed something? I admit that I find the entire set-up of the new Brown's organization most confusing. 
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Just for the record I was not mad at you...sometimes I'm seething when I read something. On this is was just a come on man and further explained myself.
Also one thing I'd like to add on many of those articles it was right after we made the promotion and hire of Sashi and Paul but PRIOR to us hiring Hue Jackson.
Read more articles after we hired Hue Jackson about the POWER and how it would look to me that he especially on the call of QB has the power. The rest will be tools given to him to help make that decision.
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Vers, I must say that I believe with the demand for Hue, there had to be some kind of deal made with him to land his services. I'd bet money that part of the deal was for him to have say over the QB position to build his team with as part of the reason he came here.
I have nothing at all to confirm that. But I can't think of any logical reason for Hue to have signed as HC here without something a little more than money in mind. Every owner writes big checks.
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The only talent evaluator in the FO is the new guy, Berry. He's like 27 years old. Out of the whole lot of them that leaves Jackson as the only other with player evaluation skills. So I think Hue will have a lot of input, especially on the QB. Maybe only the QB. I don't know.
But I could hardly see a scenario where the only guy in the room with any experience at all working with QBs is not the guy choosing the QB. I could see his choice being shot down if he wants the Denver kid or Cousins in FA but Sashi doesn't like the contract demands, but a drafted QB has to be completely Hue's choice. Nothing else makes sense.
Of course, in Browns Town, very little ever makes sense so it's all up in the air.
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[quote] I never heard anything about Hue being the leader of the Browns "think tank."
That is the athletically and NFL-politically correct line that is spewed forth, complete with Hue reporting directly to owner... In reality that may likely be different.
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So, you and Pit are saying that I am wrong despite actually providing quotes and Hue is in charge despite no one w/the Browns saying that? Interesting.
Pit, I have a question for you. Can you provide links that confirm that Hue turned down other jobs? I missed those articles.
I did read that he was interviewing w/other clubs. Then again, I read where quite a few guys were interviewing w/multiple clubs. I did read from reporters that Hue was a favorite in a place or two, but then again, I also read where Philly was going to hire Coughin, SF was going to hire the senior Shannahan, Tampa Bay Kelly, and Indy was getting Saban.
Btw...........anyone have the details of Hue's contract?
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I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm not even saying I'm right which I think I made clear in my post.
Because no one w/the Browns is saying that leads some, like me, to speculate on what I think might make sense. Because it doesn't make sense to me that the FO would ignore what Hue is telling them about a QB and then go on to get someone Hue doesn't like.
Do they want to win or do they want to ignore the only person in the building with any experience developing a QB?
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No one from the Browns is saying? Did you read this? Quote: Brown has no hesitancy in deciding the 53-man roster. Owner Jimmy Haslam put a former salary-cap guy in charge of picking the players. Brown does not blink. "This is my 12th season in the league," he said. "I've been in and around a lot of strategic decisions in terms of how to build rosters. I think one of my strengths is to be able to bring people together and form a consensus, take information and make good, strategic decisions. We will make a series of those, and in time we will see those translate on the field." Brown emphasized people working together, and said coach Hue Jackson will have major input on personnel. It could work brilliantly. Johnny Unitas was cut by the Steelers before he went to the Hall of Fame in Baltimore. But the fact remains that the Browns have a guy heading the personnel decisions who did not come from a personnel background. Brown himself admitted that watching film will become a much bigger part of his job. "Because I do have the final say over the 53, you guys will be aiming at me, and that's exactly right," Brown said. "I am accountable for that." http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns...ning-the-brownsI'll dig more quotes up if you insist, but I really don't get this adament about things unless I have researched it.
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I'm familiar with that entire quote. I've read it many times before. I take parts like, "coach Hue Jackson will have major input on personnel", and assume that he will have the ultimate say on the QB we draft.
And while I realize the quote is not exactly saying that, I defer to what I consider makes common sense when I speculate /assume that he will have final say on a drafted QB. Nothing else makes sense to me since no one else in the building has the experience/success in developing a QB. If someone else there, Sashi Brown for instance, trumps Jackson on the choice of a drafted QB then to me, and maybe only to me, it makes no sense at all.
At most all the other positions I can see Brown taking the bulk of the advice from those other than Jackson, (while Jackson may still be included). I don't think Jackson has played the part of a GM evaluating the trenches and skill players on both sides of the ball to be that guy to make all those decisions.
The quote does say Brown has final say over the 53 but I can't imagine he's so full of himself that he thinks, even with a consensus, that he can pick a QB for Jackson to develop better than Jackson can do that himself.
Also in that quote Brown talks about, "bringing people together and form a consensus", as well as, "take information and make good, strategic decisions". He doesn't say he will Lord it over everyone like a know-it-all.
He also admits that watching film will become a much bigger part of his job which is also to say that watching film has not been a major part of his job thus far which is also admitting that his evaluating skills are not top notch like one would expect from an experienced GM which is also to say that he'll likely be leaning heavily on Berry and Jackson for player evaluation. If all that follows to be true then I assume that Jackson will have final say on a drafted QB because to me it's the only thing that makes sense.
I'm not saying this whole thing sucks, it's stupid and will never work. Neither am I saying I love this new approach and I'm sure it will do wonders for this team. I get both positive and negative vibes from this whole thing. It's new territory and I don't understand it. But I reserve the right to specualte and make assumptions in the gray areas where the information is lacking. I can't take their quotes as the full, literal information as there's too much missing I'd like to know.
I read this, "Because I do have the final say over the 53, you guys will be aiming at me, and that's exactly right," Brown said. "I am accountable for that", and it sounds a lot like no one else will be helping him make decisions, but we both know that is not true. The truth lies somewhere between him calling all the shots and him taking a lot of advice from others, and I'll add here, especially in an area where one of the others is far more experienced, knowledgeable and successful.
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"bringing people together and form a consensus"
To me, that quote doesn't mean build consensus towards whatever Brown feels. I don't think it will be all that hard to find the common ground on the top picks. There may be some cases at the bottom end of the draft where Brown will have to decide who's side he is on, but I don't think we will be draftiong a QB the coach doesn't like or want.
I think we are worrying about the coach not having a large voice in the room when I think it will be the opposite. I think he will have the most heard voice in the room. That doesn't mean we might not go a different way, but it's foolish to think Jackson is going to be some guy stuck in the corner only answering questions when called upon.
This is all new. I get questioning things, but it isn't logical to think the coach isn't going to have a big say on the direction we take.
We have coaches and scouts with eyes on the players. We have a team committed to running a system to arrive at decisions. I like this way a whole lot better than one guy making the decisions.
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I made it obvious in my post that it was strictly an opinion Vers.
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I think Mohamed Sanu is a quality player, but he is not really going to change things on his own. In his best season he had 790 yards. We are talking about a #2 receiver at best here.
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I think Mohamed Sanu is a quality player, but he is not really going to change things on his own. In his best season he had 790 yards. We are talking about a #2 receiver at best here. You can't assess worth from his stats. At best #2 - what if he can actually grow. 790 yds that is with AC Green what if we don't have an AC Green does he get targeted more...can he improve?
I really like kid he is the Bengal WR FA I hope we go for. What he becomes probably will depend who our QB is throwing him the ball.
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I really like kid he is the Bengal WR FA I hope we go for. What he becomes probably will depend who our QB is throwing him the ball. I agree with this. I think Mohamed Sanu is a quality player, but he is not really going to change things on his own. In his best season he had 790 yards. We are talking about a #2 receiver at best here. You can't assess worth from his stats. At best #2 - what if he can actually grow. 790 yds that is with AC Green what if we don't have an AC Green does he get targeted more...can he improve? There are plenty pf #2 receivers that have great numbers (especially when there QB throws for 3398 yards like Dalton did in 2014). I am fine with signing Sanu, I just don't want to pay for things he's never done before. It is also worrisome that Sanu was demoted when Marvin Jones came back from injury. I'd take Jones over Sanu even if he costs more.
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Unless its a low end guy where we are paying close to the minimum - you will over pay in FA regardless who.
I don't know maybe it was against the Browns but Sanu always impressed me with his skills.
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Unless its a low end guy where we are paying close to the minimum - you will over pay in FA regardless who.
I don't know maybe it was against the Browns but Sanu always impressed me with his skills. Like I said above, I think he is a quality player.
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I don't know maybe it was against the Browns but Sanu always impressed me with his skills.
In 2013 Sanu had games of 3 catches for 19 yards and 2 catches for 11 yards against the Browns In 2014 Sanu had games of 2 catches for 20 yards and 1 catch for 4 yards against the Browns. in 2015 Sanu had games of 3 catches for 25 yards and 0 catches for 0 yards against the Browns. Sanu is closer to a #3 guy than a #2. Let's not bring him here and have unrealistic expectations of making him something he is not. Sanu can be a contributor on a team. Link
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As I stated "I DON"T KNOW" and "MAYBE" What I do know is there was more than one time when I went WOW...and liked the kid...could have been vs Steelers or Ravens...don't think I saw too many Bengals out of division games???
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Rams have released DE Chris Long, LB James Lauranitis, and TE Jared Cook. Per @RamsNFL (official Rams twitter account.)
They even twitter mentioned them. Wow. Stay classy, Rams.
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Rams have released DE Chris Long, LB James Lauranitis, and TE Jared Cook. Per @RamsNFL (official Rams twitter account.) Wow. I knew Long was an option but I guess I'm surprised by Lauranitis....has he been dealing with injuries? I feel like he has.
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Rams have released DE Chris Long, LB James Lauranitis, and TE Jared Cook. Will update with source when available. Whoa. Laurinaitis is like the Joe Thomas of linebackers. I think he has played 100% of snaps since being drafted. That's insane for a linebacker. Chris Long would be a great fit as a defensive end in a 3-4. I would love to have him. (Here's your link: https://twitter.com/RamsNFL/status/700768130692349952)
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Rams have released DE Chris Long, LB James Lauranitis, and TE Jared Cook. Will update with source when available. Whoa. Laurinaitis is like the Joe Thomas of linebackers. I think he has played 100% of snaps since being drafted. That's insane for a linebacker. Chris Long would be a great fit as a defensive end in a 3-4. I would love to have him. (Here's your link: https://twitter.com/RamsNFL/status/700768130692349952) Looks like they are freeing up cap space to sign their DBs. Albert Breer Verified account @AlbertBreer By cutting Chris Long, James Laurinaitis and Jared Cook, the Rams save $24.375 million on their 2016 cap. They'll carry ~ $4.7M in dead $$. Tweet
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I guess I don't know enough about his current abilities, but it seems to me that signing Lauranitis, based on his reputation and past performance, would improve our linebacker corps immediately.
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I guess I don't know enough about his current abilities, but it seems to me that signing Lauranitis, based on his reputation and past performance, would improve our linebacker corps immediately. Laurinaitis has never played in a 3-4 in his entire career.
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I'm not exactly sure why playing middle linebacker in a 4-3 his entire career means he is incapable of playing well in a 3-4. It seems to me the 4-3 MLB is the most demanding of all the LB roles. It also seems to me that having played 4-3 MLB would be an advantage to a 3-4 MLB.
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I'm not exactly sure why playing middle linebacker in a 4-3 his entire career means he is incapable of playing well in a 3-4. It seems to me the 4-3 MLB is the most demanding of all the LB roles. It also seems to me that having played 4-3 MLB would be an advantage to a 3-4 MLB. Usually 3-4 inside linebackers are a little bigger than Laurinaitis. I hope we don't sign him because I have to look up his name each time to figure out how to spell it.
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Laurinaitis is like the Joe Thomas of linebackers. I think he has played 100% of snaps since being drafted. That's insane for a linebacker. James Laurinaitis played 99.7 percent of all defensive snaps in his career for the Rams (7,498 of 7,519). Only missed 21 snaps in 7 seasons https://twitter.com/wgsmit3/status/700787945251348481
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Usually 3-4 inside linebackers are a little bigger than Laurinaitis. This doesn't convince me he wouldn't improve our LB corps. I hope we don't sign him because I have to look up his name each time to figure out how to spell it. Heh, but your OK with Ifo Ekpre-Olomu? 
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