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Hangover symptoms and concussion symptoms are pretty similar...

Is it possible Manziel was drunk and had a concussion?

The only thing is, the club nor its coaches make the call on the concussion protocol. That's done by an independent doctor that has no association with the team. That's now an NFL mandate.

So actually, the entire story holds zero merit in as far as I can tell given the protocol in place.

Was the doctor bald, with a goatee, a stutter, and named Pike Mettine?

Concussion protocol, sponsored by, Budweiser.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/147475...-had-concussion

I think Manziel is on lean. It doesn't sound like he was drunk.

the end of the Johnny Football error...

They can make the call on sending him to the team doctors to initiate the process. Given the symptoms he was exhibiting, it's an easy call.

LOL isn't that what Europe used to say about Georgia?

and to think I gave up drinking for concussions

I always felt ripped off because I never have flashbacks.

'Von Miller was Super Bowl MVP but all he wanted to talk about was Johnny Manziel'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/earl...johnny-manziel/

By Cindy Boren February 8

Von Miller, the Super Bowl MVP, had someone else on his mind not long after the last of the confetti had fallen at Levi’s Stadium.

Miller was thinking of Johnny Manziel, the troubled Cleveland Browns quarterback who, like Miller, attended Texas A&M.

“Johnny Man, you know it’s a hard time,” Miller said. “I’ve been in the same situation. Just keep grinding. I’m here with you, brother. Keep grinding, you, too, can do it … I love you.”

Early Monday morning, that was a message he repeated on Instagram, writing: “I Love you fam! Grind, get back to Johnny all the ags know and love, Grind bro, 2yrs ago they counted me out, 2yrs frm now you can do the same!! Support no matter what! #love”

Miller, the No. 2 pick in the 2011 NFL draft, was referring to his six-game suspension in 2013 for violating the NFL’s drug policy.

Manziel has made more headlines for partying than for football and remains under investigation for an alleged incident involving his ex-girlfriend. That prompted his father to say that he fears Manziel “won’t live to see his 24th birthday.”

it might not matter, but Von has some ties to the guy. i understand why Von wanted to show some support.

my only wish is that these messages finally get through his head, before it's too late for his life.

Just trade Manziel for Osweiler..

Everyone wins.

Following the team statement, Silver tweeted he regretted saying the team lied and said he would take the team at their word regarding Manziel's diagnosis. Link

This, on the surface, doesn't seem overly sincere and in no way balances the original statement. Why can't they get their "facts" straight before opening their mouths? Is this a prime example of "bozo-ness"?

It's the whole rush to judgement thing. Silver telling the sports world that everything is fine with Manziel doesn't get him recognition, making wild accusations does.

But this came across as more or less a non apology apology.

You have to ask yourself, what happened in the last 24 hours to make him back off the Browns lie thing?

If we had a solid player come to us for every bogus and false article written about us over the last year - there's no way we wouldn't be a championship team lol.

It's sad they can publish garbage and lies with no consequences.

Haslam can always ban Silver or espn totally from the locker room

That wouldn't prevent LaCanfora from his usual bs. Nothing can prevent them from publishing out crap from their so called "sources."

And nothing ever will until someone sues them when they can't prove their story lines.

And that won't happen because rarely do reporters reveal their sources. I think when a story comes into question, Such as this one, it's only fair that people know who's accusing them. It's also, IMO fair for say, the Browns to sue Silver or ESPN or whoever to get to the truth.

Believe me, I'm positive that if this story was true the way that Silver reported it,the Browns wouldn't take legal action.

We have seen from the media before, if you give them NO information, then they really go out of their way to speculate and make crap up.. it's a lose/lose.

Very possible. He took a BIG hit that week and it surprised me he wasn't set back to the locker-room for testing right then. The being drunk part? Well we all know that is absolutely possible. Johnny better watch it. He's killing brain cells he can't afford to lose.... Not much up there to begin with.

No WAY Elway is stupid enough to do that. No one is going to trade for a woman beater heading for the waiver wire in a month anyway.... I seriously doubt anyone picks him up for a while. He will almost certainly get suspended. Considering Ray Rice is still out of the league Johnny may not get the warm reception he thinks he will. ONLY thing that might save him is there is no video tape..... Still, Goodell will most likely make an example out of him..... At least I HOPE so. I DESPISE men that assault women. I hope she sues his ass for every last nickle he has. He ranks right up there with tiny ben and Mike Vick in my opinion....

Joe Thomas on the Johnny Manziel saga: 'It's a sad end to the story in Cleveland for Johnny'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/02/joe_thomas_on_the_johnny_manzi.html

By Mary Kay Cabot, Cleveland.com on February 11, 2016 at 10:47 PM, updated February 12, 2016 at 12:29 AM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns left tackle Joe Thomas became a genuine Johnny Manziel fan this season, and he's not enjoying the end of the movie.

"It's a sad end to the story in Cleveland for Johnny,'' Thomas said after an appearance at the Home and Garden Show at the IX Center. "He's a guy that personally I like. I believe he has a lot of talent. He's got the talent to be an NFL quarterback, but it obviously hasn't worked out so far.''

Like others in the building, Thomas began to believe that maybe Manziel could become the Browns quarterback of the future.

"Obviously we hoped Cleveland was going to be where he became that starting NFL quarterback and was the starter in Cleveland for a long time, but it didn't work out for a lot of reasons,'' Thomas said. "I'm sure he'd say that a lot of them were his own fault. So hopefully he'll get his life on track and be able to use those talents at some point here in his career."

More than anything, Thomas is concerned about Manziel's wellbeing. The third-year quarterback is under investigation by the Dallas police for possible domestic violence against his ex-girlfriend Colleen Crowley, and faces suspension by the NFL under its personal conduct policy. His father, Paul, believes he's suicidal, and the Browns will waive him March 9th when the new league year opens.

"It's just a sad turn of events right now,'' said Thomas. "It's hard to really say too much about allegations because plenty of innocent people get accused of things all the time, so you don't really know exactly what happened and obviously I wasn't there so I don't have a first-hand experience to go off of.

"But whatever he's dealing with, I hope that he's able to get that under control and get things straightened out and hopefully if football's important to him, be able to put everything he has in his life into football.

"I hope that he has success with that, but obviously the other things that are going on in his life are more important right now because he needs to get those things solved and straightened out before he wants to make a comeback in football."

Thomas admitted he didn't really see Manziel on Dec. 30th, the morning he was diagnosed with a concussion. NFL Network's Michael Silver reported that Manziel showed up drunk that day and the Browns lied and said he had a concussion. Silver later stood by his story that Manziel was drunk, but said he regretted saying the Browns lied.

"All I know is he complained of concussion symptoms, and then he was gone,'' said Thomas. "As you know, players don't really get the inside scoop on injuries, and that was no different."

As for if Manziel seemed different that morning, he said, "I didn't really see him. I mean the first thing in the morning you have a meeting and you go to lift weights. There's not a lot of interaction until you go out to the walk through with your other teammates. It's kind of like study hall when you're just kind of to yourself when watching film. But, yeah, I guess I didn't really even see him much that day."

While Thomas lamented the unfortunate ending to Manziel's short career in Cleveland, he's hoping the Browns find their quarterback of the future with their No. 2 overall pick. Top candidates are Cal's Jared Goff, North Dakota State's Carson Wentz and Memphis' Paxton Lynch.

"Well, I think we're in really good shape right now,'' said Thomas. "Obviously going into my 10th year I wish this was the position we were in my second or third year. We're probably going to draft a first-round quarterback, the best quarterback in the draft or the second best at worst. And we've got a guy in Josh McCown who's proven he can be a good player when he's starting and healthy.

"[He's] a tremendous mentor. You're not going to find a better mentor as a quarterback in the NFL, and he's better than you could do as a quarterback coach because he's actually on the field showing the kid how to do it. So you've got hopefully the future of the franchise getting drafted in the first round and then you've got Josh mentoring him and coaching him along the way. I can't see a better situation that the Browns could possibly be in than that.''

Thomas stressed that making the right choice this time is key.

"As long as you pick the right quarterback, if there is one out there, the future is really bright for the Cleveland Browns 'cause it doesn't really matter what you do with the rest of the team if don't have a quarterback. I mean it's great to hire a new coach and bring in free agents and stuff, but unless you solve the quarterback piece of the puzzle, you'll be finding a new coach every two years.''

Thomas pointed to the teams that went deep into the playoffs and to the Super Bowl. The quarterbacks included Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer Cam Newton and Aaron Rodgers.

"You look at the teams that are great in the NFL -- they've got great quarterbacks,'' he said. "That's how you have continued, sustained success, especially in our division. I mean there's three really good quarterbacks. So if you want to be competitive in the AFC North, you've got to have a top-flight quarterback."

Thomas, who met Hue Jackson in person at the Super Bowl last week, re-iterated that he wants to be back now that Jackson's on board.

"Yeah, I'm in and super-excited about Hue,'' he said. "I think he's going to do a great job like I said, as long as they hit on that quarterback pick, we're set up for a nice run, something the Browns deserve and the Browns fans deserve. You pick a guy like Ben Roethlisberger, your franchise is good for 15 years. That's what I'm hoping we do in this draft.''

Thomas didn't get a chance to meet Goff or Lynch, who both spent time at Super Bowl events.

"I didn't actually,'' he said. "I was busy having fun, so I didn't get a chance to meet any of those guys, but I would never know how to evaluate a quarterback even if I had a chance. So all I would be evaluating them on is if they're nice people.

Nice or not, for Thomas, it's time to bring on the 25th quarterback to start a game for the Browns since 1999.

Wonder how all the Johnny apologists are feeling now? This guy is a piece of garbage and I now believe he was one of the main reasons the Browns were 3-13. God I hope he doesn't get another chance.

I was one until he was a no show at the last game - at that point I was done with him. I supported the guy, as did a lot of people, and he let everyone down. I hope he can find the help he needs, and I hope he gets a stiff penalty from the league if he did indeed hit his girlfriend - that is low life trash level right there.

I'm pretty sure ThatGuy was joking.

but yeah, I agree with you. Bill is not in a good spot right now.

Exactly, answer their questions, they rip you, don't answer and it's even worse. LOL The Media.. wonderful group of men and women...LOL

He said he regretted saying that the team lied about the concussion, but stands by the statement that Johnny showed up to practice high/drunk/strung out/hung over. He said this was confirmed with multiple players.

Could Johnny have had a concussion? Yes, but my guess is that he realized that a concussion could be a good excuse and responded to the doctor's questions accordingly.

"Does this light bother you?" Yes
"Have you been getting headaches?" Yes....

I have no doubt that most players can fake not having a concussion to an extent. I'm betting it is a lot easier faking that you have one.

As I understand it, the concussion testing involves quite a bit of cognitive testing where a players performance would take a hit regardless of whether he had a concussion or was drunk/high/whatever. Things like memory, balance, reaction time, etc. are tested and if there's a decline from baseline, the player isn't cleared. It could have been faked but it wouldn't even have to be if his mental skills were already lowered from 'having a rough night'.

All he would have to do is say he had a concussion and then the tests would give him cover. There's no way the team could ever question a player who said he had concussion symptoms in the current era of concussion litigation, especially if he did indeed perform poorly on those tests.

Obviously that doesn't mean the Browns did anything wrong, I don't think they did, and it also doesn't necessarily mean that JM faked it. But he could have, and I always thought the timing of things were highly suspicious. That's speculation though.

Agreed.

A doctor is always going to error on the side of caution as well. If you tell the doctor that you have a concussion, he opens himself up to liability if he says that you don't.

Interesting how Joe Thomas is so concerned about Johnny and so sad about Johnny but didn't offer one tiny bit of sympathy or concern about Johnny's victim.

No one from this organization has.

Pathetic.

That's simply not true. Haslam specifically mentioned the victim,and offered hope that she would get whatever help she needs.

We also don't know everything that Joe said. We have snippets and clips, and a reporter's account, but perhaps that was part that was not put into their report. In a story about the team, and football, such a thing may have wound up on the cutting room floor. I'm not saying this definitely happened, but man, Joe's a pretty stand up guy, and to accuse him of supporting Johnny at the expense of his victim is really uncalled for.

thought JF was going to be dealt with on March 9th? no word on that can be found anywhere...are we keeping him?

To my knowledge, nothing has changed.. Not a thing. I don't know what their intent is. Cut, trade, nothing? Reports say he's gone on the 9th of March. But no official word

It is still February.

No one from the team said that. That was the conclusion Mary Kay came to after the quote by Sashi Brown that explained his concerns. Then, Mary Kay's assumption has been repeated all over the web on every site as well as all over the TV shows to the extent that it appears to be a foregone conclusion that he'll be cut March 9th.

Maybe he will be. Maybe not. But like everything Johnny Manziel, all it takes is one person to say something negative about him and everyone jumps on it like it's a fact.

This has to be the greatest witch hunt the NFL has ever seen.

Just like his first year here when anything positive said by anybody was jumped all over like it was a fact.

yea i know but normally there is some sort of tid bit here and there...but lately not a peep...was just curious