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Well, he did mellow out a lot after he had a kid.

Hold up ! Isn't God perfect ? If so why did his original message get construed to be a mistake ? The original Bible was written in Greek since the historians of the day spoke .... Aww man you know what I mean . Choose to ignore factual data to fit your needs if you want be don't try and play word games.

You illustrate perfectly what has always been my problem discussing this with people of faith . You cherry pick phrases, he'll even cherry pick the versions of the Bible you want follow and leave the rest as the misguided metaphors from the under educated forebears of your religion . How it makes sense to you is a mystery . At least you attempted to answer why the Old Testament is no longer followed ...it was an error filled tome that needed perfecting .

Now you really have me confused . YOU know what angers God ! You have a unique understanding about what an omnipotent power thinks about modern events ? You seeing a theme yet ?

Who said His original message was a mistake. When I was a parent, I interacted with my kids one way when they were babies, and differently when they were children, teens, and now as adults. The Torah was for when God's program was in it's incipient state. Just as a child developes from a embroyo to a fetus, to and infant, to a child, to an adolescent, to an adult, God's program developed over time.

There was no fault in any stage of developement. Each stage was perfect for what it was designed for.

His Word reveals His Mind to me.

Ok then . It's your story partner write how ya feel .

I used to use Acts and Romans quite a bit, specifically Romans 3, but only small parts. I figured that since I "believed" in Jesus, and that Paul said that we were no longer under the law, but under grace, I managed to talk myself into believing ... kind of .... that the law was meaningless, and that as a "Christian", I could do anything, because I was already forgiven. I created my own god, by picking out verses here and there that could be twisted into what I wanted them to mean. I can't even remember all of them right now.

I thought that I had given my lie to Christ as a kid, but thinking back, I never really did. I was like the seed thrown on the path, that started to sprout, but was destroyed in the heat of the sun. I came back from a Bible camp, full of faith, but that faith faded as I faced friends who scorned me for my faith. One even said "let me know when you get back to normal and we can hang out". My great "faith" lasted about 2 weeks.

Ironically enough, I can now speak to this old friend of mine about faith in God, and he receives it well. He is in process as a Christian, even though his faith has been shaken by events in his life, and I feel privileged to help him in his faith journey. I pray for him daily. I have also spoken to his wife about matters of faith. It is wonderful to be able to live out my faith, and speak freely about it.

I have another friend who is ..... skeptical. I have not pushed him, but I have brought the Bible and faith into different conversations I have had with him. The last time I saw him, he said something along the lines of how this world is so evil, and he said something about my being very lucky to have my faith. I hope that God will use me to bring him to faith in God as well. He has been a devoted atheist for many years ..... but I think that I feel him starting to change a little. I pray that he will.

I have to say that you have some beautiful writing on this thread, and some amazing testimony. God bless!

We look short term, but God looks long term.

Man wanted a law, so that he could earn his salvation, and justify himself. Thus, God gave man the Law. God then continued to amplify the Law, making it impossible for anyone to obey it completely. Why? Because it is by faith that we are saved, not by the law.

Jesus came to earth, and he further amplified the Law. He took the law about not committing adultery, and included even just lusting after someone as a crime. He took the law against murder, and included hating someone as a crime under the Law.

The point God makes is that we are wholly and completely unable to earn our own salvation. It cannot happen. We can never live a perfect life under the Law. Ever. We all sin, from the time of our birth, to the moment of our death. We are born sinners, into a sinful and evil world.

It is only through faith in Jesus Christ, and accepting him as Lord and Savior that we can be freed from sin's death sentence. Even though we may slip here or there, and sin, it no longer takes us to death, but rather we attain eternal life through Christ, who saves us from our sins.

The Old Testament had its purpose, and reading through the OT from start to finish shows that purpose. Man wants to atone for his own sins. Man thinks that he can do it on his own. The ancient Israelites would stray from God, and within a few generations would be worshiping other gods of other nations. God would show them the error of their ways, and they would then come running back to him, repenting of their actions, and promising to change. Unfortunately, the cycle would repeat over and over again.

God is not overly concerned about life on this earth beyond this:

Did we choose Him, or not?

Did we choose to accept Christ as Lord and Savior, and accept His atoning sacrifice, or not?

Did we treat others as God has commanded us to do, or not?

Have we lived the life of a believer, or not?

Jesus freed us from the consequences of the Law. He takes away the sins of every person ever born ...... if only that person will allow Him to do so.

The Law was created only to show man his sin. Those sins show the need for Jesus Christ. That really is much of the Old Testament in a nutshell. Unfortunately, many rebel, and hate the whole idea of humbling themselves, and relying upon Christ for their salvation, so they do not.

I heard something earlier today, and it makes sense to me.

People have asked me about whether or not someone could accept Christ after he dies. I have always had the idea that such a person could not, because they would not be able to ask for forgiveness. However, there is another thought, and that is that the unrepentant sinner will never ask for forgiveness, because even standing before the Holy God, they will see no need for forgiveness. They will still try to justify themselves. They will reject God, even standing before Him.

That makes sense to me, and it is incredibly sad.

I am really curious as to how that message is at all Biblical?

Uh Oh...

Reading the Bible states, absolutely and completely clearly, what anger God.

Sin angers God. Sin is man's rebellion against God.

Jesus saves us from sin, and from God's wrath. Jesus brings us to forgiveness, and to fellowship with God, as a son or daughter of God ...... if we will only allow Him to do so.

It is always our own choice though.

Well said!!!

It's not my story...It's the same way orthodox Christians have historically believed. From the Apostles, the the ECF, all the way to today. Orthodox Christians have historically viewed the Bible as the Word of God revealing the mind of God.

So it's not just my personal story. No prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation.

As far as the Word of God changing, it is not a matter of being changed, it is a matter of completion as I said before. Just as God could have created all created things in an instant, but chose rather to create in stages, in the same way, God did not give all of His Word at one time, but gave it bits and pieces until Christ came to finish it and put the amen on it.

The doctrine of "progressive revelation" is basically part of Bible 101

everytime i see a good story about religion, i come to the board, and y'all completely screw it up for me. same thing with FB, or hell, anything else.

i mean we got a guy named 40, who swears up and down he's christian, who also has no problem wanting to glass over the entire middle east.

and yes, he's absolutely said he supports that, especially on the old boards.

i see a bunch of people claim they are religious and such, but then i watch republican debates, and there's nothing christian about them.

unless i miss something since i'm not christian? i didn't know wanting to see if the sand can glow is christian like.

don't get me started on the hypocrites that live in the middle east.

just can't do it. when somebody responds to me with a scripture, i just sit there like "....ok? what does that mean to me?"

Religion to me, from my experience and perspective, seems to be nothing more than the greatest tool in the world used to control the masses. that's it. when i look at the work that missionaries do in africa, compare to the population that calls themselves "christians", something isn't adding up.

When i see these TV pastors preach in the name of jesus, yet sit in million dollar mansions, yet not housing any of the homeless, something doesn't add up.

when i see people giving everything they got to the church, but really need medical attention, yet give all their money because of "Faith healing", something doesn't add up.

when i see a bunch of people burn people in cages in the name of Allah, something doesn't add up. when i see muslims bomb other muslims because Allah, something doesn't add up.

when i see that Buddhism had the last modern day slaves, something doesn't add up.

when i see hindu's treat their women the way they do in india, something isn't adding up.

for Religion to be the ultimate path toward being holy, people seem to really do some unholy crap in God's name.

which always made me wonder, is religion really a tool to God, or simply a tool the devil created to get more people going south.

Thank you for sharing your beautiful testimony as well. I was kind of the opposite of you. I was trying hard to keep the commandments in my own strength in my flesh, and I kept failing miserably. Then I would get discouraged by my failure and give up for a while and just backslide. Then I would get really convicted and come back to God and ask Him to forgive me, but then I would still carry that burden of guilt around my neck, and feel like I was just starting over again and again. It became a vicious cycle.

I always felt like I was on probation after I sinned, like God forgave me, but I was always an inch away from needing to get right with God all over again. Then I realized what Hebrews 6 meant when it said "let us move on to perfection, not again laying the foundation of repentance, etc." I was trying to lay the foundation over and over again, but I did not realize THAT THE FOUNDATION WAS ALREADY LAID 2,000 years ago.

So now the guilt is gone. I am nowhere near perfect, but I know the blood of Jesus cleanses me daily from all sin, and I am no longer repeatedly laying the foundation over and over again, but I am resting on what Christ has done, and depending on Him To produce His Righteousness in me.

This story comes from a time 10 or 15 years ago when I was arguing with Swish and I finally said Nuke the whole middle east and plant wheat for Israel.
He has never let go of that one. It is nice to be remembered tho.
I think Swish was only 12 or 13 at the time and may have been traumatized.

Here we are, all these years later, Iran on the verge of getting Nukes, Saudi Arabia saying if Iran gets Nukes, they will get Nukes too and I'm beginning to think maybe it was no joke after all.

Swish has never come to realize that Many of his leaders in war and those dropping the bombs are also Christians. Christians come from all walks of life.

I am sorry that I have caused him grief over our Lord and realize I must spend more time in the Good Book and take a new look at my relationship with God.

This was supposed to be a reply to YTOWN, not myself LOL.

You make a lot of valid points about religion. A lot of the stuff you mentioned angers me as well

Preaching for money is about the biggest sin a person can commit. The Bible condemns these types of people in no uncertain terms. Hypocrisy is detested by the Lord. He told the people who wanted to follow Him "Why do you call me Lord, but don't do the things that I say". Professed Christians that hate others are straight out disobeying Jesus.

I do not consider my relationship with God a religion. Its much more than that.

You say that religion is a way to control the masses. THat is true of some religions, but not true of the faith that I am a part of. My spiritual forebears have almost never been in control. The people in power usually have persecuted and tried to wipe us out. At least this is true of the type of Christian I am. I am of the Christian stock that was burned, tortured, thrown to lions, racked, and slaughtered by other so called Christians and governments alike. My spiritual forefathers were very rarely in control. We were the ones that were being killed left and right.

The only thing I am is a person who used to hate God until I met Him, now I love Him. My love for God harms no one, gives me a far better life than I had before, causes me to treat my wife and children the way I should, and makes me a better citizen...and it gives me hope for the future and purpose.

I have no problem with you hating religion. I will say this, if you hate God it is only because you don't know Him. I used to hate Him too. If you don't believe in Him, same thing. It's because you don't know Him. If you ever come to meet Him as I have, you will never hate Him or doubt Him again. It is my hope and prayer that you will

God is not responsible for the mess religion often makes. That is counterfeit stuff.

I hate it when I hear preachers telling people that they have to tithe, or they will go to hell!

Jesus never told us to tithe. He said to give gladly, for those who are in need, and those who need help.

That is one of the things that drives me crazy about some churches. Even in my church, we have some older people who get upset because younger people in the church don't tithe, and new people we get in "don't give enough".

I truly wish people like this would sit down and truly read and study their Bibles. Of course, they say they do/have, and they know what it says ..... which is always reason for concern. As Christians, we should always be willing to go to God's Word for our answers. Tithing is mentioned, IIRC, 5 times in the Old Testament, and that was for the support of the Levites, who ran, and administered the Temple of God.

Anyway, that's my rant for today.

If we only give to God because we think we'll go to hell if we don't, that's actually a big problem. Now we're depending on what we can give instead of what Jesus gave to get to heaven.

Love is the proper motivation. God loves a cheerful giver.

BtW, I am called to be a preacher of the Word,and preached for years, but I stepped aside for a while to work through some things that would hinder my ministry. But If I EVER got to the point where I thought of preaching as a job as in primarily a source of income, I would not do it.

Now I have no problem with a church paying full time ministers, but I am talking about attitude and primary motivation here. Money is a tool to further the ministry of the Gospel, the gospel is not a tool to make money. Those who use it in that way are going to have a lot to answer to God for.

But a good minister does not teach giving for this reason. Every church I have attended believes in tithing, but I believe that it is because they believe it is biblical, not for gain. If I suspected otherwise, I would leave and not look back. But I have had close relationships to most of my pastors, and most of them I know well enough to be confident that they are good sincere men. (I have gone mostly to smaller churches and many pastors I know had "tentmaker" ministries like Paul)

I belong to the United Methodist Church, and many of our smaller churches have part time Pastors who are either retired, or have other, full time, professions. (and/or working spouses)

This is both good, and bad ..... as it keeps churches open that would otherwise have closed, but it often really wears out these men, who are working full time at their regular profession, and then working "part time" at their church ..... (but often work 40+ hours as Pastor, and handling continuing education requirements as well)

I am not clergy. I am Lay Servant, currently, which means that I am able to preach from the pulpit in my home church.

I am working towards Lay Speaker. This would allow me to do other things, like preaching from the pulpit of other churches, and so on. I could even be offered a small church as a part time Pastor. (which I don't think I could handle effectively with my physical condition) Fortunately, unlike full clergy, I could never be sent somewhere I did not want to go.

Guns don't kill people.

If you put your faith in people you will always be disappointed.

quote above by YTown:

"I am really curious as to how that message is at all Biblical?"

It's a story out of the bible. That makes it a biblical story.

A story (according to the Merriam Webster Collegiate Dictionary), is "a narrative, either true or fictitious, in prose or verse, designed to interest, amuse, or instruct the hearer or reader; tale."

It did all those to me. And at the very least, it makes it a message to me.

This is your spirit:



This is your spirit without thought:



Any questions?

I understand that the account of the temptation of Jesus is in the Bible, but I do not consider the Bible to be a mere narrative. It is the Word of God.

If you don't believe that account, why believe any of the Bible? If you start to edit and discount parts of the Bible, then is the whole worth anything? I don't think so.

A Christian is supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, and especially the Gospels of Jesus Christ. The Bible is the Word of God, written through human hands, by God Himself. I don't believe that human has the right to edit or change it. In fact, there are warnings in the Bible on just that very subject.

If you believe in the Bible at all, I would suggest that you have a look at the Bible.

Here are a few verses to consider:

Psalms 30:5-6

5Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. 6Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.

Deuteronomy 4:2 has a similar warning.

The Bible ends with this warning:

Revelation 22:18-21

18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. 20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.

I believe that your Pastor is playing with fire, literally, in trying to change the account of the life of Jesus Christ to something contrary to what the Bible says. You may find it interesting, but it is highly dangerous, if you believe in what the Bible teaches. If you don't, then I have to wonder; Why be a Christian at all? What do you get out of being a Christian, if you don't believe the account of the life of Jesus?

Matthew 24:24, warns us against false teachers, who will try to deceive even the elect. I would ask that you be very careful with the kind of "teaching" this man is doing. I am very concerned for your church, if this is the kind of "Bible teaching" that is being done. If he is going to change what the Bible says, then why use the Bible at all?

I truly believe that the Bible is God's Holy Word, and intentionally changing its words or meanings is the same as creating one's own god, which is idolatry. You are, of course, free to do as you please, but please consider this warning, and the warnings in the Bible.

Religion is a cultural system of behaviors and practices, world views, ethics, and social organisation that relate humanity to an order of existence. About 84% of the world's population is affiliated with one of the five largest religions, namely Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism or forms of folk religion.

Faith = strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

Most folks get the two things confused IMO. As for me I believe Religion is the organisation and instigator of doctrine and tradition.
Faith is the relationship you have with God and is the true basis for a spiritual journey. Faith changes your heart and makes you want to obey God rather than being presented with a list of dos and don'ts to earn God's love. Religion says it's about what you do or don't do. Faith says it's all about WHAT JESUS HAS DONE. He's done everything, he lived the life we couldn't live and died the death we should've died.

Summed up perfectly!!

In response to Rocky Hill...I don't know why some people who call themselves Christians or believers in God struggle with or balk at believing in the supernatural events described in the Bible.I am familiar with it, but I never understood the rationale of it. Basically if you claim to believe in God, then you believe in supernaturalism, because the God of the Bible is supernatural

I can understand why atheists would question miracles and supernatural occurances, but I scratch my head when preachers feel the need to try to explain away miracles and supernatural occurancesn as if they couldnt possibly happen. IF God exists, then supernatural occurances exist, for God is supernatural.

I think some forms of Christianity have been unduly affected by philosophical Naturalism, but the two systems of thought are INCOMPATIBLE

Just throwing in a Zika update here...

Zika virus: WHO backs GM mosquito trials

The World Health Organization (WHO) has backed trials of genetically modified (GM) mosquitoes that could be used in the fight against the Zika virus.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35585656

I feel much safer now.

Carry on y'all

so if God is angry, why does he provide the people with the brain power to stop diseases and develop technology to respond to natural disasters?

you guys's reasonings just doesn't make sense...like...ever.

a pissed off god wouldn't allow us to get rid of his "wrath".

stop being so doom and gloom all the time. there is a sky outside bro. and it's beautiful.

Oh, I wouldn't want to mislead you about God again so you better ask someone else on these matters.

If you do some research, you may find that there is some believe the Zika virus is spreading so fast due to another genetically modified mosquito. I'll have to look it up, but feel free to do it yourself.

Great!
There goes my feeling safer!

If I eat GM corn and fish, will a Mosquito die from biting me?

are you pregnant?

New theory saying that the mosquitoes are not causing the birth defect but a chemical used to control them produced by a company linked to Monsanto is to blame.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/133548...eak-doctors.htm

Zika also has a strong correlation with causing guillain-barré syndrome. That's an auto-immune disease where your immune system attacks part of your nervous system.

ok, so i have to ask:

how many people have died from Zika compared to ebola?

how bad is the situation since we have already identified the problem before it was a serious outbreak?

with the prevention methods out there, and treatment already available.....how does this show that God is angry, again? because this is the ultimate question to the main point of the thread.

I don't have the stats, and your previous posts state you won't believe me anyway. Please feel free to look it up.

The WHO has declared Zika a global emergency. Take that however you want. This has spread all over the globe since it was identified as a health crisis in just a few months. I'm starting to think this one is genetically modified, as it was discovered years ago and never spread.

The only treatment is to treat symptoms, and there is no cure. Prevention is 'don't get bit', and we no longer use DDT. I have no idea if god is angry. He doesn't confide in me.

We've already established that not every calamnity in the world is a result of God being angry. God is angry, but His mercy is holding His Wrath back for now.

You seem to think that we are saying that God is ALREADY pouring out His wrath on the earth. Not even close! We are still living in the period of Mercy/Grace. The wrath of God is during the seven vials, which are preceded by the seven trumps which are warnings, and the seven trumps are preceded by seven seals, which is the unfolding of history

The outpouring of God's wrath has not begun yet. I believe that the calamnities that we are experiencing right now are MOSTLY nothing more than the NATURAL CONSEQUENCES of our rebellion against God, basically reaping what we have sown. IN addition, we're not getting as much as we deserve, but God is actually RESTRAINING evil in the world at this present time to a certain extent. It could be MUCH WORSE, and MUCH WORSE by our own hand, not God's, not satan, we are the archetects of our own problems

In the future, God is going to shake things up to warn the world that the wrath is coming. He is warning us now, and those warnings will become even stronger. The world will exhaust God's Grace period, and then the wrath will fall.



The wrath to come is a Just wrath. Where justice is meted out. Right now, we are living under God's MERCY


GOd wants to save YOU from the wrath to come...