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https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/14-women-were-brutally-attacked-140600254.html?nhp=1

Pretty pathetic. And this has been an ongoing problem that yes, people just don't wanna talk about.

I hate when ya act like a woman is obligated to speak to them. If she says no, or just walks away, then keep it moving.

Whats to talk about? We have mentally ill people in our society?

We have all come to this conclusion long ago.

The question is how do we protect ourselves from these people?

You chalked this up to mental illness?

"You don't love me so I must kill you."

Yea, Nuts.

I'd chalk it up to poor parenting.

That's also what I thought. Most of the time, when dudes act like this, they learned it from somewhere.

I'm pretty sure people are talking about it. Maybe not these 14 cases specifically but there is an on-going national discussion about violence against women, date rape, rape, and domestic violence.

I would have to ask because I don't know... are statistics up for this kind of violence against women? I mean, it's deplorable, it's always been deplorable, but if statistics aren't above what people are used to, it's not going to get any more attention than it normally does.

As for why it's happening, I guess on some level it's always happened.. if statistics are up, I would look to one thing for the cause... Porn. I read a study a while back about how porn is skewing men's view of women.. they have these "scenes" a woman on the street or in the mall or at the grocery store, gets "picked up" by a guy in about 2 minutes, goes home and has sex with one or more guys whom she has never met. Dude it's all over the internet. It's not hard to imagine how somebody with poor social skills and a weak mind, who sits and watches this stuff for hours at a time could be led to believe that this is real.... that women walking down the street are just waiting for a guy to ask so they can go home and have sex with them. So the loser builds up the courage to ask, get's shot down, and reacts violently... because hell, everybody else is getting it.

Again, poor parenting. If you raise stupid children that have no social skills, it's due to poor parenting.

I'd argue it's been going on for centuries, if not thousands of years. What's different now is that women feel comfortable to speak out against it.

Look at dominant society. Who has been in power? Men. Men make the rules, determine waht's acceptable, etc. Now we're becoming a more diverse global society with women leaders, rulers, and agents of change.

Much now gets brought to light about what's been going on.

'A husband should beat his wife so long as it does not make her ugly': Palestinian leader gives horrific advice for dealing with a rocky marriage.
Hassan al-Laham, mufti of Gaza, was speaking on Palestinian Authority TV

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...y-marriage.html

ok, thats terrible, but we know the middle east is trash.

we're talking about america, 40. try staying in the country instead of trying to make comparison.

Oh, you didn't say "Only in America" in your original post.
I thought this Thread was about the abuse of women by men.

I read this also...and to ad one point..the porn is also getting more violent in nature...more aggressive..spitting in the woman's face fake rape ect..and it has to have some kind of impact with the amount of people watching massive amounts of it....also in the same article it talked about men having problems with achieving their happy ending and in extreme cases impotence with their spouse/partner

I have a very happy wife in this area and I'm glad Ive not needed porn since I was very young

Porn is to real sex as fried food/trans fat/sugary pop is to healthy food. They're poor substitutes and wreak havoc on the system in a variety of ways.

As for porn, everything DC and FBHO wrote is true about it being highly unrealistic and overly optimistic, etc. Much of it is also highly aggressive bordering on violent. Keep in mind that I'm talking about the mainstream stuff that is readily available to anyone on some of the highest bandwidth using sites on the internet.

Boys aren't learning about sex and women through their parents or health class or whatever. They learn about it through porn. Nearly all adolescent boys and young men watch it.

A lot of guys get absolutely wrecked on porn. It just isn't talked about due to the taboo nature of the subject. I personally stopped watching it a long time ago and as crazy as this sounds, I can pick out a heavy porn user from a mile away. There's this general creepiness, like my mind is flashing 'stay away from this person!', and there are more overt signs that can be picked up like general depression, apathy, lack of self-confidence etc. To anybody out there who thinks I'm crazy, quit yourself and you'll see that I speak the truth. If you don't trust my judgement, ask a female that you're close with. Women usually have a much better 'awareness' on this than men do.

Porn doesn't just rewire the expectations and nature of sex. It also has very negative consequences on the brain. The old-timers out there have to realize that porn today is different, for a variety of reasons:

1. As noted above, there is the unrealistic and often violent nature of it and increasingly so

2. There's so much of it that people can (and do) watch hundreds of different clips at a time, searching for the perfect shot, etc. and you could do this every day and only watch a tiny portion of the porn that's out there. This rewires a person's brain to seek out change, novelty, and excitement. Another thing to ask women is their experience with dating. The great majority have trouble finding men who will show any degree of commitment (even far less than historical norms)

Due to the type and amount of content and how this can all be streamed in real time in high-def with modern internet connections, porn has evolved into something that dramatically overloads the brain with stimuli. The brain just can't handle it. Well it can, but there are dire consequences for it. Porn studies of the past few years show this in depressing detail, from reduced brain size (yes, really), depression, sky-rocketing rates of E.D. in otherwise healthy young men, etc. Here's a good collection of some of the recent brain studies on porn users: http://yourbrainonporn.com/brain-scan-studies-porn-users

So take this reality that virtually all young men watch porn, some tolerate it fine but others handle it very poorly, that this mainstream porn is aggressive and sometimes violent, and that it leads to addiction-related brain changes that in and of itself lead to depression, inhibit the ability for logical thinking and emotional regulation etc. and yes porn is a huge factor in violence to women. It's not the only factor of course.

Wow that's interesting stuff haus. DC and FBH, I never really thought porn would have hat big of an effect

I'm glad you found it interesting. I don't make it a point to go out of my way to talk about porn as it's not something that comes up regularly in conversation, lol.

Everything I wrote about the status of porn is obviously true, the effects of porn are very much accurate, how exactly it affects the rates of violence toward women is more up for debate. Some of that latter bit is speculation/my interpretation although I have seen research that has supported it. I've also seen research that suggests porn use actually lowers rates of sexual assualt against women in a sort of counterintuitive way, maybe because heavy porn use has a way of making a man docile. Like the stimulus/dopamine rush is so great that everything else just seems kind of boring in comparison, almost like video games on steroids (again, just some speculation there on my part).

Uh, what is porn anyway?

Is that them half naked ladies you see thru a Stereoscope? Kinda 3D like?

Let's be honest, you can learn the health aspect from your parents or in school.. but most boys learned about sex in the backseat of a Chevy or in the basement when their parents went out to dinner. And there was a girl there, just as nervous, just as inexperienced, but you were able to learn IMMEDIATELY what was appropriate and what was not. Now these boys start watching porn at about age 9 or 10 and they think they know everything before their first actual experience.. and everything they think they know is based on lies.

I have a friend who is a psychiatrist and the addiction is very real and the unwanted effects from it are very real...

One of the big problems is that it creates feelings of inadequacy... the way porn clips are filmed, you are led to believe these sex scenes actually go on for hours... normal guys feel bad if they can't last forever.. the women are usually fairly well built with fake boobs so guys can't get aroused by their "normal" looking wife.. plus the guys are usually well endowed, well above what is average, so the guy feels inadequate... then there are the positions and the freaky things the women will do that most women won't.. so guys start feeling like either something is wrong with them or their wife is a "prude" because she won't do these things...

and you are right hasugopher... it's becoming ok to stand and admit to people at work or at church or in your neighborhood that you have a problem with alcohol and you are seeking help for it.. People will support you. You say you have an addiction to porn they will look at you like a pervert and refuse to let their daughters come to your house any more to play with your kids...

If you have an addiction to porn you should get mental help. It is considered an illness.

my question is...what was causing the harassment of women prior to porn?

because this isn't a new problem.

Men have had lust in their heart since the dawn of time (and violence for that matter).. most control it but some can't. I just think the number who can't is growing...

If you have time to kill read up on it, its a real problem...especially when they start watching very young...it does warp the reality of what intimacy is and what women want and how.

I thought it was kind of goofy at first...but man the more I read it is sound science behind this stuff. I found it fascinating...and Haus. article hits on it....The porn industry has changed its not your 1970's type stuff anymore.

Ted Bundy was started down his murderous path by porn. That guy raped and killed over 20 women. And that was in the 70's/80's.

What would qualify as a porn addiction? How much is too much? Is watching any amount acceptable? I don't really expect you to answer those questions. They're not rhetorical; they're just really hard to answer.

One thing that I found interesting is that one of the major porn sites regularly releases demographic and search data, and one of the striking facts was that bandwidth used from smart phones has overtaken bandwidth used from computers in the U.S with tablets being a distant third.

Think about that-- people are watching more porn on their phones than they are the computer. It's everywhere. I've had friends pull up videos at the bar, seen a stranger watching it in line at Chipotle, it's like people just have no shame anymore. Maybe we're looking at an addicted society.

I would think porn addiction becomes a problem needing treatment when:

1) It affects your relationship with others, such as your wife
2) It takes over your life to the point it hurts/prevents normal activities.
3) It becomes an obession that comsumes a large percentage of your time.

At that point you should receive some counceling.

I would agree that in all 3 cases, that would obviously be an addiction.

The thing is that sex drive is already very potent in men. None of us would be here if that weren't the case. Porn hijacks that to an extent and is actually far more stimulating than actual sex. That's might seem odd because it's such a poor substitute, but the sheer number of insanely sexualized women doing the most hardcore and freaky things (even just in video) just makes one normal looking woman doing normal things boring in comparison. That's the brain's primitive reward system in play there. It's hard for most men to just watch small amounts of relatively tame porn.

It almost always escalates in terms of amount watched or the intensity of the videos. The most popular/searched for genres makes this abundantly clear. My advice for men out there is to never watch it-- just completely eliminate it as a possibility from your life. Anybody who actually takes that advice can thank me sometime down the road.

Can't define it but I know it when I see it.

We are being desensitized to all kinds of thing in this society in which we live; sex, violence, lies, hatred .... and the list goes on .... but they all fall under one main heading: evil.

Young people are being more and more isolated, in that personal interaction is becoming more rare. Text messaging has overtaken verbal conversations. I almost laugh, until I realize how sad it is, to watch 2 young people, sitting across from one another, both texting away ...... one laughs ...... the other looks confused ..... then they get this "aha" look, and laugh ...... it is actually pretty scary.

Back to evil, though ...... We live in a fallen world. The Bible tells us that the world is under the rule of the evil one. For those of us who are Christians, the direction of the world should not surprise, us, even though it does grieve us.

Oh, and before anyone asks me ... I absolutely stand against abuse of anyone. I have had friends who were raped, or abused, and it is absolutely, 100%, completely wrong. Always.

The type of attacks in this article are just part of a much larger issue. It is horribly wrong for anyone to have to be concerned about whether or not saying "no" will put her life at risk.

I just know I am tired of all these women treating me as nothing more than a sex object. There is more to me than just being a boy toy for them

I don't think religion needs to be invoked here. Certainly nothing I've written in this thread has anything to do with religion, and I still think that good arguments necessarily can stand without invoking God and all that (I know you disagree with that; I'm just letting others know where I'm coming from).

With that said, I do agree with your overriding point about society going downhill and people being disassociated with each other. It's scary. I know a ton of people who either won't or can't put their phones down and it will only get worse as these phones keep getting better, and even moreso when virtual and augmented reality devices start taking off in coming years.

they are very hard to answer (and even harder to detect in others) because porn, unlike drugs, alcohol, violence, doesn't have the outward symptoms or the lingering effects.

You watch a couple hours of porn one night, you aren't late for work because you are hungover, you don't fail a drug test, you don't get arrested because somebody called the cops.. you just go through a lot of paper towels... and that's not a crime.

And Kimberly Clark thanks you for that.

I wonder if Disability will now cover a Porn addiction?

I believe that many of the issues in life today are the direct result of a loss of morality, and that loss of morality is the direct result of people turning away from God.

It's funny ..... I read the Bible, and much of the Old Testament tells the story of the Israelites, and the way they would turn away from God, only to bring disaster on themselves ..... and then in times of disaster, they would turn back to God.

I look at us today. Following 9/11, we rushed to churches, to find comfort in the face of senseless hatred.

That lasted maybe 2 months, and as we felt safe again, people turned away from God, and back to their everyday pursuits.

I look at how live in this country, and most are not concerned about providing for their families. Well, I shouldn't say that exactly, because they are ..... but their idea of providing for their families involves lots of stuff. Gotta have a house that, in my grandfather's generation, could have housed 3 families. Have to have 3 or 4 cars, so that no one has to share. Oh, we have to have the latest iPhone, and other technology. A 32 inch TV isn't enough, we "need" the 65 inch, and it has to be 3D. Stuff, stuff, stuff, stuff.

Beyond this, we have "entertainment" that puts all kinds of unrealistic images of life and relationships, (including porn, that even some church Pastors admit to watching) and we have people who spread the message of our right to be "happy", no matter the impact on others. We hear messages that imply, or outright state, that if we are not euphoric in our marriages, then get out and try someone else. In many ways, we are told to commit to nothing for life. (except maybe a political party)

Yes, I believe that having people attend churches that actually teach the Word of God, from the Word of God, would improve our society in many ways. Maybe people would think about things before they jump into bed with someone, and create children they cannot, or will not support or care for. Maybe people would think about "what do I need", as opposed to "what do I want, because everyone else has it". Maybe we would have people who are not concerned about "what we should have", and more thankful for the things we do have.

Yes, I believe that if we had more faith in God, and less pursuit of temporal gods; wealth, stuff, sex, and all of the other things the world tells us we have to have in order to be happy, then we would truly be happier. Yes, I believe that teaching the Word of God, from the Word of God, would benefit every single person in this country. I believe that this country has suffered in so many ways as we have moved away from God. You might put a different name on the cause, but I believe that the systematic elimination of God from everyday life is a major contributing factor, and in fact, the primary factor.

This is where what I wrote, "... good arguments necessarily can stand without invoking God..." comes into play.

I agree with a lot of what you say. I just don't think you have to go the religious route to do it. I have no interest in debating ambiguous passages written by men thousands of years ago that have been selectively chosen and often mistranslated through the years.

There is a lot of good, sound advice in the Bible. I will agree with that! The thing is that with many of those things, you can clearly articulate why something is good/bad in a completely analytical way. Don't rape or kill for instance-- it is easy to explain who is harmed and why those things cannot be tolerated in society. Using the Bible (or someone else's interpretation of it) as the sole guide on things without critical analysis can lead to some bizarre views on things, for example, being against stem cell research or against abortion even in cases of rape.

Religion is not the basis of morality. In fact, many of those most prosperous, lowest crime areas in the world are also the least religious (Western and Northern Europe, Northeast Asia) while many of the most hostile and dangerous areas of the world are highly religious. I'm not trying to imply religion is the sole cause of this as it's obviously not, but it sure doesn't seem to be helping.

I agree people buy too much stuff and with some of the other faults you write about as well. I just don't see loss of religion as being a major cause of that. I think the causes are more the result of many other things in today's society that I have written about in other threads. Porn is indeed one of them, but there's also a lot more to it than just that (a quick list off the top of my head: excessive playing of video games, binge watching TV shows, internet addiction, social media stuff, plummeting rates of physical exercise, addicting/highly-refined junk food, toxicity of environment and water/food supply, some political/social unrest perhaps and maybe even ineffectiveness of schools).

Look at it this way. I put forth what I think are some very strong arguments (based on empirical and neurological research) against porn that I personally think resonated with a lot of people. At the very least, a few people seem to agree with me and maybe I opened up some eyes to the negatives of that stuff. If somebody wants to debate me on this, I'm all for it, but it seems like I don't have any takers. Now if someone were to go in and try to shame porn users because 'God does not want you to watch it' or some such, I bet most people will not take that argument seriously. Quite honestly I don't want to conflate my perfectly good arguments with the religious angle because, in my opinion, that actually weakens the argument.

See, it's not about "religion" to me. It is about a personal relationship with God.

I believe that those who truly have a strong personal relationship with God are less likely to do some of these horrible things we see happening in the world today. Why? Because we know that these are not the things God wants for us. We do our best to obey God's Commandments, not because we "have to", but because we want to. It's the right thing to do, and more importantly, it is the right thing for us to do as Christians.

That is the difference. You see a shaming process, that tells us what we cannot do. What I see is a relationship with God, who showed ME so much love, that he sent Jesus Christ to suffer and die upon the cross, for MY sins. God tells me how to live, because it is the right way for me to live. He wants me to avoid sin, because that is what's best for me. He forgives my sins, because I cannot be atoned on my own.

I am not ashamed. The gospel of Jesus Christ brings salvation to everyone who believes. (Romans 1:16)

Man Id like to ask questions on this...but Im not sure if its worth it....I watched Geronimo today and he was arguing with Luptan sp? and he says the "One God" will accept him and isnt worried about Luptans Christian God.

I think thats where I'm at..the One God...though I do love the story/beliefs of Jesus...all the different sects of Christianity not so much.

"Christian churches" are all over the place, from Biblical churches to those who "act in the spirit" exclusively, without using the Bible at all. There are very few truly Christian churches in this country, IMHO. These churches who make decisions, not based on what the Bible says, but rather on public opinion, are not Christian, IMHO. God is the final Word on all things, not man. I eliminated the Lutheran Church, Presbyterian USA, Episcopal, and others because of their desire to put man's concerns above God's Law. I do not see God's Law as "suggestions".

I believe in the Bible, in God, and in Jesus Christ. Jesus said that he is the truth and the life, and that no man goes to the Father, except through Him. There is the romanticized image we have of some different people, and the faith they have in animals, rocks, the sun, rivers, and all other kinds of things as gods. It is somehow seen as serene. It better be, because, unfortunately, the only way to the Father is through the Son.

I think that there are so many churches today that are so worried about their financial futures, that they have decided that they will just try to attract everyone, So what if they never receive a Biblical message, and so what if they don't save people, they get the money rolling in. They are afraid to mention sin, and some never even do mention sin. It's like the Christian can have Christ within, and yet still live a life that is completely reflective of the unrepentant sinner. It just doesn't make any sense, and it is not what the Bible says. I believe that a Christian should do his best to obey God's Law ..... and that he will find himself living a life that more closely follows Christ's example if he does truly have Christ within. I think that someone who calls himself a Christian, yet does things that any reasonable person would know with just a cursory knowledge of the Bible, offend God, has to know that they are in trouble. I know that well. I was there. I had talked myself into believing that because I "believed in" Christ, that I was somehow able to go do anything and everything, in the most sinful ways, and be just fine. I now realize that I was never really saved. I was the hard path, where the seed of the Gospel fell, sprouted quickly when I was a kid, but once I got back home with my friends, it withered and died. Thank God, God decided to do so much to draw me back to Him.

Anyway, I don't know what happens to those who have never heard the Word of God. The Bible is not 100% clear on that. It does say that even those who have never heard the Gospel still have God's Law written on their hearts. I don't know if they will receive an opportunity to accept Christ at death, or how that works. I trust God to make the proper decision on that, however He decides. However, in this country, we don't even have that "cover". We have all heard the Word of God, at least at some point, and if we have rejected it, then we have rejected life.

I dont know how to respond to that...Ive studied different religions through my life...I'm probably mentally more in line with the Jesus view of things...the New Testament.

But IDK anymore...I believe in a higher power...and have struggled with what Jesus said and how to go to heaven. I am at the point where I try to do right by people...live as close as I can to the commandments...not because of Christianity but because I think its a good guide line.

And if I die and God says well FBHO71 youre going in the hell fire because I didnt believe in the bible 100% then so be it.

I try to be spiritual..have a personal relationship with God...but man I just cant pick one of the sects of religion and say yep thats the one and only way and everyone else is wrong...I just cant do it...and dont think it is set up the way it says in the bible either.

You do, I would never knock you for that...but Y-town its the way Ive been treated by people in the church that turned me away in the first place...so it will be what it is when I have to answer for my life...if thats even what happens.