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I think he can't because he's yet to say anything substantive on the matter. In the nearly half of a year in which he's been on every major network, being granted as much airtime as his heart desires, he has yet to name one, single coherent or reasonable policy relating to the economy. When he speaks on it, he sounds no different than a stoned, rambling teenager.

"We don't win anymore. We lose all the time. We lose to China, to Japan, to Mexico. When I'm president, we're going to win all the time. We're going to bring the jobs back. And we're going to win again."

That, in a nutshell, is his economic policy. When he attempts to go into further detail, it gets even more incoherent.

But, please, when you get the time, do share with us how you believe "without a doubt" that he will make our economy great.

Yes, my prediction accuracy is why I am glad I don't do it for a living.

This is how The Donald operates...

The local government says no one can build higher than 30 stories in their town.

The Donald wants to build a 36 story building so he asks the locals for permission to build a 45 story building. (He tells no one of his real plan)

After much shouting and moaning and pleading and threats of lawsuits, the locals negotiate to keep him at 40 stories.

Trump thanks them and praises them in the Press, what great and tough negotiators they are! As a sign of good faith, The Donald says he found a way to make it work with 36 stories and he will use local labor in its construction!

All rejoice and tip their glasses to all their greatness as everyone is well pleased!

Trump begins to build his 36 story building.

Look up Trump Airlines, Trump Vodka, Trump Mortgage, Trump Casinos, Trump Steaks, Trump University, GoTrump.com, Trump Magazine, Trump Entertainment Resorts inc...

This is another part of Donald that I fear running our country, beyond the 6th grade level speaking skills, jacked up hair, flip flopping on damn near everything, vile hate speech spewing, and general narcissist part of him.
But hey he built a building in Manhattan that's financially solvent. Nobody with his kind of money could have done that.

i had Trump Vodka before.

pretty lame.

Yes, I seriously believe that Trump cannot convince China to engage in war with one of their allies that has the fifth largest army in the world and nuclear capabilities.

Those who are for him think he can deliver.

Hmmmm, Trumpmerica has a nice ring to it, from sea to shining sea.

And those that suffer from paranoid schizophrenia think that cavity fillings are listening devices implanted by the CIA.

Now that's the Jack I know!

40, I predict that a democrat will win the white house in 2016. Willing to make a signature bet on that?

Perhaps you missed where I told Swish...

Yes, my prediction accuracy is why I am glad I don't do it for a living.

And the amber waves of grain are right on top of his head.

you mean the fake hair he bought from the afro-centric beauty shop?

[quote] flip flopping on damn near everything/quote]

This man has flip flopped on his flip flops. I think he's like silly putty. Just press him against something and he becomes that. Press him up against something else and now he's that. He's said he can change whenever he wants to. I don't think trust this guy as far as I could throw him.

He's hope and change on the GOP side, all fluff and no substance.

You are right! The Donald even looks like Murica!!!

yep!

Just read this as a comment on a post about Bernie Sanders and thought it shows exactly why Bernie will do well with Independents and Republicans that don't feel the party is representing them:

"In all of my life I have never seen such political fervor, such hope and trust in any one candidate. Socialist, liberal, he is everything I've been opposed to in my entire adult life. Why would I vote for him ? Because I consider myself a good judge of horse flesh and this is a man who genuinely and sincerely cares about the people and the future of America. He is a man of unwavering character who speaks the truth as he sees it without regard for the consequences. He is a man who builds, not destroys. Whether I agree with his philosophy or not is beside the point. He exemplifies everything that I look for in a candidate. His policies and platform are secondary to me. He is the only real choice that we have for President."

-thought provoking message.

Bernie Sanders on CSPAN - WATCH!

This was from before the vote, but I thought it was interesting, anyway.

Cleveland Browns backup quarterback Connor Shaw stumping for Marco Rubio in South Carolina | cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/...art_river_index

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Marco Rubio is hoping Connor Shaw, the former University of South Carolina quarterback and current Cleveland Browns backup, knows how to pick a winner.

Shaw is scheduled to appear alongside Rubio, the Florida senator and one of six remaining Republican presidential candidates, in South Carolina twice in the next 24 hours according to The State.

One appearance is at 6 p.m. Wednesday in Chapin, about a half an hour away from Columbia, where Shaw played for the Gamecocks from 2010 and 2013. The second is on Thursday at a crossfit gym in Greenville, the newspaper reported.

Shaw, 24, is the winningest quarterback in South Carolina history, according to his official Cleveland Browns biography. He is fourth in school history in passing yards (6,074) and second in passing touchdowns (56), The State reported.

The Browns signed Shaw as an undrafted free agent in 2014. He has played sparingly, starting only one game for the Browns, a game which Cleveland lost in December 2014 to the Baltimore Ravens 20-10.

Shaw is not the only former signal-caller from a southern University to stump for a Republican presidential candidate in South Carolina. Former Clemson quarterback Tahj Boyd stumped last weekend for Ohio Gov. John Kasich in South Carolina.

The South Carolina GOP primary election is on Feb. 20. Celebrity businessman Donald Trump is considered the race's frontrunner, with an average of recent polls showing him with an 18-point lead, according to RealClearPolitics. The same polls show Rubio competing for second place with Texas Sen. Ted Cruz.

I don't disagree that he is sincere about his beliefs - I personally HATE, HATE, HATE his belief system so I would never, ever vote for him. His taxation strategy is absolutely insane.

The comment that scares the crap out of me in the quote is that this person is OK with policies being secondary?!?!? Good God, what has this country come to? We've turned into a popularity contest as far as voting goes, and it is truly sad. He seems like such a nice socialist. All hail Bernie - come take my money that I worked hard for! Free college! Free medical care! Free food! Free EVERYTHING! Woo Hoo! All aboard the train to hell!

That sure is thought provoking, in a way that makes me want to go puke my breakfast into the toilet.

Edit:
I will say I don't disagree with many of his ideas. Banks are too big and individuals should not have the pull they do in the political system (Koch brothers) for example. His taxation plan is my huge hang-up.

Perhaps I'm missing something. Exactly what it is about Trump that makes you all warm and fuzzy?

Bernie can solve all your problems by simply taking all of your money.

It's not free stuff.

It allocating tax revenue in a way that actually benefits the American people.

But if you're cool wasting billions in the Middle East, have fun voting for anybody on the replican ticket.

That's part of it for sure. The guy does have some decent ideas and I don't find him to be insincere like I do with most other candidates (hilary, The Donald, Teddy)

When talking about health care for all, he's looking at making changes but not so much that it would cause an uproar. one of the things I've heard him say, and I have to admit I don't understand it completely, is that today, you take a family, paying 5000+ a year for health insurance. WOuld they be willing to pay an extra 1000 in taxes to get rid of the 5000 they spend now? sure, who wouldn't. But I don't totally get out he's planning on getting that done.

I understand it takes some moves by Pharma, some by Insurance carriers, some by Social Security and some by the medical profession. But not sure how it's broken down.

I also understand that he wants to cut spending in areas that don't directly benefit Americans. Nothing terribly wrong with that. As long as we keep secure, I'm good.

Like I've said before, I like Bernie, I believe him to be sincere, but I'm not at all sure if his plans will work.

I think we should start up the Department of Wealth Distribution. Make sure those working there are all union, that way they can redistribute to themselves.

Warm and fuzzy Not at all...it has to do more with what I think of who is running on the Dem side...and it couldve been anyone else that is doing what Donald is doing to the GOPe and they wouldve most likely had me behind them.

I think he is much better business mind then any other person running....he has been on the Vets side way before running..his 2nd amendment views works for me...I think he can deal with both Dems and Rep to get things done.

Honestly I think he is a Republican in the business side and leans Democrat on his social issues...I'm sick of illegals...not immigrants..illegals. I read his 5 point plan and liked it. I think his plan should do more but I like most of what I read.
This...

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...ca-great-again/

and this

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanellis/20...h/#735476747f43

I actually didnt like the guy at first...but after reading his plans which a lot of people say he doesnt have...and watched interviews...and seeing how pissed the GOPe is I got on board.

I talked to a guy in the know with him that I trust greatly and after much thought I'm rolling with him, my only reservations are...idk if he will stick to what he says he will do after getting into the White House...but I'll give him a chance.

I'm sick of the Republican party...and if the best the Dems can offer is the nasty ass Hillary or a socialist...well Donald it will be...I think he will put smart people around himself and I hope he starts to act more Presidential, and the closer he gets to securing the nomination..and I think he will.

He is not the perfect candidate for me...but the way this election cycle is going...he will have to do for ME. Also I should add it will depend on his VP pick and also who he would want on the SC if he gets to pick that nominee.

So no Daman not warm and fuzzy..just who I will vote for over the rest of the pile of turds running. Not ashamed, not going to tell anyone thats who they should get behind...I'll be the sucker, low info voter....oh yeah racist...mouth breather...that votes for him.

Not your words above but others who have described a Trump supporter.

I am sick and tired of having to vote for the "lesser of 2 evils". When are we going to finally get a candidate that I can get behind. Seems like a candidate has to be so far left or so far right to get the party nomination that any candidate with views reasonable to the middle doesn't stand a chance.

I respect the way the founding fathers designed our government, that way one of the three posts doesn't have too much control.

However, one of the problems we are seeing is that the people elect a president, regardless of political leanings, based on his plans for the nation. Well, the president gets there, and is instantly met with a wall of "no", ironically from politicians that we the people elected.

Sometimes I think we are our own worst enemy when it comes to this. I understand the checks and balances, but any president, republican or democrat, should have the ability to actually carry out what he promised to the people without a huge barrier of the senate.

We don't know how well any president could've done if they were actually allowed to put into motion the majority of their policies.

At the same time, we won't know how much worse it could've been without that wall.

It's quite the problem.

Jester for me, Trump isnt the lesser of 2 evils..he is the best candidate for me out of the ones running. I like a lot of what he says...now is he sincere?? well that gives me pause. And never thought Id ever get behind him when he first started running...but what works for me may not be good for another.

What I wont do is degrade a person for their choice...if its thought out and who they truly want...well hell..who am I to call names or try to insinuate their a dumbass.

I agree, Bernie seems like a nice and caring guy.

Unfortunately for you, Hillary eats Horse Flesh for lunch.

I agree we are wasting way too much on the middle east, no doubt. I would love if we pulled out of it.

"Allocating" taxes my ass - if that was the case I may see why people are behind him. Increasing, at an absurd rate, is what he is doing. If he could find the money with a modest tax increase combined with cuts across the board I could possibly even get behind him. That means cutting things close to Liberal and Conservative agendas - nothing is safe. You know, kind of how a business is run.

Remember, I broke down his ridiculous tax plan for the board. I'm worried too.

I do remember. Taxation and fiscal responsibility are the top reasons I will vote for/not vote for a candidate. If the government is going to take more of my money without themselves making massive cuts to our already bloated government I will not vote for them.

Most of the social issues I could really care less about as they don't directly affect me in any way, such as gay marriage. To me, these issues are used as diversionary tactics from real issues.

I listened to a good portion of the video OldCold posted - he does have some good ideas, and he is very sincere about them. He has other ideas that make me want to stop listening, which is why it will take me a while to get through it, lol.

I'm with Jester - the candidates are all too far right or too far left. I personally believe most Americans are closer to the middle, with the younger generation leaning more liberal. I think the conservatives are going to have a difficult time getting elected until their views are changed on gay marriage and abortion. Gay marriage I could care less about, and while I am vehemently against abortion it is not my place to tell others what to do.

The whole point is that support for Trump cannot really be well thought out. He babbles incoherently in language aimed at the lowest common denominator, and offers no coherent policy positions or realistic solutions. There isn't a well thought out argument for Trump.

Well...thats like your opinion Jack

Name a single issue in which he has a coherent policy position.

Economics? Mindless babble. Foreign policy? Mindless babble. Health care? Mindless babble. Tax plan? Mindless babble. Immigration? Mindless babble.

Sounds a lot like how our current president got elected. Maybe he is onto something.....

It doesnt matter what I would say..you'd find disagreement...so dont take it as a slight if I dont waste the time giving them to you...I dont enjoy talking with someone who wont put their person out there but tears down everything someone else supports.

So good luck Jack you can do whatever it is your doing with some other person...I'll stick with talking with Swish and others who support different folks...at least he puts his points and who he likes out there...even when I disagree with him entirely

This is a cop out, because there is no logical or intelligent argument for any of Trump's policies. Even if I were to disagree with you, there should still be a coherent or intelligent argument to made for a candidate you support. But there isn't one, because, as I've pointed out, Trump just babbles mindlessly.

On health care, he just babbles mindlessly about repealing Obamacare, while vaguely hinting at a single payer government run health care system that will be "cheaper" and "better". Complete nonsense.

Militarily, he just babbles mindlessly about making the military bigger and better so that no one messes with us. He claims to get his foreign policy views "from the TV shows". Anyone with any credible military experience has basically laughed him off as having no clue what he's talking about.

Foreign policy is beyond ridiculous. He threatens trade wars with China, has claimed he will force them to go to war with North Korea. He has shown to be absolutely clueless when it comes to Iran. He believes that we're giving them $150 billion of our own money. Pretty much anytime he opens his mouth on foreign policy, he exposes himself as a clueless boob.

His immigration plan is a nonsensical fantasy where he promises to round up every illegal and deport them, as well as building a wall on the U.S. border that he will get Mexico to pay for. And a ban on allowing a religious group enter the country. Complete nonsense.

If you want to do the "agree to disagree" thing, fine. But it should trouble you that there is no logical or intelligent argument behind supporting Donald Trump for president. The guy just spouts off whatever comes into his head, with little to no knowledge based in fact or reality. Pretty close to nothing he says is factual or feasible.

It's not even an argument about philosophy or political beliefs, as there is no liberal or conservative schism here. It's a schism between fantasy and reality.