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"Mental issue."

Mental issues and lack of intelligence are not the same. Ted Kaczynski was brilliant, and had mental issues.

So he thinks a man he has only seen on TV for short periods of time has mental issues. Great.

Maybe he means "football mental" as in lack of reading coverages and making bad decisions.

I could be wrong about this, but I get the feeling that he was confusing things he heard about Cook and accidentally transferred them to Goff. LOL....

Which little birdie told you that?

Their GM said he wanted a "King's Ransom" for the #1 pick. I've never heard a better selling tactic.

Ransom for Carson Wentz? lol.... Good luck Tennessee.. any other draft Wentz is a 2/3 round pick. IDK why, but every time I think we will draft wentz.. I have flashbacks to this... lmao #charliefrye #dirtyjersey #olinecantprotecthim

I was at that game. Actually in the mezzanine and Joe Js family was real close to us. Man... that was ugly.

OMG!, I am having flash backs of these discussions about small hands. Wasn't there like a 6 page thread one time on this? I remember some of it fondly, it was very hilarious.

It was about Frye wasn't it?

Went back again to look at Goff, since I am high on him I tried to watch games where they got beaten badly.

Against UCLA his oline got trashed, all game long. Tregg? didn't get separation at all he even dropped some catches with perfect throws.

Cons:

With that said, his arm isn't as good as Wentz from what I can see. He needs to cleanup some ball placement too, too many throws behind guys, even with backs in the flat, that is just not acceptable. Some of which comes from his line being trash, but still, no excuse for not hitting a check down in stride.

He looks tall enough, but he is slight in frame. The Pac12 isn't the NFL, he needs to ad weight. I think it does affect his ability to dig in and throw deep balls.


Pros:

With the cons said, his touch is by far the best in this class. He consistency drops balls over a corner and under the safety. It is truly a gift, I don't see many college QB's that can make that throw as consistent as Goff. Even throw over a dropped backer on a regular basis.

Shows a consistent ability to put the ball where only his guy can make a play. Fades, corner routes, back shoulder throws. He throws with excellent anticipation.

Shows NFL caliber mechanics and pocket presence. He slides, he senses pressure, he shuffles his feet and gets the ball out. With his oline getting blasted in any game where the defense wasn't awful, he kept his eyes downfield and moved his feet.

He is a lot more athletic than people are giving him credit for. I keep hearing about how athletic Wentz is, but Goff is equally so.


I think his NFL ceiling is hard to project. I hate giving him a guy like Drew Brees, who he most reminds me of at the college level. I think Matt Ryan is a good comparison but I like him better than I liked Ryan coming out.

Watch the designed QB run against Air Force and then say they are close to the same level of athlete. Subtle movement in the pocket, Goff's pretty good. Explosive movement or hitting the hole, it's not even close.

Maybe i misspoke, not equally so, but he is not as far off as people are leading on.

Didn't read through all the posts so not sure if this was posted yet or not. but thought it had an interesting part in it...

Jared Goff or Crason Wentz. I’ve been in favor of drafting Goff since the end of the season. The recent analytics study that found him to be the ninth best quarterback available in the draft since 1999 further cemented by belief.

https://factoryofsadness.co/2016/04/07/c...robert-griffin/

BANGO!



http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/04/10/will-smith-murder-new-orleans-saints-nfl

I look forward to having Aaron Rodg. . . I mean Jared Goff on the team.

well hell if analytics say he is the ninth best QB available to us since 1999...then yea he just might be our guy...still would rather have Ramsey tho at 2

Thoughts. My thought is that he'd really be excited being picked at #2. Picked #45 would likely have him much less excited.

yea i would rather not draft any QB at 2, but if I had to pick

Other than going to Cal, I don't get the comparison of Goff to Rodgers.

The NFL guy that I think of when looking at Goff is Matt Ryan. Then again, I don't like Matt Ryan as a qb.

I've been hanging around you too much. I'm starting to see Goff as Geno Smith and Wentz as EJ Manuel.

LOL.............nah, they aren't that bad.

I think 0, 1, or both can make it. I never had any hope for Manuel and Smith. I just think both have question marks and are risky.

Again, it's just opinion. I am not stating any of this as a fact, like I did about making reads or blocking techniques. It's really hard to evaluate college qbs.

Vers....
I know Dalton has weapons all over the place in Cinci. That aside, who do you think is the better QB prospect coming out of college Goff, Dalton, or Wentz?

That's a good question. I wasn't very high on Dalton coming out of college.

I liked his mobility, leadership, toughness, and I thought his arm was fine.

I thought he was a tad short, didn't like his delivery, and had HUGE questions about how he would transition to the NFL because of the offense he ran in college. It was hard to gauge if he could read defenses or not. I alluded to that a little bit ago....it's the one thing that makes it so hard to evaluate college qbs these days.

I think I had a second round grade on Dalton. I have a mid-to late first on Wentz and a second round grade on Goff.

But again.........it's just my opinion and I am not drawing any lines in the sand. It's really hard to project how these guys will transition to the NFL game.

How do you feel about Paxton Lynch?

I think he might have the most upside of any qb in the draft. I also think he is extremely raw and it will take a couple of years to nurture him.

I have a late first to early second round grade on him. He's a really, really tough guy to evaluate though. It's all about potential w/him.

Again...........it's really hard to evaluate college qbs anymore. I just don't want to come across as sounding positive in my evaluations about any of them. I am wary of anyone who comes across as certain about how a guy will project to the NFL.

I am in the corner of not drafting a QB in the first round at all...if I remember you are not too hot on the QB's this year..unless I'm mistaken...baring trading back who would you want at #2? for me I am all in with Ramsey or Bosa...what say you?

Peter King of The MMQB reported what he's been hearing surrounding the Browns at the No. 2 overall pick:

And you'll probably hear a different name coming out of the building every few days right up until draft day. If anyone in the building has a clue.

I think we're trying to drive up the perceived value of the QBs either to facilitate a trade down for us or to entice someone to trade in front of us for a QB, so Ramsey/Tunsil falls to us.

I like Peter King, but he is terrible at predicting the draft. Whatever he predicts, I expect not to happen.

I prefer trading down, but if not, I am leaning towards Ramsey.

Diam brought up a very good point, why would we draft a QB who's skill set is so different than RGIII? Just to teach them one system this year and turn around and re-teach them the next year? Unless our plan is to draft our QB this year and have RGIII as a back-up and try to make RG into something he's not (pocket passer). I just don't see it. Of course maybe there's another plan, I don't know.

If Hue doesn't like either QB enough to take them at #2 will they instantly be wrong?

RGIII is a wildcard. We are not basing our plans on him being able to run any offense.

Also, any offense Hue Jackson runs will incorporate some zone read.