DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns should go hard after Kaepernick

I don't follow San Fran at all,, just what you read and hear hanging around on here and a few other boards.

I hadn't heard the rumors about his teammates not being fond of him. What's that mean anyway. I didn't know his teammates asked them to bench him and I didn't know he had off field issues. I seem to remember something about off field, but it didn't hit page one of my newspaper.

But like I said, something is fishy out there. First a Niners exec says he'll be there and a few days (or was it hours later) Kaps agent says they want a trade. Something, and I don't know what, but something is up. Questions, lots of questions.

I do think the loss of HIS head coach (harbaugh) killed his career. Harbaugh seemed to understand him and get the most out of him. With Harbaugh gone, something happened and I have no idea what.

And then there is the money. He's set to make more than he's worth IMO.

If forced to make an offer for him ... a conditional 7th round pick.

The biggest issue with SF was the coaching debacle after JH left. He got the most out of those guys and worked wonders with Kap. I think Kap is one of those guys that need to be ridden consistently to make sure he stays with his head in the game.

If Hugh Jackson has watched film on this kid and loved him (was willing to move up in the draft to get him), then maybe he can resurrect his career. Look at what he did for Andy Dalton. He!!, look at how he had Jason Campbell playing for the Raiders before the Browns broke his collar bone.
As for his past behavior I say this: teams take on the personality of their coach; look at last year's Browns. He played under Jim Harbaugh, who's behavior has always been a little different. Different coaches have different effects of players, is all I'm sayin....
And his large contract is set up for him to be cut and resigned just about every year. That can easily be re-negotiated.

But if you cut him, anyone can sign him.

Why would Kaepernick renegotiate?

If they cut him, would I sign him? Sure.
Would I trade for him with his current contract? No.

I'm not saying the Browns would have to cut him every year. I'm pointing out how terrible the contract is. Renegotiating would be an advantage to both parties as the player would likely see more guaranteed money, but the team would be able to sign him to a more sensible contract maybe with incentives.

...you want to give Kaepernick more guaranteed money?

j/c:

I am seeing that losing Harbaugh was the reason SF started losing. Y'all might want to research how many players SF lost off of that Super Bowl team.

It's quite amazing.

I pray we don't go after this guy, SF didn't win because of Kaepernick, they won in spite of him, it was their run game and Defense not Kaepernick ... JMHO

I said it on another thread, let's draft and develop our own guy. I know we haven't been able too in the past but with our new coaches it may be different. We can hope.

Was Kaepernick not a huge part of what they did in the run game?

Key word.

NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports the Texans and Browns have interest in Colin Kaepernick.

It adds to rumors Kaepernick asked to be traded this week. There's conflicting reports on if the 49ers still want Kaepernick, but it looks like there's enough interest that he could be shopped. Kaepernick would likely need to restructure his contract to have any chance of getting traded

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football/?ls=roto:nfl:morenewstop

No way. I'd rather roll with McCown, by far.

That was my first blush also, but CK does present an intriguing option...

IIRC, they lost 5 or 6 players on defense alone.

Agreed. Something about Kaepernick rubs me the wrong way. Just seems like a jerk.


Plus he was wearing a Dolphins hat. What's with that!

I don't wear any NFL gear but Browns stuff. I'd expect the same from my QB at least.

I'd rather take Derek Anderson back than give Kaepernick a chance.

Due diligence.

Simple to me. These guys tie us to Kap because they know as well as we know that Huey liked him in college. Big deal. It's more about 3 seasons of film in the NFL. NOW how do you like me? Answer is not at all.

Wentz would beat out Kap season one. Please go to Houston.

If Kap was good enough, the 49ers wouldn't trade him (probably won't anyways) or have benched him..

I'm just tired of trying to win with other people's junk..

Failed starters looking for "fresh scenery" or backups that just "need a chance to start"

Just get the best QB prospect out of this draft you can (without collosusly reaching hopefully) and let him grow into the position, whether that means sitting, starting, or whatever..

Ditto

Stay away from CK and just draft Wentz

The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports the Browns are not interested in acquiring Colin Kaepernick "at this time."

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport linked the Browns and Texans to Kaepernick on Saturday but now beat reporters from both teams have refuted that report. Kaepernick's recent trade request takes away some of the Niners' leverage. It looks like teams are content to wait it out until April 1 to see if the 49ers cut Kaepernick before his salary becomes guaranteed.


http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football/?ls=roto:nfl:morenewstop

edit, nvm

Sounds like Rapoport's source was Kaepernick's agent.

All reports coming from Kaep's management... really the only 2 spots where he could start from day 1

Honestly looking around the league, SF is the best place for Kap to succeed, in Kelly's offense..

This is why I hate Rappaport, he is a gossip monger who creates stories out of mid air. Problem is people act as if he really has inside info. Nine out of ten times, it's just an assumption he makes.

I am not saying Rap was correct, but how do you know that the two organizations didn't feed their beat reporters false information?

Kinda early to be drawing any conclusions.

I was thinking the same thing... Would think it'd be the best offense for him to do well in...

A team as currently talent-less as the Niners are not going to just let a good QB walk. I was super shocked when the Chargers let Brees get away, but it just doesn't happen very often. Personally, I'd rather see the Browns draft a QB at 2 and start him right away and keep McCown as backup. This is going to be a LONG building process anyway.

Brees had suffered a major injury and their stupid GM, who had drafted Rivers, was waiting for a chance to get his guy into the lineup. That is one of the main reasons the idiot fired Marty.

Nothing against Rivers, but that entire situation was tainted.

Agreed. I think AJ Smith had a mega ego which more than likely affected that situation.

Plus, nobody knew what was going to become of Brees. He had that surgery and people already perceived him as having a weak arm. You weren't sure if he'd become a Chad Pennington (who had shoulder problems which made his average strength arm become much weaker), although the Pennington injuries might have happened after Brees went to the Saints.


Anyway, in that FA, many folks felt that Donte Culpepper was the top QB in the group. Miami did too. Miami and many folks were wrong, Brees came on with something to prove like a bat outta hell, and the rest is history.

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JC: More importantly, this Kaepernick news is music to my ears. I saw this on my phone before taking my evening nap, and slept easy knowing we weren't gonna be going for him.

Hoping Texies win this one. Get and develop our own. At two? And get him some receivers.

Draft Day was a movie. Do not overdramatize the draft. Some real Buckeye help IMO.

Get some players. Flush the locker room if necessary.

Right now I assume everybody is lying about something. Planted stories, leaks, who might consider going where, it is the joy of the Combine and Draft.

We have OD'd on the hype and koolaid too often recently. Diligence. Less community decisions should be better, I hope.

Good post.

Do you remember that it was Big Money who injured Brees w/a vicious shot late in a Browns/Chargers game?

Saban was w/Miami at the time and he really wanted Brees. I have heard that when their FO decided to not get Brees, Saban really soured on them and that's when he decided to get outta town.

I remember some of us discussing Brees on the board. Not too many people wanted him. I can only remember peen and myself saying to try and get him, but there were probably others. I just can't remember them.

It's funny how that Marty/AJ Smith spat affected history and all the little twists and turns it caused.

You know........I think there is a guy this year that could also influence a few franchises for a long time. He may not be available, but then again, depending on how his current team handles the situation, going all out for him can have similar consequences to the Brees situation. That would be amazing because stories like that rarely happen.

'Browns not interested in trading for 49ers QB Colin Kaepernick despite report'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._social_feature

By Mary Kay Cabot, Cleveland.com on February 28, 2016 at 12:00 PM, updated February 28, 2016 at 12:51 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns are not interested in trading for 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick despite an NFL Network that they are.

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported Saturday that the Browns and Texans, both in need of quarterbacks, would be among teams interested in trading for the former second-round pick and Super Bowl participant.

But the Browns have no such interest at this time, and John McClain of the Houston Chronicle tweeted Sunday: 'By the way, the Texans have no interest in trading for Colin Kaepernick.

Kaepernick has been linked to the Browns because coach Hue Jackson loved him when he was head coach of the Raiders in 2011 and Kaepernick was coming out Nevada. Jackson has said the Raiders tried to trade up to draft, and the lamented the fact it didn't happen.

Kaepernick took the 49ers to the Super Bowl after his second season, where they lost to the Ravens. He's gone 27-20 in his five season and 4-2 in the playoffs. He's thrown 56 touchdowns and only 26 interceptions and has a 88.4 rating. But he went 2-6 in an injury-marred season in 2015 and was benched in favor of Blaine Gabbert. Ultimately, he finished the season on injured reserve. He's also recovering from surgeries to his shoulder, thumb and knee.

Any team trading for him will have to assume his $11.9 million salary for 2016, which will be fully guaranteed on April 1.

The Browns are expected to draft either North Dakota State's Carson Wentz or Cal's Jared Goff at No. 2, but have said they'll explore all options to improve the team.

The 49ers have said they want to keep Kaepernick, but according to NFL Network, he wants to be traded.

On Thursday, coach Chip Kelly told 49ers reporters that Kaepernick "wants to be here" and that he excited to work with him.

"I've never thought that, 'Hey, I'm going to go to San Francisco and he's not going to be there,''' he said. "I don't know why everybody else looks at it that way, either. ... Kap's really good. He had the ball on the 5 yard line, taking the team in to win the Super Bowl. You can just look at the tape and know how talented he is. Our job is acquiring talent, not getting rid of talent."

49ers owner Jed York recently told the The San Jose Mercury News that his last conversation with Kaepernick was good.

"I asked how he was feeling,'' York said. "I hope he's doing well. I care about his health and well-being because I think he can be a big piece of what we're doing going forward."

49ers GM Trent Baalke also said at the NFL Combine that Kaepernick would "absolutely'' be on the roster April 1st, but that was before NFL Network's Ran Getlin reported that he wants out.

In 2013, Jackson told Peter King of si.com that "we wanted the kid in the worst way.''

He acknowledged that the late Raiders owner Al Davis was also upset that they didn't land him.

"Scouting him, I fell in love with the kid,'' said Jackson. "Leader, won a ton of games at Nevada, really impressive when you talked to him, strong, all the tools to win in the NFL. No doubt in my mind he was going to be good.''