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Wow.


So... I guess I was a nerd. One of my fetishes was maps and globes. American Samoa is really a thing. I learned about it in 4th grade, when My Parents first got us World Book Encyclopedia (anyone remember those? They were "The Poor Man's Britannica"...)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Samoa

We have a BUNCH of NFL players from there. If the name looks like:

"Tuiososopo"... they're prob from Samoa.

Troy Polamalu has Samoan roots.


Yep... American Samoa: it's really a thing.

Hi Nerd! Welcome aboard

You know what's strange? American Samoans can vote in the primaries but not in the general election.

Yeah.... that one requires explanation, for sure.

They are also not American Citizens.

Bernie did better than expected last night and even though his work is cut out for him it's not over by a long shot. He will do well in:

State Delegates

California 475
Oregon 61
Washington 101
Michigan 130
Illinios 156
Florida 214
New York 247

So the democratic nomination may very well come down to the mid west and the corn belt states. Again, super Delegates are pledged BUT NOT votes in stone like CNN and others would have you believe. Hillary is currently about 200 actual delegates ahead of Bernie.

So even though I'm very disappointed about the south, he will be much better known in many of the up coming states and should have a real chance to get back in this race.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

Oh, and I don't see anyway for the GOP to reign in Trump. The anti-Trump vote on the right will kill them in the general. I think it's just insane how well Trump is doing with basically zero substance in his platform, it's like the GOP base has become full of political Lemmings!

What a train wreck.

Actually, people that vote republican are tired of being lied to. The current congress did nothing about obummercare. They didn't even push a bill that would be vetoed to the pres. They passed every budget. They didn't try to stop executive ordered immigration. They're little more than a whining wind.

They first whined, 'if only we had control of the house'. They got it. Then it was, 'if only we had control of the senate'. They got it. What's next? 'If only we had super majorities in the house and senate, the presidency, 8/9ths of the supreme court, and 49/50ths of the governorships and state legislatures, we could get something done'.

The republican party has been but a shell of itself for some time now.

The problem with Washington is MONEY pure and simple. You want to know why republicans said that climate change was bogus? A: MONEY (KOKE MONEY, BTW) and lots of it.

The thing that blows me away is both parties know what the problem is, and both acknowledge something needs to be done and neither party will.

Back on point though, none of them stand based on principle oh the republicans will say they do but they stand based on DOLLARS period. The Democrats say they do it cause everyone else does it and the wheel of misery continues to erode away the fabric of our country.

The whole thing has led to guys like Cruz who say they stand on principle by lie thru their teeth a good deal of the time.

The republicans have a deep hate for the Democrats and each other, at least the Democrats keep the in fighting out of the public eye.

Bernie said something that hit me like a sludge hammer early on in his campaign. If you take the MONEY out of politics you can solve most of our problems, I believe no truer statement has ever been spoken.

As is we have legalized bribery and we wonder why Washington is so friggen dysfunctional.

The simple truth is end legal bribery and the rest will take care of itself, Bernie was and is right...

Say whatever you want about Bernie, he is honest, he cares, and he is passionate about the USA and the people more so then any candidate I can remember.

I might spell this wrong, but we have become (maybe we've always been) and Oligarchy.


Oligarchy: a small group of people having control of a country, organization or institution.

If that small group of people can't get their way by honest means, they buy politicians.

It doesn't matter if what they want is good for America, it only matters what is good for them.

Do we have an issue with Climate change? Probably. Will conservatives or liberals ever do anything about it, Nope.

They are alike in the sense that they are all bought and paid for.

If a candidate doesn't tow the line for them, they fund a smear campaign (they in many cases being the Koch Brothers or other very wealthy folks)

Some, like Bill Gates who has a 75 billion dollar net worth could care less. Same with Warren Buffett at about 40 Billion.

Until we hold politicians accountable, this will continue. Unless we put in strong term limits, it will continue.

Ok,, Come on,, jump on me now.. I know it's coming.

And the democrats say it's real because they're just trying to help, right? There's more money in saying there's climate change than not. The climate changes, we are not causing it.

Now, this happens with both parties. Both take money from special interests to promote those causes. They also do it to promote their parties. Do the democrats push the idea that all republicans are racist because they are, or because they are trying to lock up the black vote? Let's not forget that this is the democrat party that was the majority of the Confederacy, passed most of the Jim Crow laws, fought voting rights, and push a welfare system that keeps people in poverty and dependent on the government.

All that, and I can still think of about 200 million more people I'd want to vote for over Trump. The fact that it's looking like Hillary v Trump leaves me feeling pretty sick about the direction of this country.

jc

This is what Trump defenders have devolved to:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/jeffrey-lord-van-jones-cnn-debate/index.html

I CAN NOT believe anyone would say climate change isn't real, for God sake man go outside and look around tornados in February, and its NOT real?

Every or nearly every country in the world including its scientists say its the real deal we know the ice pack is melting at a record pass and the worlds oceans are on the rise as a result, and you think it's not real? whew what does it take for you to realize what is all around you and us? Hell even the republican party has begun the slow process of acknowledging climate change as being real, although money kept them from admitting it for many years.




We agree !
And that sir is the heart of the problem, its hard if not impossible to get anyone to do what's right when their being paid to do what suits the interests of those that fill their pockets.





They do it because a great deal of it is true as I see it anyway. When the party calls the president a monkey as in Alabama porch monkey its there for all to see. When they consistently ignore the will of the people and snub their noses at the president because he is as they say a monkey we get it, it then becomes as easy case to make. Just like when Trump acts like he doesn't know who the KKK is or white supremist groups are, we get it.




All things long ago, denounced by the party and the people of this country. The fact that there are elements within the republican party that still support these ideas tells us all how out of touch and out of step they are.

But I regress.

Simple questions we all should be asking ourselves.

Why do we pay more for health care then every other country in the world?

Why do we pay more for prescription drugs?

Why did congress pass a law making it against the law for Medicare/Medicaid to negotiate drug prices?

Hell man we can't get legislation passed that would help every single citizen in this country because of the money in Washington, and that money flows thru both parties and it has to be stopped. It's why people are so damned pissed off, and you know what they should be pissed....

Please do some research. The ice has been melting for 10,000 years. We are not the cause. Please also look into the temperature data for the past 18 years. It is not getting warmer. This is a natural cycle. I will say nothing more on this subject, as this is not a climate change thread.



I'd love to know when that happened. I've never heard that one before. I seem to remember all the monkey, stupid, and other things said about other presidents too. Quick question, if everyone is supposed to be equal, shouldn't the insults be equal too?



You mean like that long ago when hillary clinton called blacks 'superpreditors'. Racism doesn't exist in a party, it exists in racist people.



To answer your questions: 1. Government interference. 2. Government interference. 3. Government interference.

What legislation is going to help all of us? When has that ever happened in the history of history? People are pissed off because nothing changes no matter which party is in power. The government grows, taxes grow, jobs dry up, and the only people getting rich are those in government. The 6 counties around DC are the richest in the country.

If you truly follow the money, you will find that most of it flows toward the Man Caused Global Warming crowd. This is where all the twisting of facts is coming from. Years ago, Al Gore warned us things would come to an end in 2016 as the oceans boiled. Watch his BS on Youtube.

Yes, the Globe is warming.

Man caused? Horse Hockey!

I came across an interesting piece of trivia yesterday. The last democrat to be elected to the presidency after an incumbent democrat left office was James Buchanan in 1856. Not a good record of succession.

Interesting that he ran against the first Republican to ever run for president.

Interesting that that he was nominated over incumbent president and fellow Democrat Franklin Pierce.

Interesting that Buchanan was the only former Secretary of State to become president.

There have been a couple of studies that have come out in the last couple of months that imply that global sea levels are rising much faster than previously thought.


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/02/gl...2201945865.html

Global sea levels rising faster due to global warming


Man-made climate change responsible for fastest rise in sea levels in the past 2,800 years.

23 Feb 2016 06:39 GMT | US & Canada, Environment, Climate Change

Sea levels rose 14cm during the 20th century [AP]

Sea levels are rising several times faster than in the past 2,800 years and are accelerating because of man-made global warming, according to new studies.

An international team of scientists dug into two dozen locations across the globe to chart gently rising and falling seas over centuries and millennia. Until the 1880s and the world's industrialisation, the fastest rise in sea levels was about 3cm to 4cm a century, plus or minus a bit.

During that time the global sea level really did not get much higher or lower than 7.62cm above or below the 2,000-year average. But in the 20th century the world's seas rose 14cm.

Since 1993 the rate has soared to 30cm and two different studies, published on Monday in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, said that by 2100 the world's oceans would rise between 28 and 131cm, depending on how much heat-trapping gas Earth's industries and vehicles expel.

"There's no question that the 20th century is the fastest," said Bob Kopp, Rutgers earth and planetary sciences professor and the lead author of the study that looked back at sea levels over the past three millennia.

"It's because of the temperature increase in the 20th century, which has been driven by fossil fuel use."

If seas continue to rise as projected, another 45cm of sea-level rise will cause lots of problems and expense, especially with surge during storms, said study co-author Stefan Rahmstorf, of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany.

The link to temperature is basic science, the study's authors say. Warm water expands. Cold water contracts. The scientists pointed to specific past eras when temperatures and sea rose and fell together.

Both studies project increases of about 57 to 131cm if greenhouse gas pollution continues at the current rate. If countries fulfill the treaty agreed last year in Paris and limit further warming to another two degrees Fahrenheit, the rise in sea levels would be in the 28cm to 56cm range.




http://www.theguardian.com/environment/c...t-of-an-ice-age

Earth is warming 50x faster than when it comes out of an ice age

A major new study includes some scary implications about how rapidly humans are changing the Earth’s climate

Dana Nuccitelli

Wednesday 24 February 2016 11.00 EST Last modified on Wednesday 24 February 2016 11.03 EST






Recently, The Guardian reported on a significant new study published in Nature Climate Change, finding that even if we meet our carbon reduction targets and stay below the 2°C global warming threshold, sea level rise will eventually inundate many major coastal cities around the world.


20% of the world’s population will eventually have to migrate away from coasts swamped by rising oceans. Cities including New York, London, Rio de Janeiro, Cairo, Calcutta, Jakarta and Shanghai would all be submerged.

The authors looked at past climate change events and model simulations of the future. They found a clear, strong relationship between the total amount of carbon pollution humans emit, and how far global sea levels will rise. The issue is that ice sheets melt quite slowly, but because carbon dioxide stays in the atmosphere for a long time, the eventual melting and associated sea level rise are effectively locked in.

As a result, the study authors found that due to the carbon pollution humans have emitted so far, we’ve committed the planet to an eventual sea level rise of 1.7 meters (5.5 feet). If we manage to stay within the 1 trillion ton carbon budget, which we hope will keep the planet below 2°C warming above pre-industrial levels, sea levels will nevertheless rise a total of about 9 meters (30 feet). If we continue on a fossil fuel-heavy path, we could trigger a staggering eventual 50 meters (165 feet) of sea level rise.

Predicting how quickly sea levels will rise is a challenge. However, two other studies just published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found that the Antarctic ice sheet could melt more quickly than previously thought, and thus contribute to relatively rapid sea level rise. Over the past century, global sea level has risen faster than at any time in the past two millennia, and most of the recent sea level rise is due to human-caused global warming. Several feet of sea level rise this century is likely, with a possibility of 5 feet or more.



Sea level change during each of the twenty centuries of the Common Era.

Sea level change during each of the twenty centuries of the Common Era. Illustration: Climate Central, based on Kopp et al. (2016), published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The Nature Climate Change study didn’t just look at sea level rise; it also looked at global temperature changes. Earth’s sharpest climate changes over the past half million years have occurred when the planet transitions from a ‘glacial’ to ‘interglacial’ period, and vice-versa.


Right now we’re in a warm interglacial period, having come out of the last ice age (when New York City and Chicago were under an ice sheet) about 12,000 years ago. During that transition, the Earth’s average surface temperature warmed about 4°C, but that temperature rise occurred over a period of about 10,000 years.

In contrast, humans have caused nearly 1°C warming over the past 150 years, and we could trigger anywhere from another 1 to 4°C warming over the next 85 years, depending on how much more carbon we pump into the atmosphere.


Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels (top) and average global surface temperature (bottom) from the past 20,000 years to the next 10,000 years in various emissions scenarios.


Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels (top) and average global surface temperature (bottom) from the past 20,000 years to the next 10,000 years in various emissions scenarios. Illustration: Clark et al. (2016), Nature Climate Change.

What humans are in the process of doing to the climate makes the transition out of the last ice age look like a casual stroll through the park. We’re already warming the Earth about 20 times faster than during the ice age transition, and over the next century that rate could increase to 50 times faster or more. We’re in the process of destabilizing the global climate far more quickly than happens even in some of the most severe natural climate change events.



That rapid climate destabilization is what has climate scientists worried. It’s faster than many species can adapt to, and could therefore cause widespread extinctions, among other dangerous climate change consequences. Coastal flooding in places like Florida has already become much more common than it was just 50 years ago, and sea level rise is expected to keep accelerating.

As Aaron Goldner, one of the Nature Climate Change study authors told me, the next 10–20 years are critical in determining which path we follow. There’s a big difference between an eventual sea level rise of 1.7 meters and one of 9 meters.

The sooner we transition away from fossil fuels and cut our carbon pollution, the better we’ll be able to limit the climate destabilization and associated damages. It’s a sobering thought: our children, grandchildren, and future generations for hundreds, even thousands of years will feel the impacts of the choices we make over the next decade.

Aljazeera and the guardian? You really want me to read those mainstays of Science and education???

Just to get the thread back on topic...

This is the GOP Planning to derail Trumps Nomination

http://egbertowillies.com/2016/03/02/gop...ken-down-video/

Yes, I posted something similar early in this Thread.

They will find a way to stop him. He lacks a membership card to use the pool at Club Rep.

As an American, this kinda gives me the chills.

What bothers me is that as much as I don't want Trump to be in this thing at all, I'm angry that the Powers that be can take the most popular guy and get him out of the race for the White House.

In this case, I hope they succeed, but in general, that bothers me

As it should.... it's kind of like the unions, they worked well until the unions themselves became larger and more important than the people they were supposed to serve.... we now have the same thing with the two party system, both parties feel that the party is bigger and more important than the people it was established to serve...

He'll be okay. He has his new Super Fans taking up for him.









Incredible. Hate, racism, prejudice, fear and this type of devoted followers... What could possibly go wrong in a Trump Presidency?

Ben Carson will not attend the upcoming Debates!

Is he setting up to run as an Independent?

Film at 11

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...13e8_story.html

ntu

I saw during one of the earlier primaries some of those polled said they were voting with their "middle finger". There seems to be a sheathing anger that knows no party lines. The so called experts have no clue what is going on.

I know from experience that just because Trump may become the republican candidate that you shouldn't already start your victory lap for Hillary. That happy dance may turn into a wake.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/ben-carson-sees-no-path-forward-191755324.html

so ben carson is skipping tomorrow's debate. he's campaign has been over with for a while now. but thats pretty much the nail in the coffin.

If the choice comes down to these two, there will be no reason for anybody to do a happy dance.

The best result that could come from a Hillary vs Donald election is about a 15% turnout... yet even with that, one side would claim a great victory.. smdh

You could vote for another party...

I don't vote for a party, I vote for a candidate... and from what I've seen, none of the other potential 3rd party or independent candidates are all that terrific either.

If a 15% turnout is what you believe will actually help, you'll have my support in that goal on election day.

Maybe we should build Trumps wall, just around DC and not let anyone out.

Why are you going to build a wall around me? What did I do?

I was referring to the DC just a tad farther north than your current location.

Oh hell DC, Trump could lose by double digits and he'd call it a victory. Then he'd sue to have a recount because it was so close LOL

And I'm sure Trump would have a long list of people to blame for his loss and his name wouldn't be on it.

I heard the best argument yet for electing Trump.. you know why nobody messes with North Korea? Because their leader is a lunatic... you know why nobody messes with Iran? Because their leader is a lunatic... maybe if we had a lunatic, people would stop messing with us... imagine a lunatic with our level of fire power at his disposal... ISIS might give up.

2000 Pres election:

Harry Browne/Libertarian Party.
Didn't like/respect what I heard from Bush, thought Gore was an intellectual featherweight. Couldn't cast a vote for either R or D, and went with the Libertarian philosophy. Browne was their boy that year. My Pops-In-Law lost it on me: "You're a dumba** for throwing your vote away on someone who can't win!" I responded: "-And you're a dumba** for voting for that Team Captain! At least I voted my conscience, instead of some party hack!" (Thanksgiving weekend was a bit tense, that year... )

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I couldn't believe the circus that happened next. Hanging chads, Bush v. Gore, Scalia casting the deciding vote... it was perhaps the most cynical year of my voting life. I hated them all... and I hated the twisted process that put GWB into office.

When he fought with me after 9/11, I said: "I think he's a simple man in a complex world. He reached his ceiling as governor... and now he's out of his depth."


I really do think the time is coming for a viable third party alternative. We can't continue with our choices limited to "Tweedle Dumb" and "Tweedle Stupid."


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