DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Peter King Hearing Buzz That Browns Could Go After Osweiler

No, no one said that.

I am still waiting for your expert analysis on how Osweiler and Cousins have "roughly the same problems," though.

And I am going to enjoy dissecting your expert opinion on this one.

You're right. I read the pronouns wrong. However, you still said that the Broncos are going forward with Osweiler instead of Peyton Manning, who is retiring. And by going forward, you mean, making him susceptible to free agency, then yeah. They are going forward.

I would say that is a pretty hefty offer they are making. Wouldn't you?

Indeed it is Vers. 15 million a year for a guy that hasn't played much. Not that I blame them. He's the guy they brough along and they want to see what he can be. It's a good offer for them and him. But it IS them moving forward with Brock if he accepts it.

Oh and he'd be a fool not to take that. He can win there and not have it all on his shoulders. You know Kubiack is going to run the ball. With that D Brock can continue his development without the stress of it all being on him.

j/c

Paying Osweiler allows the Browns to better their defense getting one of the three Bosa, Buckner, or Ramsey. Getting one or both Dak Prescott or Cardale Jones will hedge their chance finding a QB.

Another option pay Osweiler still draft Wentz or Goff release McCown.

Denver has a chance locking up a very respectable defense. I think it is a bit of a gamble giving up on Osweiler. Paying Brock at the expense of losing proven talent will be a tougher pill to swallow if he fails.

j/c....

I did not get to watch a whole lot of Osweiller while he played this year, but this entire thing feels like Fool's Gold to me. That whole "sometimes the grass is greener over there because it's fake".

Osweiller in Denver would not be Osweiller in Cleveland. They just won a Super Bowl and they have one heckuva defense they can lean heavily on to slow an opponent down. He will basically be in as low a pressure setup as he can find.

Here, he will have a defense that gives up lots of points, probably not much of a running game, and question marks at WR - all while learning a new system, terminology, etc... and he will be asked to put the team on his shoulders and arm and carry the offense.

If I'm him, there's no way I choose Cleveland in an even money situation, which means we would have to pony up more than the 3 years, $45M. We might have to offer him for 5 years, $75M - or something equally crazy, with a large amount of guarantees. We'd have to bribe the snot out of him for him to choose us. That's just utterly stupid money for something so unproven. The only way you throw that much money at something with such a small track record is if they are your own player and you know them inside and out - and they know you and your system the same way.


So, taking that into account - I'd file this with the "Dreams of Orlando Pace" manifestos.

I saw Cousins make some special throws last year. He had the advantage of playing against some really bad defenses, but he still made some throws that are upper tier as far as NFL QBs.

Osweiler didn't make those throws. He was ...... OK .... but nothing special. There is a ton of projection with him, and not a whole lot to go on.

Here is a blurb from his CBS player's page:

Brock Osweiler, QB, Denver Broncos, NFL - CBSSports.com
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1664777/brock-osweiler

Broncos' Brock Osweiler: Offered three-year deal exceeding $45 million
by RotoWire Staff | RotoWire
Denver offered Brock Osweiler a three-year contract exceeding $45 million, 9news.com reports.

It's a startlingly high figure for a player who's almost certainly far below the average as a starting quarterback, but quarterback scarcity and an increasing cap have made this the new normal. With Denver using the franchise tag on Von Miller, Osweiler will be free to test the market if he chooses. In the article for 9news.com, writer Mike Klis mentions Houston, Cleveland, and the Jets as potential suitors for Osweiler if he should pass on Denver's initial offer.

7 starts. . .

ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND

$45 million.

No way do I want Osweiler. Or Kap for that matter. Or RGIII.

Utilize the draft. Take the QB at 2.

Let Os stay in Denver. Hopefully Kap goes to Houston. There's 2 more teams that will be struggling to find stable QB play. And soon Pitt and NE will join them. All good for us.

You want:

0 starts. . .

ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND

4 Guaranteed Years to a QB that shouldn't even be considered in the first round.


Look, I think Osweiler takes the deal. He would be a fool to accept a bit more money from a trash franchise like the Browns and leave the defending Super Bowl champions. I only commented because your "logic" was biased and dumb.

What was the name of the QB that sat behind manning for a while prior to mannings injury in Indy?

Yeah, I don't remember his name either.

So..........your "logic" is to pass on him because sitting behind Manning means he stinks and that if we draft a qb at number 2, he will be good because he didn't sit behind Manning?

Brilliant!!!

Once again, you put words in peoples mouths in an effort to discredit them.. Tell me where I said any of that garbage.

I simply responded to you in the manner you responded to me. Both were equally logical.

Why not sign Oswiler for an avg of 15mil per year(cap has gone up over 10 mil per season the last couple years and we nearly pay that much for an overrated corner that only played a few games and looked like a fraud without his drugs) and then take a qb with the second pick. Hopefully one or both turn out to be the qb we have not had in almost 16 years and solve this problem. We are going to be the same old browns until we have a respectable QB behind center. Ever year we have to have the same discussion its part (not all)of the same reason we turn over front offices after a couple of years because they fail to solve it. Lets increase our odds and get two young qbs and let them work with our new qb friendly coach and put this to bed. Now flame away so we can talk about wishing we had a qb on the board for the next ten years.

No, I think your argument about how he's sat behind Manning is not any guarantee he'll be much of anything.

More telling than anything is that John Elway thought enough of him to make that offer.

But him simply sitting behind Manning doesn't mean a thing unless he has the intelligence and physical gifts it takes to be a starter in the NFL.

I was pointing that out, but as usual, you go out and put words in peoples mouths.

I have an issue with other peoples QB's as a rule.. But I have to admit, I was dead wrong on Manning when he left Indy for Denver. I thought he was done then. I also made the same mistake about Drew Brees when he left for New Orleans.

Of course, those were different. Both of those involved injuries that could have derailed the careers of Manning and Brees. This is different.

For me, it's a lot of money for a guy with 7 starts. Albeit he seems to have played pretty well. He's got the size you want and a good arm.

So it may be worth it to take a swing for him. I doubt he jumps from the Broncos however. He's got a home there and oddly enough, it's close to his real home. (he's from Idaho)

That and the fact that he doesn't have to carry the Broncos. That D is stout and can take them to the promised land at anytime. Could be that if they keep that D together, they can win it all again next season.

I don't see him leaving just for the money.. Just don't see it. Unless of course we offer him 6 years at 100 million with 40 or so Guaranteed.

That I believe I'd object to. But it's not my money..

Once again, your reading comprehension gets in the way. Look, I only responded to you AFTER you responded to me.

You have no idea what point I was making. None!

I really don't want to belittle you because of your lack of reading comprehension, but man, you always go on the attack. Perhaps you should stop calling out people when you have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Yeah, I know this is a tough thing for you to do around here....

Denver has already offered him 3 years at 15 mil per. He won't sign with them for that, he's not signing with us for that.

To get Os I think we would need to offer 3-5 years at 20 mil per.

he's not a 20 mill a year guy. Let's not pretend Osweiler is something special..he's basically this year's Matt Flynn

This the exact quote I was responding too



What I was saying is that being in the QB room with Manning in and of itself don't mean diddly.

And another thing, I don't see this big groundswell of folks wanting ANY QB at 2. A few say wentz, some say Goff but mostly it's the media that are making a big deal out of it...

But you make it sound like everyone is out to get either Goff or Wentz early. You just make that stuff up to sound important and all knowing.

God forbid anyone disagree with you,, all hell rains down is they do.

I'm not saying he is worth 20 mil a year. Nor am I saying he will get that contract. What I'm saying is that is what it will take to get him to come play for us.

Denver offered 15/year and he wants more. He isn't coming to us for 15/year.

Denver will likely bump that up. Let's say to 16/year

If Osweiller hits free agency then he turned that down.

Even if we assume Denver won't go any higher, we would be bidding vs other teams, I suspect Houston would go hard after him. All things equal contract wise he would be a fool to pick us over Houston. So Houston tops Denver's offer. That raises it to 18/year.

That's how I came up with 20/year for Oweiller to come to Cleveland.

Again, not what I would do, but I think the talk of possibly signing Osweiller to a 15/year contract to have him come to Cleveland is not a reasonable talking point.

yeah I agree, i was just trying to get that point in before someone said its not our money and we should pay 20mil/yr to get him..lol

Draft our best guess at two. Relative bargain for two with front money guaranteed.

Good for Manning! But why we should match that bloated offer or surpass it for what he is worth eludes me. One big thing at a time. Not him or Kaep, I hope.

At a much lower price. And you are the only one who seems to think neither of these QBs are first round QBs.

Keep trying though.

No he's not. I've stated more than once that I believe the only reason they are considered first round QBs is because they are the best of this class.

The best of class doesn't automatically make them first round value.

I'll take Vers' QB opinion over that of many. I view his QB evaluations as I do Overtoad's: I've seen both right about QBs enough that I think they know what they're talking about. Doesn't mean they're always right about a quarterback, but still....

I trust Daniel Jeremiah, a guy who was a scout and who turned down GM jobs this off-season, over Versatile Dog.

He gets on people for stating their opinion as fact, what is this:



Goff/Wentz and a rookie contract > Osweiler and $45 million

I don't care about some scout, they're wrong a lot because it's a crapshoot. And I don't want Brock either.

Thanks ddub and lamp. I appreciate it.

Just so you two know..........I am not advocating the Browns pay huge money to Brock. I just thought cfrs made a statement that was full of bias and ignorance.

You wanna make an argument for drafting a qb at number 2 by saying the FA has only 7 starts???? You know how lame that is? Seriously, which collegiate qb has more NFL starts than 7? What a dumb argument. And crfs is not dumb, so it has to be that he was trying to deceive people.

I will say this: I think this year's top QBs all come w/more than ordinary risks when it comes to drafting them first through tenth overall. However, that does not mean that they won't be good. One of them might be. Two may be. Zero may be. I really don't know and I am NOT saying they suck. I am saying they are very risky, especially when you consider you almost have to give them 4 years w/out even trying to acquire a replacement. Additionally, you are forfeiting your chance at grabbing a true impact player at another position.

I worry because our new regime is very concerned w/marketing. It supercedes talent evaluation. Most want a qb at 2.....so, that is probably what they will get.

Get ready for 3-4 years worth of excuses. Wanna hear a few?

---Our OL sucks.

--We have no WRs.

--The defense is so bad that it puts too much pressure on our qb to make plays.

--He played at a small college. He needs time to adapt to the NFL game.

--Our running game sucks.

--Pep Hamilton is an idiot and needs to be fired today!!!!

--John Elway started off bad and he is a HOFer.

--Can we give the guy 3 years before we write him off?

--Brown's fans suck. They want instant gratification. They are the reason Wentz/Goff is struggling.

<<Yawn>>

I'd rather have McCown than Brock for the same money. Take the 15 mil and build the rest of the team.

Why on earth would b Os want to come here when he could be in Denver? Cleveland is where qb come to die

Excellent point, Eve.

"I don't trust some scout [who interviewed for GM positions this off-season], I do trust some dude on a message board who says he knows stuff."

Also, he would be learning a new system, have new teammates, have to live in a new city, etc.

It really makes no sense for Osweiler to even consider coming to our team unless we massively overpay him (which it seems like the Broncos are already going to do).

It makes no sense for him to go to any other team in the league.

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Did you read your post before you posted this?