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man.... I liked Benji... o well.. he can be replaced.. buut damn.. wish we could keep our own.
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man.... I liked Benji... o well.. he can be replaced.. buut damn.. wish we could keep our own. I'm interested to see what money he is getting from the Chargers. To be clear on Travis Benjamin, there was a ton of interest in the market for him (as there should've been). Fresh off his best season ever.
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I'm okay with Travis leaving, something tells me the numbers San Diego may be offering is high. Granted he does returns too, he's just not a WR good enough to run routes that result in having to cross into the middle. I'm even more so okay if we can get Marvin Jones.
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I won't be too upset if the Browns don't sign Benji. He shouldn't be too hard to replace.
However, I think losing Mack, Gipson, and Scwartz could be devastating.
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Travis Benjamin to sign with San Diego ChargersThe Chargers are adding a big-play weapon for Philip Rivers. Rand Getlin reports per a sourced informed of the negotiations, former Browns receiver Travis Benjamin will sign with the Chargers once deals can become official on Wednesday. Benjamin, who is just 26, was one of the top names in an underwhelming receiver market. He caught a career-high 68 passes for 966 yards and five touchdowns in a breakout year with the Browns in 2015. Despite a horrid quarterback carousel during his time in the AFC North, Benjamin was a bright spot with a devastating combination of speed and explosiveness. In a new system developed by Chargers coordinator Ken Whisenhunt, he should be one of Rivers' top targets alongside Keenan Allen. Benjamin received an offer to stay in Cleveland and was reportedly drawing heavy interest in Houston and Atlanta, where he would have been paired with his former offensive coordinator, Kyle Shanahan. None of those materialized, leaving Cleveland most notably without any sound options in the passing game outside of Brian Hartline and Andrew Hawkins. The news should be positive for the Chargers who have managed to lock up one of the better free agents available despite some uncertainty on their own end in terms of a stadium and future location. They get a veteran replacement for the retired Malcolm Floyd and the chance to kick start an offense that stalled under high expectations a year ago. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-diego-chargers
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However, I think losing Mack, Gipson, and Scwartz could be devastating. Especially Mack or Mitchell. Those two out the door would leave holes the size of... 
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youth and building through the draft are the right Every regime I can remember had the same philosophy. It's nothing new. We'll see what happens, but if the reports are true, the Browns are going to lose some of their home-grown, fairly-young, and better players and will replace them w/guys who aren't as good. That sounds identical to what we did the last couple of years. That about sums it up, so far. New boss, same as the old boss. Because the home-grown young guys we have aren't the guys of the new FO, though, they don't see it as we do - that they're simply letting solid talent walk. I fully understand what this FO is built for and around, and I could not care less what they do if it works and we start winning - but I'm not sold AT ALL on the idea that they're going to pull it off. I think that they're probably already screwing it up (judging off of what is happening with Mack & Schwartz). Treading water with the talent level while shedding the current free agents and replacing them by bringing in a bunch of guys that the new coach has worked with before.... the standard NFL recipe for a new coach's first year; and utterly stupid beyond belief that we have to watch this unfold yet again.
Good to see other fans who are tired of watching good Browns players leave in free agency and then watch the NEW FRONT OFFICE spend excessively to land someone elses FA...it makes zero sense and in most cases, the Browns end up with a player who under performs and is only here to draw a pay check.
Building a team via the draft is not just about drafting our own players...retaining those players, who have improved and become some of the best at their position in the NFL while playing under their rookie contracts..retaining those players who are entering their second or third contracts is also necessary if the Browns are truly committed to building their team via the draft and using the Steelers model as your guide.
It is Jimmy Haslam who says he is building the Browns franchise in the image of the Steelers. If that is the case, it should not matter who is in the front office or if the front office personnel change. The Boss, who set the goal of building his franchise through the draft, should get the final word on who is retained.
If the Browns do pull the same old crap, allowing their own players to leave in free agency, then going out and spending big on other team's leftovers, Haslam should be questioned about his claim of building the Browns via the draft.
One last thing...nothing chaps me more than to watch a game and see one of our now X-Browns playing very well for another team. There are teams just waiting to land some of those Browns players that our front office is unwilling to retain. Sometimes we see our X-Browns in the playoffs and/or a Super Bowl...
Other teams see the value in some of our players..why can't our own front office see that value?
note: and yes, I understand some players want to leave Cleveland..but not all of them.
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Travis Benjamin to sign with San Diego Chargers
Sanu might be an upgrade over Benji, with his size 6-2, 210 and to my knowledge, he has two good knees.
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Really can't blame Benjamin or any other player for leaving the Browns after years of losing and staff changes.
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man.... I liked Benji... o well.. he can be replaced.. buut damn.. wish we could keep our own. This is how I feel. He is replaceable, as most are. But him leaving creates yet another hole to fill. While him being our best WR last year may not be saying much, he was still our best WR, as well as our PR. Now, if SD, or whoever, gave him crazy money then I can see us not retaining him, and good for Travis. But if it is a reasonable deal, and Rabbit seemed open to staying here, then I will wonder at the decision to add yet another need to our basket.
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I'm even more so okay if we can get Marvin Jones. 
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j/c: Dolphins pulled transition tag because they will get a compensatory draft pick when Olivier Vernon leaves; wouldn't have if he left tagged.
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I saw a report in bleacher report that says agent are saying Browns don't want to make a splash in free agency. Kind of a head scratcher. We can't draft well, we can't retain our own good free agents and we don't want to bring in any good free agents. I guess Jimmy wants to keep payroll cheap and doesn't really value winning. Actions speak louder than words. Don't see this turning into any kind of winning team soon ...
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Every agent I've spoken to says same exact thing about Browns exec VP Sashi Brown: He's not looking to make a splash in free agency.
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general comment... if we can't keep Mack and Schwartz, and we aren't in the market for Harrison, I'd be fine if we don't sign ANY FA before the draft. We have the potential to get two 3rds and potentially two 4ths for our main FAs and there's really nobody out there I'm interested in that hasn't already come to an agreement. There aren't difference makers available.
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Ian Rappaport, Rand Getlin saying Iloka and Bengals are close to an agreement.
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Jason La Canfora Verified account @JasonLaCanfora Sanu and Matthews very hot among teams interested in WRs. Sanu long been top target for NYG. CLE swinging and missing on WRS thus far Tweet
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Don't hold your breath by Hawkins a past teammate of Jones and probably in communication with him. I believe that is a Lion at the end of his statement. Can we assume that he has a little info from Jones that he is actually ready to sign with the Browns???
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Benji and others...most Homers (not me in this case) will let us know how bad he was and good riddance. Most negative posters will be telling us how good Benji was and its a shame we couldn't sign him...lol 
Note I said most... just like in Benji's case I said not me (I have done with others in the past)there are negative guys not saying it was a big mistake... 
Center, RT and FS are not impossible to fill positions. I hate losing any of them especially Mack and Gipson...but these are positions we should have filled within a year or two.
Mac...when did we have GOOD PLAYERS that we have always been losing? This is the first time we did of this magnitude. I know we lost Cameron but if we look back we replaced him with a player that made the Pro Bowl.
I don't like losing players especially good ones. But we should have had these guys signed a while ago. I heard a guest expert on Mike n Mike yesterday stating how its too late to have talks with this guy or that from their old teams, he said the opportunity to sign them was last year. He was not talking about the Browns.
I don't consider this a precedent of the new Regime. They were put in a position of NO LEVERAGE.. at the witching hour.
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Ian Rappert Verified account @RapSheet The #Bengals are closing in on a deal with star S George Iloka, source said. They should keep one of their own. Tweet
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"Don't hold your breath" was in response to a Browns-themed twitter account saying "Marvin Jones, come on down!"
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. Can we assume that he has a little info from Jones that he is actually ready to sign with the Browns???
That was a monkey at the end of his tweet, as in, speak no evil. Marvin Jones signed with the Lions.
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I guess we weren't part of his difficult decision. Michael Silver Verified account @MikeSilver Marvin Jones told me it was a 'stressful decision' & that he ultimately chose the Lions over the Patriots and Bengals @nflnetwork Tweet
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Interesting. Michael Silver Verified account @MikeSilver I know Hue Jackson is very high on Marvin Jones from their time in Cincinnati. Yet I'm told the Browns oddly didn't come after Jones. Tweet
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Just want to add that a BIG SPLASH and a good to solid free agent period are two totally different things.
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Thank you for educating me 
So its Sanu or nothing.
Also how come we have not heard anything from the NFL office regarding Gordon? Do they at least let Sashi know so that we can adjust our needs of FA.
Note usually draft is about BPA and FA is about needs.
The price of everything seems to have gone up dramatically this year. Just wish everyone to know I don't know any team that did anything by heavily investing in the FA Market. At best it might get them in the playoffs and then one and done.
Only to have to get rid of a lot of them due to cap issues arising. All I know is we got to start winning drafts investments consistently over the next 3 years. If we can get 3 solid Starters eventually from each draft with good depth...we will be at Championship door knocking within 3 years!
At the most we can add maybe 2 Impact FA but no more!
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Who cares who we draft if we're just gonna let them walk once their contracts are up?
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We have yet to see what these guys will do in regards to 2nd contracts. They came on board and it was past the witching hour. (Except for Mack).
To acclaim this is how they roll to me falls on deaf ears.
If it happens in their regime with their young players. That is a different story. But acting as - its futile for really anything lets just give up. Is not my bag of tee and not what I'm seeing.
January most teams are waiting for the SB. After the SB...we are still hiring staff. The way new Regimes go...So we have had around 1 month of good negotiation Windows with these Browns. Almost always with Browns or any other team if it goes this far without a contract...players will wait for FA to see what their worth is in the market.
Maybe they can throw a lot more money then what they are??? I don't know any of the offers being made. What I do know is they didn't create this environment of not signing these players. They were thrown right in the middle of it. My point to ASSUME this is how they roll I think is not a fair assumption.
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general comment... if we can't keep Mack and Schwartz, and we aren't in the market for Harrison, I'd be fine if we don't sign ANY FA before the draft. We have the potential to get two 3rds and potentially two 4ths for our main FAs and there's really nobody out there I'm interested in that hasn't already come to an agreement. There aren't difference makers available. I usually agree w/your takes, but I really don't agree w/you here. Losing some of your very best players and not signing guys to replace them is not very smart. Build through the draft? We always say that. So, you draft guys and then allow them to walk when they are in their prime years. Pfffttttt......... I think the Browns are more interested in marketing and money than winning football games.
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Lane Adkins bashing FO on twitter for being non committal with agents and not being aggressive enough for guys they wanted.
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Uh oh, Browns may be going for the cheapest team award again. Mary Kay Cabot Verified account @MaryKayCabot I'm told the #Browns came in with a low offer for #Bengals WR Marvin Jones and were not serious contenders Tweet
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Uh oh, Browns may be going for the cheapest team award again. Mary Kay Cabot Verified account @MaryKayCabot I'm told the #Browns came in with a low offer for #Bengals WR Marvin Jones and were not serious contenders Tweet Sweet. We're like the Bengals, but can't draft anywhere near as good. This franchise is earning another bad reputation for being cheap.
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general comment... if we can't keep Mack and Schwartz, and we aren't in the market for Harrison, I'd be fine if we don't sign ANY FA before the draft. We have the potential to get two 3rds and potentially two 4ths for our main FAs and there's really nobody out there I'm interested in that hasn't already come to an agreement. There aren't difference makers available. I usually agree w/your takes, but I really don't agree w/you here. Losing some of your very best players and not signing guys to replace them is not very smart. Build through the draft? We always say that. So, you draft guys and then allow them to walk when they are in their prime years. Pfffttttt......... I think the Browns are more interested in marketing and money than winning football games. To me, the guys to keep are Mack and Schwartz. I want us to keep them. That's why I started off with that qualifier. I would be OK with Wisniewski, but he's not a power guy and Jackson said he prefers power scheme. What I don't want is to sign mediocre players to contracts big enough we are forced to play them at the expense of developing young guys. In addition to that, we would potentially lose high comp picks in next year's draft if we sign these also-rans. Would you trade our 3rd round or 4th round pick for Marvin Jones? Would you trade our 2017 third or fourth round pick for Marvin Jones? That's essentially what we would be doing by signing them. I want us to keep our good players (Mack and Schwartz.) You and I have disagreed on how good Gipson is since he cracked the lineup. Benjamin played well last year but I want WRs who can score TDs from all over the field, not guys who need space.
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Uh oh, Browns may be going for the cheapest team award again. Mary Kay Cabot Verified account @MaryKayCabot I'm told the #Browns came in with a low offer for #Bengals WR Marvin Jones and were not serious contenders Tweet Sweet. We're like the Bengals, but can't draft anywhere near as good. This franchise is earning another bad reputation for being cheap. That is a risk I had Zegura ask Sashi Brown about on CBD: Are you concerned about losing out using analyticas-based free agent $$ amounts in the new large cap market?
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