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I wonder if Rubio might not, as we used to say in sales, make a new decision regarding his chances in Florida.

Man, he got lambasted in Michigan (4th place, by a mile) and only got 5.1% in Mississippi. (also 4th place) He is sitting 3rd place in Idaho.

If it looks like he is going to come in 2nd, or even 3rd, in Florida ..... does he stay in and suffer the stigma of losing his home state badly, and probably end any future Presidential aspirations .... or does he gets out and save face for a future run?

I think that this coming week will be really interesting.

I also think that, while Kasich says he's not interested, he has to be firmly establishing himself at the top of everyone's VP list. (if he can't pull off the Hail Mary)

Rubio basically has to stay in it for Florida because of the small chance of victory.

He got zero delegates on 3/8. He's dead.

Kasich has to stay in it till Ohio, then he's dead.

Don't you think Christie has already lined himself up to be Trump's VP?

Also, if the Republicans are hoping for a brokered convention, then it would make sense for these guys to stick around even longer.

It's a broken party.

Nope.

Trump will already compete strongly in NY/NJ. How does Christie help him in a key state that any Republican has to win, like Ohio or Florida?

Christie will be AG if Trump wins. In many ways, that's a more impactful position anyway.

Trump will go with another business person as VP. If he didn't need her to run his businesses it would be his daughter.

The original:

i knew you couldn't resist this one.

Actuall youre really wrong...he said he wants someone more political and knows the workings of DC.

His daughter I think they are prepping Don JR for politics and I like him better then big Don. But youre way off on what you said.

I am interested to see how Bernie did among Black voters in Michigan, Swish had said they are beginning to take notice of Bern and I think Michigan has a large Black population. Did they go for Bernie?

Joe Scarborough nails it! Reaganomics’ failure has led to the rise of Trump’s populist campaign

Donald Trump’s success in the GOP race is causing the Republican party to scratch their heads and fear the worst. And so far, no Republican has been able to understand why Trump is as successful as he is in this race.

Theories have abounded in right wing circles that maybe they just need a more conservative candidate to jump into the race. Or surely if they funnel tens of millions of dollars into Rubio’s campaign, more people will fall in line. Or maybe they need a more logical candidate like John Kasich (R-Ohio). Or maybe people like Trump’s bullying, and if another candidate matches him, they’ll be successful too. But they’ve all been wrong, and no Republican has been able to look introspectively at the party and name what gives Trump huge popularity — until now.

Tuesday morning on Morning Joe , former Republican lawmaker and host Joe Scarborough actually nailed exactly why Trump is so successful in this race — Reaganomics is an abysmal failure. For the last 30 years, Republicans have peddled an economic plan that only favors the rich, but with the promise that the wealth at the top would trickle down to ordinary Americans. Scarborough points out, though, that “it never trickles down.”

Scarborough explains:

“The problem with the Republican Party over the past 30 years is they haven’t — and I’ll say, we haven’t — developed a message that appeals to the working class Americans economically in a way that Donald Trump’s does.”

BOOM. Exactly.

Scarborough continues:

“We talk about cutting capital gains taxes that the 10,000 people that in the crowd cheering for Donald Trump, they are never going to get a capital gains cut because it doesn’t apply.

“We talk about getting rid of the death tax, the death tax is not going to impact the 10,000 people in the crowd for Donald Trump. We talk about how great free trade deals are. Those free trade deals never trickle down to those 10,000 people in Donald Trump’s rallies.”

Chuck Todd chimes in that Scarborough “sounds like Bernie Sanders.” And that really is the crux of Sanders’ message, the wealth goes to the top and stays at the top, and it’s why a virtually unknown Senator from Vermont was able to be competitive with a Democratic elite like Hillary Clinton.

Scarborough points out that the people in Trump’s rallies are the people who became unemployed after these trade deals. They never see a stream of wealth trickle down, and that right there is why Trump’s populist message is resonating so well within the right wing voting base.

Scarborough continues, saying:


“The Republicans said, listen, we’re going to have all of these trade deals and tax cuts that benefit our wealthiest donor class, but we’ll give them the social issues. We’ll give them abortion, we’ll give them gay marriage, we’ll give them guns and they’ll vote for us.”

And that’s exactly it.

Republicans’ social issues are being held hostage so voters will continue to vote against their interests. And the same thing is also happening in the Democratic field, they hold liberals’ social issues hostage, so they can continue to pass off trade deals and deregulation to help those at the top. NAFTA was passed by a Democratic president. Wall Street deregulation was passed by a Democratic president. Our current Democratic president is trying to pass the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Now, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are shaking it up in their respective parties, saying “ENOUGH!” And that message is resonating well with voters. We want our side’s social issues, but more importantly, now more than ever, we want an economy that works for us. We want good, high-paying jobs; we want our dignity back. We want economic freedom, not economic slavery, and so far only Trump and Sanders are making that the focus of their campaigns.

Scarborough says:


“What we’re finding this year is, they’ll even support a guy who says Planned Parenthood is good if he comes with an economic approach that they feel that could actually help them more in the future.”

So, if populism is incredibly popular within the working class on the left and right — the largest voting group in America — it explains why Senators Marco Rubio’s campaign is circling the drain. Rubio still represents conservatism as it was “defined by the donor class, as defined by the wealthiest Republicans,” Scarborough says.

So perhaps on Friday, as our nation sends off Nancy Reagan, we can hold a joint funeral for Reaganomics too.

http://news.groopspeak.com/joe-scarborou...to-split-video/

Finally and thankfully from my perspective (even though I think Trump is a POS) the republican voter has finally figured out that they are the ones that have been stepping on their own dicks for decades now.

Reagonomics is dead, Thank God.

This exemplifies why Hillary won't get my vote during primary season.

The social issues keep the base locked, but they sneak awful economic policies while trumpeting their social policy goals.

That article is pile of dung...all that writing just to say Trump no good...stupid supporter have no job. Man why do I waste my time with this garbage this early in the morning...I was pulling for the socialist to beat Hillary last night but damn reading stuff from his supporters I think I'll just pull for the criminal Clinton from now on...to keep drilling the bern.

I'm tired of this mess....

I'm solidly in Bernie's corner and I would/will only vote for Hillary as a last resort. She is as bad if not worse then the republicans IMO, but Trump IMO is just not an option.

I have said this "IF the Democratic party doesn't clean up it's act immediately and denounce PAC money they will end up on the scrap heap next to the republicans". Enough of this nonsense I say.

Corruption has to end we all of us regardless of party have to demand it end NOW. I actually give huge kudo's to the republican voter for finally seeing through and reacting to corruption and the trickle down policies of Reagan. That combo is about to end the republican party as we know it today.JMHO

So we will be sending off Nancy Reagan, again without our Commander in Chief in attendance. He has time to play golf, meet with BLM and black panther leaders on a weekly basis but no time to attend the funeral of a chief justice and a former first lady. He makes it very easy to not like him.

Hillary won them but the margins were much closer and in the 18-29 age group it was virtually a tie. Hillary won by like 1 or 2 points.

Not saying it's acceptable, but he's just following what others have done in the past. Same goes for Scalia, too.

Hence why he's not much of a leader to me; I'm quite liberal, and I would've gone to both. Hell, I even went to the George W. Bush presidential center just yesterday.

Obama continually shows he's just another bought off corporate shill, much like Clinton, who doped the American populace into thinking he represented the best interests of all Americans.

In a way I give trump credit for doing what he does. He's not bought off, but I'd never vote for him.

I wouldn't go either if I were Obama, you likely won't understand this but I think Reagan did more damage to this country then any other president EVER.

By sending his wife he shows respect for Reagan as a former but not too much. I actually concur with his position. But hey its fine by me.

Did you happen to read the piece I put up in regards to our little talk yesterday?

Oh hell let me post it again its just that important.


Health Insurance Premiums Up 131% in Last Ten Years

By Brad Tuttle @bradrtuttleSept. 16, 2009Add a Comment

Today, the average cost of a family health insurance offered by an employer is $13,375. That’s up 131% over the last decade—a period in which inflation rose only 28%. And one estimate says that if costs continue on their current trajectory, premiums will go up another 166% in the decade ahead.

The data was collected by the Kaiser Family Foundation and comes via USA Today:


Since 1999, health insurance premiums for families rose 131%, the report found, far more than the general rate of inflation, which increased 28% over the same period. Overall, health care in the United States is expected to cost $2.6 trillion this year, or 17% of the nation’s economy, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

At the same time costs have gone up dramatically, the policies have grown less generous, and more likely to add deductibles to be paid by the policy holder:


The annual survey of more than 2,000 companies also found that 40% of small-business employees enrolled in individual health plans pay annual deductibles of $1,000 or more. That’s almost twice the number who paid that much in 2007.

Unsurprisingly, employers will be passing along the most recent rises in premiums to their employees, as reported in the Washington Post’s look at the Kaiser survey:


Forty percent of employers surveyed said they are likely to increase the amount their workers pay out of pocket for doctor visits. Almost as many said they are likely to raise annual deductibles and the amount workers pay for prescription drugs.

Nine percent said they plan to tighten eligibility for health benefits; 8 percent said they plan to drop coverage entirely. Forty-one percent of employers said they are “somewhat” or “very” likely to increase the amount employees pay in premiums — though that would not necessarily mean employees would pay a higher percentage of the premiums. Employers could simply be passing along the same share of the overall increase that they are doing this year…

A major business lobby weighed in Tuesday, saying that if current trends continue, annual health-care costs for employers will rise 166 percent over the next decade — to $28,530 per employee.

Of course, health care reform is supposed to help us avoid another decade of drastic price increases. But will it? The WSJ reports that portions of the middleclass will be hurt financially—because they make too much money for assistance, and yet they make too little to afford health insurance without it being a large burden. One man interviewed in the WSJ story who lives in Massachusetts, where if you don’t have health insurance you are subject to a fine, pays the annual penalty, which is cheaper than any insurance premium. He sums up his predicament thusly: “I can’t use up all of my savings just to buy mandatory insurance,” he says. It’s like penalizing “the homeless for refusing to buy a mansion.”

Or perhaps, as the Washington Post reports, it is young people—folks in their 20s and 30s who are generally healthy and more likely to skip out on health insurance—who will be hit by any national requirement to have insurance:


In part, young adults are uninsured because they are less likely to work for employers who offer coverage; they may not qualify for public programs such as Medicaid; and even the skimpiest private insurance plans may be too expensive alongside hefty student loan payments and credit card debt.

But some young people — nicknamed the “young invincibles” — are also likelier than other Americans to assume that they won’t need health insurance or to decide that they’d rather spend their money on other things.

To discourage that attitude, the Finance Committee bill would fine individuals who do not purchase coverage. An early draft of the proposal set the penalty at $750 or $950 per year for single people, depending on income. But according to various insurance experts, even the least expensive plan under the bill could cost more than $100 per month, making it cheaper for people to pay the fine than to buy insurance.

Fining people who don’t opt into a program seems a little ass-backwards—and it also seems that it’ll bring about all sorts of administrative costs to enforce. Shouldn’t the plan be attractive enough so that people actually want to sign up? A positive rather than negative incentive? Maybe I’m asking too much.

A must-read for anyone interested in fixing American health care is the Atlantic Monthly’s story “How American Health Care Killed My Father.” It’s written not by a politician or doctor or insurance wonk or even a “writer,” but by a guy whose father died unnecessarily—basically due to an infection he caught in a hospital because someone didn’t wash their hands. (That’s just one thing the writer would like to fix: Can we actually make doctors wash their hands for chrissakes?)

The story takes a very big-picture view of the situation, and among other topics, questions something assumed. Namely, that it actually makes any sense whatsoever to use insurance for all medical care expenses, big and small:


Insurance is probably the most complex, costly, and distortional method of financing any activity; that’s why it is otherwise used to fund only rare, unexpected, and large costs. Imagine sending your weekly grocery bill to an insurance clerk for review, and having the grocer reimbursed by the insurer to whom you’ve paid your share. An expensive and wasteful absurdity, no?

And here’s another snippet from the piece to chew on:


Let’s say you’re a 22-year-old single employee at my company today, starting out at a $30,000 annual salary. Let’s assume you’ll get married in six years, support two children for 20 years, retire at 65, and die at 80. Now let’s make a crazy assumption: insurance premiums, Medicare taxes and premiums, and out-of-pocket costs will grow no faster than your earnings—say, 3 percent a year. By the end of your working days, your annual salary will be up to $107,000. And over your lifetime, you and your employer together will have paid $1.77 million for your family’s health care. $1.77 million! And that’s only after assuming the taming of costs! In recent years, health-care costs have actually grown 2 to 3 percent faster than the economy. If that continues, your 22-year-old self is looking at an additional $2 million or so in expenses over your lifetime—roughly $4 million in total.

http://business.time.com/2009/09/16/health-insurance-premiums-up-131-in-last-ten-years/

Like I said we can't afford not to institute Bernie's single payer plan. Compare 14 trillion over 10 years to the 2.6 will pay this year alone, do the math dude if that don't change your mind I sure as hell won't either.

We will spend 2.6 Trillion on health insurance this year, even if Bernie is off by 50% will save money and have better insurance, and insurance for all to boot. This is as close to a no brainer as it gets.

Time to feel the Bern DC we finally have the guy we all should have been waiting for, for oh so long. It's a time to make a change and restore what has been taken or given away back. Stand for yourself and for your country we deserve a better life full of hope for ourselves and our children and all the generations to follow. This is that time to stand and make a difference.

You harp on decency, helping others, and respect for all yet are OK with not attending the funerals of prominent American leaders. Typical liberal mindset. I don't care how much you disliked someone or disagree with their political beliefs - as a President you show respect for those that served the country at the highest level. Period. Your mindset is why it is impossible to reason with liberals, as you threw in my face earlier.

Swish may be right then. I hate it.

Do you foam at the mouth when you say liberals? Jeez...

Political analysis is my lane bro.

As a matter of fact, since Columbus hates us liberals so much, when I finish school imma run for office. In Columbus.

Who was the ones a few months back that told me this wasnt the end game for healthcare??? You know I'm almost to a point I hope you all get it...You think the healthcare sucks now..wait till you get a taste of single payer....Nothing the government is in charge of ends up cheaper...absolutely nothing.

I'm going to go hang with the granddaughter this is not how I'm starting my morning....GO TRUMP GO!! 3 out of 4 wasnt bad and Hawaii surprised the crap out of me.

Of course the religious nut cases and polygamist picked Cruz in Idaho, bro. Haha, or trump would've brought the broom out. Sweeeeeep

YEP...

You wouldn't believe how hard I root for Trump, I don't like Trump but Cruz is spooky and scares the hell out of me.

He says he stands for religious freedom and the constitution but I think the religious freedom he speaks of is his version and only his version. The constitution is all good with him as long as it works in his favor and is interpreted according to him. He is a liar beyond anything I could ever imagine possible and it scares me that he does so, so effortlessly.

He believes that he was sent by God himself to lead us and that really scares me. So yeah count me in GO Trump.

No, I have many liberals that I consider very good friends. No foaming at the mouth. BBTB has called us conservatives (though I'm more libertarian as I am fiscally conservative and more liberal socially) devils that lack any compassion towards other human beings (yes, I'm paraphrasing) so I get a little ticked when they find it perfectly OK to be disrespectful to others. It is two-faced.

And for you to say "foaming at the mouth" to someone else? Wow, you do it all of the time! Not saying that I care you do it, but to call others out on it is kinda funny.

I call it honesty not vailed respect for someone or something I despise. I wouldn't expect you to understand that so why did I just waste a minute of my time explaining it to you.

I'm sorry I hurt your feeling honestly, but I am very plain spoken and passionate about what I believe, I respect and accept the same from others, but that hardly means I don't care about you to Columbus cause I do brother so you know. Misguided life's matter TOO....hahaha

Hurt my feelings, lol. Sorry, political discussions do not hurt my feelings. I'm way to happy with my life to let some silly political discussion affect me whatsoever.

I like your bluntness BTTB, I prefer that people don't beat around the bush. Passion is great! I'm guessing if we ever met in person we would get along splendidly. You are passionate about what you believe and I respect that thoroughly. Your positions are well thought out, I just don't agree with all of them.

As it should be that's what makes it fun too.

Yep!

Get a room already!

Opposites attract. Which is why I expect you and Swish to be getting a room soon too.

No way, he hogs the sheets!

I thought that was only Trump supporters like David Duke.

Besties for life!

NO!

NO BESTIES!!!

STOP IT!

Just clicking, but is this the worst class of candidates EVER or what?

Gee.... thanks for that image....

No, you really don't. You have shown very little respect and absolutely zero acceptance of opinions that differ from yours. You have essentially said that anybody who doesn't accept Bernie's cradle to grave government coddling just doesn't care about people, doesn't care about his fellow man, etc... So yes, you are plain spoken and passionate about your opinions but you are as closed minded about accepting others opinions as anybody on here.

I find it quite ironic that in one thread there is almost universal agreement that giving a kid 60% for not doing the work is stupid, that passing them along and failing to ever hold them accountable for deadlines and work product is wrong, etc... but in this thread, if you don't believe the government should guarantee your maternity leave, your daycare, your education, your higher education, your healthcare, your retirement, guarantee you a wage, guarantee you benefits, guarantee that banks can't raise rates if you are a risk, etc.. well if you don't believe the government should do all that for you, then you aren't compassionate...

i tried foaming at the mouth, shaking my face, so spit goes flying when i say the word conservative.

it doesn't have the same violent effect as saying liberal does.

somebody called me a filthy liberal who hates america on the Right Wing News page on facebook the other day.

i was imagining him saying that in real life, probably turning red in the face or something.