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Why on earth would b Os want to come here when he could be in Denver? Cleveland is where qb come to die
Just to play devil's advocate ....... is it any better to be the QB who succeeded Peyton Manning? That's a tough road as well. Every time he ,makes the slightest mistake, and, heaven forbid, loses a game as a result, all people will say is "We would have won if we still had Peyton". (and people will even forget the rough way Manning played most of this season)
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I don't care about some scout, they're wrong a lot because it's a crapshoot. And I don't want Brock either. Did you read your post before you posted this? Bit of an exaggeration, but I think you get my point: scouts are wrong all the time. Remember when Mayock raved about Gilbert when we took him? One example of many....
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4 Guaranteed Years to a QB that shouldn't even be considered in the first round. At a much lower price. And you are the only one who seems to think neither of these QBs are first round QBs. Keep trying though. Oh they are probably 1st rounders, my thought has been not top 10.
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Just so we're straight here, I'm not on some bandwagon to draft a QB at #2. But there are things to consider that counter your supposition.
Firstly, you should never draft a QB at #2 that your not 100% sold on. But if this group does draft a QB at #2, that means they are sold on him.
For the sake of argument, let's say that one of these QB's are #12 on your big board. You do realize that the QB position is elevated due to the position, correct? You don't have another pick until #32.
So would you pass on a QB rated #12 on your big board if you are sold on the idea that QB will be your franchise QB? Franchise QB's aren't just lying around everywhere. They are extremely hard to come by as we see across the league.
I'm not saying there is a franchise QB in this draft. However, if Hue sees one, that will be our pick. And whether anyone sees him worthy of a top 10 pick won't change anything.
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I simply responded to you in the manner you responded to me. Both were equally logical. No, I think your argument about how he's sat behind Manning is not any guarantee he'll be much of anything. More telling than anything is that John Elway thought enough of him to make that offer. But him simply sitting behind Manning doesn't mean a thing unless he has the intelligence and physical gifts it takes to be a starter in the NFL. I was pointing that out, but as usual, you go out and put words in peoples mouths. I have an issue with other peoples QB's as a rule.. But I have to admit, I was dead wrong on Manning when he left Indy for Denver. I thought he was done then. I also made the same mistake about Drew Brees when he left for New Orleans. Of course, those were different. Both of those involved injuries that could have derailed the careers of Manning and Brees. This is different. For me, it's a lot of money for a guy with 7 starts. Albeit he seems to have played pretty well. He's got the size you want and a good arm. So it may be worth it to take a swing for him. I doubt he jumps from the Broncos however. He's got a home there and oddly enough, it's close to his real home. (he's from Idaho) That and the fact that he doesn't have to carry the Broncos. That D is stout and can take them to the promised land at anytime. Could be that if they keep that D together, they can win it all again next season. I don't see him leaving just for the money.. Just don't see it. Unless of course we offer him 6 years at 100 million with 40 or so Guaranteed. That I believe I'd object to. But it's not my money.. Of course sitting behind Manning isn't a guarantee. There ARE no guarantees in football. It DOES most certainly give him a good start though. He's ahead of a rookie by a mile. Being 6'7" helps too. Being athletic helps. Having a lively arm helps. NONE of those things are guarantees. No guarantee with the 2nd pick either. Taking QB's in the first is 50/50 at BEST. So why not hedge our bet, sign a Brock in FA(If he's fool enough to not take the Denver offer) AND take a QB at 2 or at 32 or whatever. Even if Brock signs with Denver, and we take a QB at 2, we should STILL be looking for trades and perhaps take another later in the draft. We've been QB poor for too damned long. I say do what Seattle did. Keep bringing in QB's from every source until you FIND one.
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If what I saw this season from him is indicative of what a 4 year veteran looks like sitting behind Manning, I want no part of it.
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Fact is Denver didn't really offer 15 million a year. It was UP to 15 mill. HEAVY incentive laden contract. At least that's the word on the web. NFL network etc. We might get him for considerably less than that. I'd certainly be looking in to it. Sign him AND draft a QB we'd have much better chances at hitting on one.
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If I was Brock Osweiler, i would settle for considerably less to stay in Denver rather than go to Cleveland. Sign me up to play with that defense, just manage games, not a ton of pressure to be a savior, stay in the system I'm in.. if I'm halfway decent we are going to win at least 10 or 11 games and be in the playoffs most years.... or go to Cleveland, where statistics show there is a high probability that I will be out of the NFL in 2 years..
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Os also needs to work on his pizza box control. He's going to lose a lot of pizza in the coming years if he can't control it.
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Os also needs to work on his pizza box control. He's going to lose a lot of pizza in the coming years if he can't control it. I wouldn't worry. Os had learned plenty about football AND Pizza under Peyton.
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Os also needs to work on his pizza box control. He's going to lose a lot of pizza in the coming years if he can't control it. I wouldn't worry. Os had learned plenty about football AND Pizza under Peyton. This wouldn't have happened at a Papa John's.
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Os also needs to work on his pizza box control. He's going to lose a lot of pizza in the coming years if he can't control it. I wouldn't worry. Os had learned plenty about football AND Pizza under Peyton. This wouldn't have happened at a Papa John's. I did notice it wasn't a Papa John's pizza box. But he can't just hold a pizza box vertical. That's bad pizza box handling.
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If I was Brock Osweiler, i would settle for considerably less to stay in Denver rather than go to Cleveland. Sign me up to play with that defense, just manage games, not a ton of pressure to be a savior, stay in the system I'm in.. if I'm halfway decent we are going to win at least 10 or 11 games and be in the playoffs most years.... or go to Cleveland, where statistics show there is a high probability that I will be out of the NFL in 2 years.. yup, no brainer
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If I was Brock Osweiler, i would settle for considerably less to stay in Denver rather than go to Cleveland. Sign me up to play with that defense, just manage games, not a ton of pressure to be a savior, stay in the system I'm in.. if I'm halfway decent we are going to win at least 10 or 11 games and be in the playoffs most years.... or go to Cleveland, where statistics show there is a high probability that I will be out of the NFL in 2 years.. Very logical. However, if the Browns or any other crappy team offers 10-20-30% more guaranteed money, he might chase the money. Why? How long are you guaranteed to be playing alongside that great defense? Maybe 1 to 2 years before the salary cap tears it apart. Heck, it may not be great even next year (based on Jackson and Ware leaving - if they leave). On top of that, how long is he going to be playing in the NFL? He could be cut in two years from Denver if his play suffers. Guaranteed money is the #1 priority. I'd tell my agent to stuff the incentives up the....chimney. If nobody is giving Manning credit for winning that Super Bowl, then why would they give Osweiler any credit next year? QBs want loads of money and are driven by ego. If I'm him and I want those two things, I go somewhere I get both. If you win in Cleveland, Detroit, & Houston they'll build a monument to you in front of the stadium. If you win another Super Bowl in Denver, you're a footnote.
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heck that D may take some big hits this year, Jackson, Ware, Travathan (sp) all may be gone.
Still a solid unit but those are some big pieces to lose
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Os also needs to work on his pizza box control. He's going to lose a lot of pizza in the coming years if he can't control it. As long as he doesn't go to Nate Burleson's Pizza Handling Camp during the offseason, then he should be fine.
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Os also needs to work on his pizza box control. He's going to lose a lot of pizza in the coming years if he can't control it. As long as he doesn't go to Nate Burleson's Pizza Handling Camp during the offseason, then he should be fine. 
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Houston is apparently in on Brock.
They are also looking at Lamar Miller.
Add another WR to pair with Hopkins and thats a solid offense for a young QB.
And a solid defense to pair with it.
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What about Hoyer? He led them to the playoffs!
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What about Hoyer? He led them to the playoffs! About as much as Brock led Denver to a SuperBowl
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Houston is apparently in on Brock.
They are also looking at Lamar Miller.
Add another WR to pair with Hopkins and thats a solid offense for a young QB.
And a solid defense to pair with it. And here the Browns sit, probably not signing anyone of significance and letting our own players walk. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Denver was awful not that long ago. But they went out and made it happen with big, bold moves. The Browns are so pathetic it's beyond comprehension.
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Denver was awful not that long ago. But they went out and made it happen with big, bold moves. Denver has won less than six games twice since 1999. They also have an infrastructure that players trust. That allows them to sign players at reasonable prices. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/And here the Browns sit, probably not signing anyone of significance and letting our own players walk. "Probably." The only signing we have really heard about are the outrageous ones. Do you really want to sign Malik Jackson for $40 million guaranteed? Also, what does "winning the off-season" accomplish?
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What about Hoyer? He led them to the playoffs! About as much as Brock led Denver to a SuperBowl I love when you guys get smug. Where did the Browns end up again?
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Denver was awful not that long ago. But they went out and made it happen with big, bold moves. Denver has won less than six games twice since 1999. They also have an infrastructure that players trust. That allows them to sign players at reasonable prices. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/And here the Browns sit, probably not signing anyone of significance and letting our own players walk. "Probably." The only signing we have really heard about are the outrageous ones. Do you really want to sign Malik Jackson for $40 million guaranteed? Also, what does "winning the off-season" accomplish? You talk a lot of crap. Wanna bet on who has the better record next year? The guys running the Browns are freaking clueless. But keeping making crap up. It might actually come true if you click your heels together, Dorthy.
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What did I make up?
Where did I say that the Browns were better than the Broncos? I literally said the Browns have no infrastructure and the Broncos do.
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I agree with cfrs15 that signing Malik Jackson to a $90 mil contract would do very little on turning this franchise around.
We need a lot of good signings more than a couple of great ones.
That being said, I have a fear that we are going to lose all our own FA's and sign a couple of Bengals and call it an off-season.
I hope I'm wrong, but time will tell.
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What about Hoyer? He led them to the playoffs! Weeden did almost as much towards leading them to the playoff when crunch time came
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What about Hoyer? He led them to the playoffs! Weeden did almost as much towards leading them to the playoff when crunch time came Yeah, but what about the playoff game? Hoyer single-handedly affected the outcome of the game.
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Houston is apparently in on Brock.
They are also looking at Lamar Miller.
Add another WR to pair with Hopkins and thats a solid offense for a young QB.
And a solid defense to pair with it. And here the Browns sit, probably not signing anyone of significance and letting our own players walk. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Denver was awful not that long ago. But they went out and made it happen with big, bold moves. The Browns are so pathetic it's beyond comprehension. You know these are just rumors right? I doubt they get Os from Denver..
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What about Hoyer? He led them to the playoffs! Weeden did almost as much towards leading them to the playoff when crunch time came Yeah, but what about the playoff game? Hoyer single-handedly affected the outcome of the game. I'd rather see an atrocious playoff loss every year than what we see.
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Kaepernick might work in Kubiak's offense.
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Wow! I can't believe that Denver would want anything to do w/Kap.
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There aren't a lot of other options out there. They have the best one already in Os; there's a great dearth of available quality beyond that, and even his quality is subjective and questionable.
Simply put: Kaep is the next realistic option.
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I just don't see how he would fit in Kubiak's offense.
I still think that Osweiler stays w/them.
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