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That is horrible to see! I had no idea. This is so bad, it has to happen. Hue's huffiest better produce, because this is horrible as it sits.


See ya, JFF. Grow up fast. Just happy to be shut of it all. Get more help.

I don't care how many guys they have to bring into the quarterback room. Let's have 10 of them in there until we find 2 that will succeed.

For those saying Kaep would be good bc we dont have a good oline, and he can run...

See #RGknee

Do people not want Kaepernick at all or not want Kaepernick at the rumored price?

I dont really want him at all...rather have gone after Fitzpatrick...guess the real question is, is he better than both Goff and Wentz?

Texans sign Osweiler for $18m a year. I would assume Kaep want near that amount. I have no problem with Sashi giving 2 or 3 year at $19M or $20M with maybe $20M guaranteed. Add measurable in for this year he can make bonuses.

Browns offering a third round pretty much forces Denver to give up a second to gain one or two spots. To beat $19M, Denver must waive players to free up cap.

Hue likes Kaep. He made Dalton and Campbell competitive QBs. I bet he can make it work with Kaep.

Getting Kaep allows Browns to get Ramsey, Buckner, or Bosa at #2. Grab a mid round QB Jones or Prescott. Most definitely keep McCown. Kaep still can't do it. McCown makes a dang good backup.

Bugs I agree. I think Hue is the wildcard here. He might be the first coach we have had that can make a difference with our qb's whomever we get. I believe our staff is much better and can make a positive difference with our players. But, we need more talent and have the rest of FA and the draft to help. I want to see our Browns win and am trying hard to be optimistic.

Don't want him at all. Don't think he's worth more than a 6th, and that contract is a killer

I think Hue is the one driving the "trade for Kaep" conversation right now.....at least according to rumors. I don't see it on CK, but to be honest McCown worked out a ton better last year than I (and most on here) thought it would.

I don't think this is a FO move (aka Sashi or DePo) but Hue is pushing for this in much the same way he did for Palmer. The only advantage I see in any of this is it lets them draft the BPA (aka Ramsey/Bosa) at 2 instead of reaching for a QB.

If Hue wasn't driving, I'd have serious concerns. Kaep stats are horrible. They worsen since his rookie year. Kaep is scheme specific. Hue must know what works...fingers crossed.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/03/browns_willing_to_give_up_3rd.html

If we give up a third round pick for Kaepernick, then it will be the lowest moment I've had as a Browns fan since we drafted Weeden in the first round.

I'd rather draft 2 QB's than get Kap for free. Kap is going to need a lot of time better spent on training a rookie.

Ugh. Not for a 2nd or a 3rd. The guy was straight up benched for terrible play AND his team is trying to get rid of him.

That pretty much guarantees we get him.

Let's also not forget. Kap lead a team to the super bowl just a few years ago. Something that the 4 free agent that left our team did not do but we are all crying about that.

this is more of a what have you done for me lately kind of league tho...just sayin'

I am not saying I did not want the Browns to keep Mack, Schwartz, Benji, and Gipson but... We won 3 games last year! 3!!! So what are we really losing? I said at the trade deadline last year the team should trade away about 53 players. I meant it! If we keep the same dang players then how will the culture change?

Kap is a QB that has been where we want our team to go some day. He is under 30. There are no great college QB's coming out this year. I think this could be a good move.

How do things change if we lose 4 starters and have to replace them, as well as fill in all the other holes?

We can't keep starting over. Not if we want to win.

You have to keep decent players, and replace worse players with better players. You can't get rid of decent players and expect to replace them while at the same time trying to fill the holes we had.

Kap may or may not be only time will tell. at this point trading all 53 players away...idk about that but I understand where you are coming from. If we do get Kap then I am all in until he no longer wears our jersey. would rather have fitzpatrick, but that won't happen now. this draft should be BPA only. and get a QB if the value is there, to me it won't be there until the second or third round.

Just a year ago.. repeat.. a year ago.. most of this board wanted Schwartz benched.. wanted a new right tackle.. wanted Schwartz traded.. even wanted Irving to replace Schwartz at RT. Most felt that Schwartz was horrible during the season, called him a revolving door, UNTIL a poster mentioned Pro-Football Focus rated Schwartz higher than Thomas. Now many of those same poster are crying that Schwartz left. CAN YOU BLAME HIM ?? He was unappreciated by the fans and the front office. Plus his coaching staff, that managed to get him to perform at a high level without a true offensive line coach, was AXED.

Be careful what you wish for...

As to Kaepernick if he improves the team.. get him.. Is he better than McCown.. I don't think so, but he will be as good for a longer period of time. The age difference comes into play. I like what Kap can bring to the team that we don't have now. So if we can get a veteran QB with Super Bowl experience, who can do positive things that our other QBs can't.. do what you can to get him.

jmho

This is sort of what I'm coming around to thinking. Hue seems to think that he can make something of Kaep. We hired this guy. He was our top choice. If that's what he wants, I'll trust him and keep an open mind.



I would expect us to get Buckner or Bosa with that 2 pick though. Maybe Tunsil if he is still there.

I was also thinking maybe a trade down looking for extra picks and picking up Ezekiel Elliot as our RB. Kaep and Harbaugh were very successful with a solid running attack. I'm not an OSU fan really, but Elliot has always impressed me.

Of course, the last guy to impress me as much as Elliot was Richardson. And that was a terrible call on our organization (and my) part

Colin Kaepernick Rumors: Friday

March 11th, 2016 at 9:29pm CST by Zach Links



When Chip Kelly was in charge of the Eagles, we often heard whispers that the coach coveted Colin Kaepernick and viewed him as the right kind of quarterback to lead his offense. Ever since Kelly has arrived in San Francisco, however, we’ve heard nothing but trade talk. After the first waive of free agency has left the Broncos, Jets, Browns, and other teams with question marks under center, the Kaepernick trade buzz has only gotten louder.

Here is the very latest on No. 7:
•The Browns are willing to part with their third-round pick in 2016 for Kaepernick, but only if he restructures his contract, sources tell Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com. The 49ers want a second-round selection for Kaepernick, writes Cabot, who adds that Cleveland’s third-rounder (the second pick in that round) comes quite close to qualifying as one. The Broncos have the 63rd pick, but they don’t want to deal it for Kaepernick, tweets Albert Breer of NFL.com. Given that the Browns are likely to draft a quarterback in the first two rounds this year – perhaps as high as No. 2 overall – they might be averse to paying Kaepernick more than $7MM-$8MM per year (excluding potential incentives), according to Cabot. Kaepernick’s current average annual value is $19MM. Acquiring him would likely put veteran Josh McCown on Cleveland’s trading block, per Cabot.

http://www.profootballrumors.com/latest-colin-kaepernick-trade-rumors-broncos/

I think if the Browns do get Kapernick, there will be no push to draft a QB at #2, meaning the Browns will be able to trade down and get several more picks and be able to fill more needs, even do BPA.

Schwartz has been vastly underrated for a long time. He is one of the best pass protecting RTs in the game but he isn't going to drive to many people off the line. You look with the guy we just brought in, he is a big mauling in line drive blocker. Hue said he wanted a physical offensive line that can move people and we appear to be heading in that direction.

Now for Kap, I would rather pay Hoyer 10 mil a year than bring in Kap. He was the worst passer of any starting qb in the league. McCown played well last year without a whole hell of a lot of support.

I know without a doubt trading for Kap is a waste of money and resources. it doesn't impact the team positively at all.

So you'd be inclined to keep McCown and draft Goff/Wentz?

Honestly, I'm on the fence with just about everything.

Three years ago I would have traded A LOT to acquire Kaep

Three months ago I would have been pleased to have the chance at Goff.

But as I sit right now, I don't know if I want either.

Kaepernick making progress in recovery from surgeries


February 19, 2016
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Colin Kaepernick is recovering from three surgeries, and his future in San Francisco is in question. But he appears to be on the road to being fully healthy.

CSNBayArea.com reports that Kaepernick is “definitely working hard,” according to a source familiar with his rehab routine in Vail, Colorado.

Kaepernick had surgery to repair a torn labrum in his left shoulder on November 24. He then had two surgeries, one to repair a torn ligament in his right thumb and one arthroscopic procedure on his left knee, on January 6. His arm is no longer in a sling and his thumb is no longer in a cast.

The 49ers have to decide by April 1 whether they view Kaepernick as their starter for this year. If they do, they’ll keep him and guarantee his 2016 salary of $11.9 million. But if new coach Chip Kelly doesn’t think Kaepernick is the man to run his offense, the 49ers may release Kaepernick.

One way or another, Kaepernick is expected to be fully healthy in time for minicamps. For whatever team he plays for when minicamps start.

Browns players confused by what’s happening

Posted by Mike Florio on March 11, 2016, 5:59 PM EST
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Browns fans are confused by what the team is doing, or not doing, in free agency. They’re not alone.

Per a league source, Browns players also don’t know what’s going on in Cleveland.

Yes, they’ve added a couple of mid-level guys. But four key players have walked away this week (center Alex Mack, offensive lineman Mitchell Schwartz, receiver Travis Benjamin, and safety Tashaun Gipson), joining other key players who have left in recent years (defensive lineman Jabaal Sheard, cornerback Buster Skrine, linebacker D’Qwell Jackson, and defensive lineman Ahtyba Rubsin).

The approach as of this year runs opposite to what the players were told, the source said. Now, players are left to wonder whether the Browns will be making a move for quarterback Colin Kaepernick or anyone else. Along with the team’s fans.

That’s not to say they should be overspending for the sake of doing so, but they still need to field a team this year. And ideally the team will at least be mildly competitive. Otherwise, another new regime will eventually be doing something (or nothing) during some March in the future.

Along with everything else this bothers me.

Riiight. Kaep led them there.... it wasn't Alex Smith that got them started, or the fact that he was throwing to Vernon Davis, Mario Manningham, Randy Moss, AND Michael Crabtree with Frank Gore running it and a smothering defense that allowed only 17 pts per game and had more than half of their starters in the Pro Bowl. It was Kaep, all the way.

j/c:

Okay....people are defending the loss of the 4 free agents by saying the Browns are purging the roster and starting over by building through the draft.

How does trading a draft choice away for a 29 year old qb fit w/that philosophy?

Browns will trade a third-round pick if Kaepernick will take a pay cut

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 12, 2016, 6:46 AM EST
Colin Kaepernick, Antwon Blake
AP
The Browns are willing to trade a third-round pick to the 49ers to acquire quarterback Colin Kaepernick — but only if Kaepernick is willing to take a pay cut.

Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that the 49ers want a second-round pick, but might settle for the Browns’ third-round pick, which is the second pick in the round, No. 65 overall. The key, however, is that the Browns would want Kaepernick to agree to a pay cut before the trade is completed.

The Moneyball guys running the Browns’ front office apparently think Kaepernick is only worth $7 million or $8 million a year, and that’s what they’d want Kaepernick to take, with the possibility of more money in the form of performance incentives.

But why should Kaepernick agree to that? On April 1, the 49ers either have to guarantee his $11.9 million base salary or cut him free and let him negotiate with every team and give his services to the highest bidder. Kaepernick also has a $1.125 million roster bonus and $400,000 workout bonus due this year, so if the Browns are asking him to take $7 million, they’re asking him to cut his pay almost in half.

Cabot also suggests that the Browns may draft a quarterback this year and groom him to be their quarterback of the future. Again, why should Kaepernick agree to take a pay cut to go to a team that only wants him as a placeholder while the rookie draft pick develops?

Kaepernick reportedly wants to play for the Browns, so it’s possible he would be willing to restructure his contract to help them out. But it seems unlikely he’d take that steep a pay cut for the privilege of playing in Cleveland.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...take-a-pay-cut/

This is so absurd.......

I'm really not sure I like the idea of Kap at all. On one hand -- we NEED a QB. Josh McCown was decent last year but the guy cannot stay healthy. He is too careless when it comes to injury risk. I love that he plays hard but there just isn't anyway he will survive the length of the season, especially at his age.

If we draft a rookie they probably will need to sit for a while. That is generally the nature of the beast with the NFL today. So we need a QB to come in and play if we want to be competitive.

I just can't come to grips with giving up the 65th overall pick. We have a ton of holes on the team now, especially now that we lost some starters in free agency. The 65th overall pick SHOULD generally turn into a starter. I know this team has blown tons of 3rd round picks in the past but really at that spot in the draft there are lots of quality players available.

On the flip side -- if Kap really shines here (which is possible) in Hue's system we could have a situation where we have two good QBs (if we draft a rookie in the first round) and that would be a very unusual and good position for us to be in for a change.

The one thing for sure, regardless of the qb we end up trading or drafting. I have alot more confidence in Hue to get the best out of them than any coach prior. I mean he made Dalton look good.

I think people are forgetting it was Gruden who "developed" Dalton. Hue replaced Gruden. Dalton played a better, but that is to be expected as a qb matures. The differences were not dramatic.

CK. says he wants to play here which is a plus. A change of scenery and Hue might be just the thing he needs. You get him some players to work with we might finally have something.

if he turns out to be a stud... a 3rd rounder is great considering our success with QB's. However, he's recovering from surgeries and he is making a ton of money and he really hasn't done anything lately.

plus... he has a 59% completion ratio. That is not good in the NFL


IF we kept our OL... Cap would have had a chance to possibly shine.

I personally, never liked him and I always thought he was overrated.

I guess we will see what happens over the next few days.

JC: I've decided I put my faith in Hue. He's had some time to break down a lot of Kaep film. We hired this guy as our Head Coach because he's supposed to know QBs.

If he thinks he can bring back the Kaep of old, I'm in. Especially if Kaep fits what he wants his offense to do.

Kaep played well under Harbaugh. The whole 49ers team played awful last year under whoever their new head coach was. I'd assume we wouldn't trade for him without him passing some sort of physical. At least with a third round pick.


I've never been a big fan of the guy, but maybe a new coach and new scenery is just we he needs. And if Hue thinks this guy is our best option, I'm inclined to let him run with it. The offense/QBs are what he does. If he wants this guy (whether he wants one of the draft picks or not), then I'm inclined to give him a shot.


Even if I'd rather have Hoyer, Fitzpatrick, or McCown as our starter. The decision should be Hue's. Jackson at least should be given a chance

There is plenty of reason to be upset/confused/frustrated/mad/whatever with what has transpired over the past couple of days, however:

Can we please stop using what people say in press conferences as gospel?!

From Brown, Farmer, Pettine, Banner, Holmgren, Heckert, Mangini, Savage, Crennel, Davis, etc.,

What is said in press conferences by these people is worthless information. That's why I think it's so funny when people say " Such n such person need to come out and explain what is going on" or "When is the President going to say something" as if what they say is indicative of what they're actually doing or telling the truth.

Be mad at the FO all you want but don't call out what was said in a press conference as the reason why. It's all lip service and that's what this environment will create in perpetuity.