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Listening to WKYC this morning during the sports report, the reporter (don't remember his name) said the Browns are willing to offer a 3rd round pick for Kap with the condition that his contract needs reworked.

FWIW

Yeah, that's the most recent news floating around.

Hue Jackson says that Colin Kaepernick is the, "one that got away."

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/...e-that-got-away

...2 and a half years ago when he was riding high on Conference Championship appearances.

Now he's damaged goods like RG3.

Exactly. It amazes me that grown adults believe that what players, coaches, owners etc., say to the media is 100% truth.

Listening to or watching press conferences is nearly pointless.

+1, damaged goods...he is a gimmick QB, hate his pushing the ball throwing motion...JMHO, want Wentz a lot more...Go Browns!!! PS I know nothing, if Hue wants him, I'd be all in !!!!

Honestly, after seeing Kap quite twice a year during his time in the NFL, the Browns really would be better served to get a young QB, and develop him and the talent around him. Too often, Kap relies on his athleticism to bail him out because he is extremely slow at reading the defense coverages. He's got other issues, but 49ers fans could tell you much more.

If you really want to know what 49ers fans think of Kap, the potential trade, etc, try 49erswebzone.

hard to believe this is the same fanbase that almost ran Steve Young out of town before winning a SB and he won MVP in 1992 and put up numbers that Kaepercrap couldn't even dream of in a much physical era. Kaepercrap hasn't done s**t since 2012 when he came out of nowhere besides be a constant liability or complete trash. And no 2013 doesn't count, he had the luxry of having an elite defense and OLine to cover his sorry ass. Btw I'm still waiting on a good response from the nut huggers on what he's improved on since becoming starter?

MOVE ON FROM THIS CANCER ALREADY!!!!!

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/182033-kaepernick-thread/page2098/

lol this is what I found on one forum of the 49ners. some were trying to defend but most were echoing this...thanks Schadenfreude

His career stats really differ from your opinion. He is a career 59.9% completion percentage passer for over 10,000 yards with 56 TD to only 26 INT. That is a quality NFL starter like we have not seen here in Cleveland since Bernie.

ummm. not my opinion, got that from the website I provided. that is a niner fan speaking...was just sharing

Stats say. He is wrong!

Benched for Blaine Gabbert.

GMAFB. A 3rd pick should be used to improve the team. That's a valuable commodity, and we're going to flush it away on Kap? Do we feel we owe Karma for screwing Indy on the Richardson deal? I would maybe give a conditional 6th for Kap. I would rather take RG3 off the scrap heap for nothing than trade anything for Kap.

Someone said this trade would be a low point as a fan, and I agree. Plenty of QB I hate that I would rather have.

stats say he is ranked 33rd QB with yards per game...idk bro

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2015/passing.htm

Josh Mckown is ranked 12th QB with 263.6 ypg...

Kaepernick trade all knotted up; here’s why...

BY MATT BARROWS
mbarrows@sacbee.com

SANTA CLARA -- Colin Kaepernick's career currently is at a standstill. Or perhaps a better way to put it is that the quarterback's situation is snarled. After speaking with a number of people involved in the matter, here's an attempt to unravel the knot and explain where things stand.

The Browns. Cleveland is offering the 49ers its third-round pick, which is the second pick in that round, No. 65 overall. If that proposal had been made a week ago, it's entirely possible a Kaepernick-to-Cleveland deal would have been completed then.

After all, Kaepernick likes new Browns head coach Hue Jackson, who is pushing his team to acquire Kaepernick, and would like to play for Jackson.

But somehow the 3-13 Browns managed to get worse since the start of free agency on Wednesday. They lost starting center Alex Mack, right tackle Mitchell Schwartz and receiver Travis Benjamin.

Kaepernick is willing to restructure his contract and take less money to get out of San Francisco. But after getting sacked 80 times in the last one and a half seasons and having three surgeries since December, he's wary of taking a lower-money deal on a bad team that is losing talent and that may also use its first-round pick, No. 2 overall, on a quarterback.


The Broncos. If the Broncos came to Kaepernick with the same deal the Browns offered the quarterback, he’d likely sign it in a second. The Super Bowl champions obviously are a better, more stable team and, given that they are picking last in the draft, there's a lesser chance that Kaepernick would be supplanted in the starting role in coming years by a draft pick the general manager is invested in.

The hitch here is Denver's trade offer, which is believed to be its third-round pick and which is 29 spots lower -- worse -- than what the Browns are offering. It's logical that the 49ers want Denver's second-round pick, which is two spots better than the Browns' third-round pick.


Follow Fitzpatrick. The Broncos reportedly have shown interest in the same free-agent quarterback, Ryan Fitzpatrick, the Jets have had trouble re-signing. Once Fitzpatrick is off the table, Kaepernick's value presumably rises.

That applies to the Broncos as well as the Jets, who have shown some interest in Kaepernick, but not to the degree of Denver and Cleveland. If Fitzpatrick were to go to Denver, New York might enter the Kaepernick conversation more strongly.

Some league observers, however, question whether the Broncos truly are interested in Fitzpatrick. If they are, they ask, why haven't they made him an offer?


Back to the Bay? The 49ers continue to insist they are perfectly willing to hold onto Kaepernick beyond the April 1 date on which they will owe him $11.9 million. After all, they have plenty of salary-cap space as well as a head coach, Chip Kelly, who has said he's eager to start working with Kaepernick this offseason.

The 49ers are right. They don't have to trade Kaepernick. They control his contractual rights.

But they don't have full control. Kaepernick could refuse to report for the offseason program, which begins next month. And though he's been silent since the end of the 2015 season, he could make things uncomfortable for a team during an offeason in which the 49ers are trying to convince skeptical fans that they are getting back on track.

Kelly didn't seem to have any patience in Philadelphia for players who weren't fully committed to what he was doing there. How long would he tolerate a standoff with a starting quarterback candidate who is the most well-paid player on the team?

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article65679317.html#storylink=cpy

I haven't watched Kap much but if he is so bad, why are the Broncos interested in trading for him?

Because they have even less at QB right now than we do.

We are sooooo screwed.

I wouldn't give up a third for him. I'd rather give up a third to convince LeCharles Bently to come out of retirement; we need someone to block on our suddenly porous offensive line.

that was 2.5 years ago...I can only hope he is not so sprung on him still...just interested

I agree.

It's pointless for people to believe Haslam and Sashi when they say they want to build through the draft and improve this team. It's insane for fans to actually believe them when they say they have a good plan.

Btw--------no one has answered this question yet. If the Browns really are purging the roster and want to build through the draft, why would they trade the 65th pick in the draft for a 29 year old qb who has regressed and has attitude problems?

When did Haslam and Sashi say they were purging the roster? Link please.

Remember, it's pointless to believe anything said in a press conference.

I never said they were purging the roster and starting over. That's just an excus....errrrr........reason that has been given by several posters that are defending the loss of the Brown's top 4 free agents.

And if they aren't purging the roster and starting over.......that is more proof of their incompetence regarding all 4 of the guys leaving the team.

Does that help you understand?

I don't believe they are. The possible exception (and this is only a thought, doesn't even rate an "opinion") is that Hue wants to change the Oline scheme to more of a power running game. While he may have wished to retain Mack and Schwartz, perhaps they didn't fit his vision. And while we're on the subject of Hue, does anyone not think that Hue was at least allowed his input on the guys we eventually "lost"?

You are in for a reality check next season. Not that you would ever admit it.

Fixed it for you.

Is that your response to my last post above or simply your take on my supposed lack of vision?

So it's a pretend argument to prove your point...got it.

It's based on your history. Just like Text Gate. You refused to criticize Farmer at all and kept saying you would wait and see if the NFL would weigh in on it. They did. He was guilty. You ignored it.

It's just who you are.

Why do you resort to lies?

This conversation is over.

They are gone because of the players agents.

Lie? You mean purging the roster is a LIE?

You always give up and use personal attacks when you lose a debate.

i like the idea of kap here.

at least he's been to the playoffs/superbowl. he's shown he's capable of that. Maybe Hue can get kap to perform like a pro bowler like Harbaugh did.

SF might have been the only place worse to play in than us last year. Change of scenery, new coach that wants him and new teammates might be just the thing for CK. We can hope. I hate to give up a 3rd for him but if we do maybe we can drop back a few spots from 2 and get the pick back along with some others.

I did try to keep an open mind. As you noted, he was guilty and I accepted that - what more needed to be said? An apology to you? I won't comment on your last line...

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/3/12/1...gnings-and-more

here is a pic of joe haden and colin kaepernick...not sure if anything to it or just them hanging out

8:20 AM: It's been generally said by multiple reports that the Browns would trade their third-round pick (which is the second pick in the round) to the 49ers for QB Colin Kaepernick. Earlier, I said that the Browns and Kaepernick don't yet agree on the compensation necessary to acquire him. According to Pro Football Talk this morning, they floated out the possible restructure Cleveland is proposing:

The Moneyball guys running the Browns’ front office apparently think Kaepernick is only worth $7 million or $8 million a year, and that’s what they’d want Kaepernick to take, with the possibility of more money in the form of performance incentives.

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/3/12/1...gnings-and-more

just thought I would throw this out there...kinda like chumming the water

I believe that we are purging the roster.

The fact that we really didn't even try to re-sign our own free agents (and no one can convince me that not one of those players could not be re-signed) tells me that we aren't trying to bring back our own guys. The "moneyball" and "analytics" ideals say to turn older players into assets. Well, right now, I suspect that we could be sitting on a 3rd round pick with the Mack contract, and at least a 4th on Schwartz. It appears that we will have 4 compensatory picks right now.

We aren't going to risk those picks by signing a lot of expensive free agents. I do suspect that we will try our best to turn older players into draft picks. A guy like Joe Thomas may be given the choice to stay, or not ..... but we're going to go young, younger, youngest. Veterans are going to be on their ways out, via trades, or just being cut. This roster will look completely different come the start of the season. This team will be vastly younger, as veterans will be moved out, so that young players can take their places. A "process" is in place, that is almost certainly a long term rebuild. It started last year. We let veterans go, and did nothing to re-sign guys. This is the list of players we let go last year. (and some I agreed with)

TE Jordan Cameron (Miami Dolphins)
LB Jabaal Sheard (New England Patriots)
DB Buster Skrine (New York Jets)
QB Brian Hoyer (Houston Texans)
WR Miles Austin (Philadelphia Eagles)
DL Ahtyba Rubin (Seattle Seahawks)
Terminated contract
OL Paul McQuistan

Now this year, we let Mack, Schwartz, Benjamin, Gipson, and Bademosi, thus far. (and perhaps, Robertson)

For a team that was already lacking in talent, this is unconscionable. It also shows the mindset of the front office. We let the GM from last year go, but the trend continues, which shows that either the edict to purge the roster came from above Farmer, or is being continued by those in power now.

This team is not a good team, that can lose a few upper level players each year, and have players in the pipeline to replace them. We have trouble filling out the roster with good players as it is right now.

We tried to trade Joe Thomas last year. I suspect that this effort will continue, and that Thomas will be OK with it, because he has to see the direction the team is taking. The roster is being purged. Now, maybe we hang onto a couple of veterans that we owe guaranteed money to ..... but if we can move a guy, I suspect we do.

That photo is over a year old and was taken on January 13th, 2015, long before last season was even played.

I wouldnt say we didnt try to resign them. We tried to extend contracts of some of them before Free agency even began. I believe Mack and Gipson were already determined to leave. That is just the way I am reading it.

For better or for worse they are trading players that mostly don't want to be here anyways for supplemental draft picks. Supplemental draft picks have a low probability of working out, but if you think about our history, it seems that Free agent signings have had a low sucess rate as well.

IF I understand it correctly, they need to draft well and extend contracts of key players, not spend a lot of money in free agency. They did extend the contract of Barnidge, and they tried with Benjamin, Scwartz, and others. If they try to extend contracts, and players balk, that's not the same as not trying.