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I liked Mangini.
Just because I liked someone doesnt mean I agree with everything they did.
Just like if I didnt like them, doesnt mean I hated everything they did.
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Uhmmm..........you still did not answer the question.
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Uhmmm..........you still did not answer the question. I was talking about the 2009 draft. Richardson, Weeden, and Julio were not in the 2009 draft. Hence why I didn't talk about them.
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Stop with your nonsense. Plenty people on this board complain about Weeden, TRich, the results of the 2012 trade, etc. This is synonymous to you whining about not bashing Gilbert enough when there was a full thread devoted to it. For someone who complains about ignorant posts, the one I'm responding to is right at the top of the list.
Simply because you don't like hearing people bash your boy doesn't mean you should fabricate something that isn't there.
Deal with it. Mangini stunk and his draft selections and trades, outside of Mack, were dreadful.
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I understand that. However, you seem very upset about the 2009 draft and this is a draft discussion. So again....
....What are your thoughts on H and H's following moves?
--trading a draft pick to move up and draft TRich in the first round?
--taking Weeden in the first round?
--trading down w/Atl who took J. Jones [a superstar] and picking up Phil Taylor [who did not play in the NFL last year?]
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You keep bashing Mangini.
What are your thoughts on H and H's following moves?
--trading a draft pick to move up and draft TRich in the first round?
--taking Weeden in the first round?
--trading down w/Atl who took J. Jones [a superstar] and picking up Phil Taylor [who did not play in the NFL last year?]
I have a serious question for you? Why do you constantly rag on Mangini and never once mention those moves, which are far, far worse?
Don't bother..............you, and others....are full of crap and your agenda sucks. WHO THE HELL CARES, THEY ALL HAD THEIR SHOT AND THEY ALL BLEW IT AND THEY ARE ALL GONE.
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Jalen Ramsey is a guy that I believe can have a Earl Thomas / Troy P / Ed Reed type of impact on a defense. If we don't want a QB, it's him or Bosa for me. Bosa and Ramsey are cornerstone franchise changers on defense. Once again I'm not saying he can't play CB, I think he can play any spot in the secondary.
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If we don't want a QB, it's him or Bosa for me. Personally, I'd favor pass rush over the secondary. Having said that, I'm not sold on Bosa...maybe in the 6 to 12 range. I'd be seriously tempted to consider Myles Jack in the #2 spot...
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Thanks for getting us back on track.
I read in another post somebody giving an ALTERNATIVE OPTION to QB...I was thinking well me a sold on a QB at least have kept my mind open and why I created this thread. What are our options.
Its easy to say trade back but outside of QB I don't see any ONE player that people with HAVE TO GET! And if its QB somebody pays a lot for...How Stupid are we to not take him???
My other thought on that is - WE WORKED VERY HARD AND EARNED THIS #2 SPOT! Its not #5 or 7...Its the earliest in all our terrible seasons that we are picking since the 2000 draft. We didn't have that Mangini 4 game winning streak at the end! I just don't wish to trade out of it!
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If we don't want a QB, it's him or Bosa for me. Personally, I'd favor pass rush over the secondary. Having said that, I'm not sold on Bosa...maybe in the 6 to 12 range. I'd be seriously tempted to consider Myles Jack in the #2 spot... Seattle showed you can build a team from the secondary as well and work your way to the front 7. I like Jack, but his injury and small size scare me.
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I am thinking the Browns should trade out of the two spot. I think this draft has some good talent, but there are questions about the top guys at impact positions.
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I am thinking the Browns should trade out of the two spot. I think this draft has some good talent, but there are questions about the top guys at impact positions. If we're not going at QB at the #2 spot, I would not object to this move. On the other hand, if Schwartz leaves and the Titans don't select Tunsil with the first pick, you'd have to seriously consider taking him at #2 knowing the Chargers would very likely be very happy to see him still on the board at their pick...
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I am thinking the Browns should trade out of the two spot. I think this draft has some good talent, but there are questions about the top guys at impact positions. It depends on whether the brain trust sees one of the QBs as worthy. If they do, you stay and take him. If not, I'm on board with a trade down. Not sure who I'd target any more. I suppose it depends on who is willing to trade what, and then who would still be available. It's difficult enough for me to keep up with the Browns without trying to figure who might be willing to trade with us.
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I am thinking the Browns should trade out of the two spot. I think this draft has some good talent, but there are questions about the top guys at impact positions. Considering that I agree with you about the talent at the top, who would want to make a trade up to the #2 spot? Since we agree that there isn't a pro bowl type talent player at #2, who would want the pick? I think we're stuck there and will have to look at our board for the best solution at the position.
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Since we agree that there isn't a pro bowl type talent player at #2, who would want the pick?
I think we're stuck there and will have to look at our board for the best solution at the position.
There's ProBowl talent in EVERY draft.... you just have to uncover it and look past the media consensus. It's about finding intelligent, coachable talent at a position of need that fits what you're trying to do schematically.
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Okay, maybe I worded it wrong. lol
I don't believe there are any top shelf, blue chip prospects that one would see as clear cut top 5 talents in this draft. You know, that appear head and shoulders above the rest.
I believe you can look at DL, LB, QB, LT and CB, and what you'll see is that at least the top 2 at all of those positions are very close talent wise. There will be a lot of controversy about which player rates highest at that position. At the very least, I don't believe the difference between #1 and #2 at any of those positions as worthy to pay a trade up price for.
I certainly wasn't saying that there won't be players from this draft which will end up being pro bowl players. I just don't see that special talent that people will be willing to pay a hefty price to move up to #2 for in this draft.
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You could end up doing what Oakland did when Miami wanted Dion Jordan, trading down, but not getting true value, just to acquire more picks.
How far would you move down for an extra 3rd?
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Us not signing anyone today is just a smoke screen for the draft. No one will be able to predict who will take because we need one of everything.
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Us not signing anyone today is just a smoke screen for the draft. No one will be able to predict who will take because we need one of everything. Analytics are already paying off.
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Us not signing anyone today is just a smoke screen for the draft. No one will be able to predict who will take because we need one of everything.
For me need in draft terms is we just don't have anyone who can start for us.
With Gordon returning, our draft need at WR does not exist.
RB we got covered.
QB is a ? on need cause of the ability of McCown to not finish a season.
OL maybe a RT need?
D front 7 we don't have a need.
FS we might have a need.
Now keep in mind this definition of "NEED" doesn't mean we don't pick any of those...this definition defines our NEED to reach for a player instead of go BPA
If BPA is WR I've always said to go for it...I don't wish us to REACH for a WR.
I think QB, RT and FS are as close to a "NEED" as we got.
The rest we are looking to upgrade with BPA!
Maybe our BIGGEST NEED is a FB 
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Okay, maybe I worded it wrong. lol
I don't believe there are any top shelf, blue chip prospects that one would see as clear cut top 5 talents in this draft. You know, that appear head and shoulders above the rest.
I believe you can look at DL, LB, QB, LT and CB, and what you'll see is that at least the top 2 at all of those positions are very close talent wise. There will be a lot of controversy about which player rates highest at that position. At the very least, I don't believe the difference between #1 and #2 at any of those positions as worthy to pay a trade up price for.
I certainly wasn't saying that there won't be players from this draft which will end up being pro bowl players. I just don't see that special talent that people will be willing to pay a hefty price to move up to #2 for in this draft. Seeing a mass players exodus in the making. I think biggest priority from this draft is getting leaders. Vets are looking for the exits or getting a last contract before retirement. People are needed to drive an agenda of improvement.
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The problem I see is you can't improve by creating even more needs.
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Us not signing anyone today is just a smoke screen for the draft. No one will be able to predict who will take because we need one of everything.
For me need in draft terms is we just don't have anyone who can start for us.
With Gordon returning, our draft need at WR does not exist.
RB we got covered.
QB is a ? on need cause of the ability of McCown to not finish a season.
OL maybe a RT need?
D front 7 we don't have a need.
FS we might have a need.
Now keep in mind this definition of "NEED" doesn't mean we don't pick any of those...this definition defines our NEED to reach for a player instead of go BPA
If BPA is WR I've always said to go for it...I don't wish us to REACH for a WR.
I think QB, RT and FS are as close to a "NEED" as we got.
The rest we are looking to upgrade with BPA!
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Unless we begin to see a dramatic change in our approach to building/repairing this team - I no longer see a point to discussing the Draft because it simply won't matter.
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Unless we begin to see a dramatic change in our approach to building/repairing this team - I no longer see a point to discussing the Draft because it simply won't matter.
I don't ever recall seeing you this negative, Purp'. Not saying it's unwarranted 'though...
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The problem I see is you can't improve by creating even more needs. True. Getting players to stay is difficult too. It was one of the primary arguments during the "blow it up or not" debates. Throwing more money at the problem isn't always the answer. I see Miami is making another run at this approach. It is two extremes, but comparing their method against Cleveland could prove interesting. Denver built their team using FA. Obviously they will take a step back this season. They too are a good watch seeing if they bounce back. I said this a few times. Cleveland had/has good players, but who are the corp guys driving this team?
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The problem I see is you can't improve by creating even more needs. I agree. We probably had half a dozen serious needs at the end of last season if we wanted to see any substantial improvement... 2 days into FA and we now have about 10 needs and a lot of the players who could have filled those needs are gone... we are going the wrong way.
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Building and repairing has never been done through FA. The guys who left were leaving not because of the new guys effort...one month. The guys were leaving cause we kept changing HC, direction, organization...
Yes that has to stop. Yeah let do that by firing these guys.
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Unless we begin to see a dramatic change in our approach to building/repairing this team - I no longer see a point to discussing the Draft because it simply won't matter.
I almost didn't even come to this forum because I was thinking the same exact thing.
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Unless we begin to see a dramatic change in our approach to building/repairing this team - I no longer see a point to discussing the Draft because it simply won't matter.
I don't ever recall seeing you this negative, Purp'. Not saying it's unwarranted 'though... I've been growing progressively more pessimistic toward this organization for a few years now, but yeah.... I'm past the tipping point. At this stage, I wouldn't go to a Browns game if you gave me free tickets.
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Unless we begin to see a dramatic change in our approach to building/repairing this team - I no longer see a point to discussing the Draft because it simply won't matter.
I don't ever recall seeing you this negative, Purp'. Not saying it's unwarranted 'though... I've been growing progressively more pessimistic toward this organization for a few years now, but yeah.... I'm past the tipping point. At this stage, I wouldn't go to a Browns game if you gave me free tickets. You may not attend the game, but you'd show up at Columbus' pre game tail gate.
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oh, absolutely!  And then not go into the stadium or watch the game on TV
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Well, #2, as of this moment - I hope they trade and acquire more picks. Taking a Qb seems pointless. I'd love to linger around the first and second rounds and acquire players such as RT, pass rush, even another o-linemen, WR and Jz, it seems endless the needs and holes we have.
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Given what has transpired in free agency there are some options that could be under consideration.
If the Titans were to take someone other than Tunsil or someone traded up to take a quarterback at #1: I could see the Browns trading Joe Thomas and taking Tunsil. Even if they did not trade Thomas they could still take Tunsil.
Then coming back at pick #32 and taking Connor Cook. They have scouted him intensely. If they are comfortable with the questions that surround his leadership qualities I think it could be a possible scenario.
If the Browns trade for Kaepernick (which I am against) the whole draft picture changes.
My opinion is I believe Wentz is worth the second pick and he will prove that he is worth the second pick.
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I'm sitting here atm watching the Ohio State Pro day.. from what I see of Cardale, I would have no problem trading # 2 for a combination of picks in rounds 1/2/3 and picking up Jones in the late second or early 3rd.
He may need some development but we do have McCown and allow Cardale to learn.
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I could be wrong about Cardale but I have serious doubts about him as a quarterback.
You hear the term "when the game slows down" quarterbacks begin to feel they belong.
I doubt that the game will ever slow down for Cardale.
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Then coming back at pick #32 and taking Connor Cook. They have scouted him intensely. If they are comfortable with the questions that surround his leadership qualities I think it could be a possible scenario.
My concern is that at the end of the 1st round sit KC, Arizona and Denver. I can see any of these taking a Qb to be the heir apparent. So we might need to trade back into the 1st to make sure that we got Cook (or Lynch).
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I am wondering if the draft even matters? The people running the Browns appear clueless. You draft good players and they walk after 4 years. You are left w/the stiffs you drafted.
What's the point of even getting our hopes up?
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