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I consider the media to basically be calling me the white version of nigger every single day. Do you have any idea what it is like to be a white guy right now?
Are you not aware I am a racist, sexist, patriarchal xenophobe who has no right to my own country? I'm just an uncaring racist if I don't want my money going to immigrants or minorities. If I don't constantly care about other people's problems and give them money I'm a racist, sexist, xenophobic, fascist. That as a white male I am the oppressor of the world? That I am the greatest evil to have ever existed? That I am devil incarnate?
That if I try to defend myself I am called Hitler? That if I show any semblance of pride for my race I am called a genocidal fascist? That if I show any semblance of pride for my gender I am called a patriarchal sexist pig? That I am forever guilty and forever need to apologize. That I am looked upon with scorn if I want children and a wife at home, because they'd just be little white Hitlers born to a patriarchal family.
I am told I am ignorant and pure evil every day dude. I'm not considered an incompetent violent criminal like black people. I am considered a ruthless maniacal power hungry villain who must be stopped. Who must forever watch his fiery wrath lest he unfairly smote everyone else. Whom simply cower begging not to be destroyed by my evil empire. I must feel persistent guilt and shame or I will kill and enslave everyone on earth. I am satan and I must be stopped.
I'd rather be considered a violent criminal than pure evil incarnate. I'd rather be called nigger than Hitler. Most people recognize your struggle and accept your right to complain. There is no escape for me. I am forever considered the oppressor. I am to blame for all the strife in the world. I am responsible for everyone elses suffering. If I don't solve everyone elses problems I'm a heartless racist. And I'm responsible for everyone elses problems. I can not win unless I give and give and give with no reference for the well being of my own people and my own life. I am here to pay off a debt.
To me it is frustrating that I don't think other people understand that or care about that one single bit. To have the entire worlds problems hoisted upon you. To be held responsible for saving everyone on earth. To be persistently criticized for your slipups in doing so. And people always needing more help, for criticizing your injustices far more than anyone else is criticized. To be forever held responsible of taking care of everyone lest we be called Hitler.
That is the life of a white male Swish. I am considered evil and must forever pay for this.
Got news for you pal, I'm as white as they come and nobody is calling me those things. Maybe, just maybe it's not the color of your skin but the color of your rhetoric.
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This board has rules against swearing.
I appreciate your clear sympathy for my strife and suffering. Your empathetic response to my suffering has really opened my heart with your caring and kindness.
Have a nice day buddy.
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I thought you were posting satirically as Donald Trump.
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and even after all that, you're still not 4 times more likely to get shot by the cops, or 21 times more like to get charged with a crime than your colored counterparts, even if the criminal history is the same. get called hitler? or get harassed/shot by the cops? i'll take living over not living. but, i'm not about to minimize your problems. your perspective is just as viable as mine, after all. so i'll go down the list, see if we can't come to some sort of understanding. first, what is the white version of nigger? Are you not aware I am a racist, sexist, patriarchal xenophobe who has no right to my own country? I'm just an uncaring racist if I don't want my money going to immigrants or minorities. If I don't constantly care about other people's problems and give them money I'm a racist, sexist, xenophobic, fascist. That as a white male I am the oppressor of the world? That I am the greatest evil to have ever existed? That I am devil incarnate?
first off, xenophobe isn't a white thing, it's a country thing. when we talk immigration, it's rarely about skin tone and more about nationality. and yes, there's a huge difference. we can talk about those differences if you want. sexist also isn't an exclusive white thing in this country. so right now, through process of elimination, we come down to racist. a recurring theme, so lets add this: That if I try to defend myself I am called Hitler? That if I show any semblance of pride for my race I am called a genocidal fascist? That if I show any semblance of pride for my gender I am called a patriarchal sexist pig? That I am forever guilty and forever need to apologize. That I am looked upon with scorn if I want children and a wife at home, because they'd just be little white Hitlers born to a patriarchal family. once again, the sexism thing isn't a white thing. it's a gender thing. when you say that you get called hitler when defending yourself...how? and why? in relation to Trump, the guy is talking about tagging muslims and tracking them. who does that remind you of? do you feel like we should tag muslims like that? if so, then guess what? the hitler correlation is warranted. if not, then clearly you aren't part of the problem. having pride for your race? nobody cares. having pride for your race while simultaneously downgrading others? yea, kinda racist. being proud to be white? ok...so? being proud to be white because you feel superior to others? isn't that the text book definition of racism? which one do you fall under? as far as women and children home, once again, that isn't an exclusively white thing. i'm starting to notice you're lacking some insight into what other cultures deal with, because you'll realize that already, the majority of the stuff you are upset about isn't even a white thing. however, not being able to dance is certainly white. lol, just playing, refs please to suspend me again. anyway, lets continue: I am told I am ignorant and pure evil every day dude. I'm not considered an incompetent violent criminal like black people. I am considered a ruthless maniacal power hungry villain who must be stopped. Who must forever watch his fiery wrath lest he unfairly smote everyone else. Whom simply cowers begging not to be destroyed by my evil empire. I must feel persistent guilt and shame or I will kill and enslave everyone on earth. I am satan and I must be stopped.
this is the part where i have to really smack some sense into you (metaphor refs, or arch cause i think you're a ref, please don't suspend me) do you realize that what you're saying is the same thing that EVERYBODY is saying, even white dudes? the 99%? that's all of us bro. the 1% is the ones we are typically talking about, and guess what? almost everyone that's in the 1% are what- rich white guys. have you noticed that when minorities are talking about equality, we're including everybody? including white non-americans, because we want EVERYBODY treated equally. you're talking purely about yourself and your race, even though you're part of the 99%. and that's fine, and even somewhat fair, but remember: you get to start at ground zero as a white person. minorities start 6 feet under and have to work twice as hard just to get to your starting point. keep that in your head as we continue. with regards to destruction of the earth. i dunno what to say about that. however, while whites have built and design a lot of beautiful places, you guys have also jacked up and destroyed a bunch of once-beautiful places. is that a white thing, or a power thing? i'm not in the illuminati, so i dunno.
I'd rather be considered a violent criminal than pure evil incarnate. I'd rather be called nigger than Hitler. Most people recognize your struggle and accept your right to complain. There is no escape for me. I am forever considered the oppressor. I am to blame for all the strife in the world. I am responsible for everyone elses suffering. If I don't solve everyone elses problems I'm a heartless racist. And I'm responsible for everyone elses problems. I can not win unless I give and give and give with no reference for the well being of my own people and my own life. I am here to pay off a debt.
accept my right to complain? have you been to a trump rally? and most? imo, that's a bit of a stretch. as far as being responsible for everything that happens in this world....look at all the world leaders of the world. look at the elites. what do they all look like? you got a few brown and black scattered, but with the elites, it's pretty much white. i typically don't really care, but since you're the one who brought it up, guess what? when whites are constantly going for more power, more money, more control, more influences, then yes, fixing people's problems come with the territory. perfect example. two leaders, both white, decided to gift wrap the jews with a country after the holocaust, with military backing, mostly white soldiers, yes? well guess who's responsible now for the well-being of the country? you decided to take it upon yourself to deal with the problem, so don't start crying when said problem needs to be dealt with. "your own people". this right here is probably the biggest problem of them all. let's make this clear: white people came up with the idea of a melting pot. you guys decided that you're gonna make us all citizens. hispanic, blacks, natives. your own people is ME. it's lurker, it's clem, it's 40 and DC. it's rocket, it's CHS. we're all americans, aren't we? so "your people"? that would make sense if you was talking about your lord of the rings book club beefing with the harry potter losers down the street. hell, that makes sense when you're talking about making sure americans are good over the people here illegally, because they aren't americans. but "your people" as in white? yet if i said that right now about Turks, watch somebody on the board try to call the FBI hotline and brand me as a potential threat. your people are americans. fight for equal rights, as in making sure whites are on equal playing ground with jobs or something. but "your people" means to the rest of the country "gotta make sure whites are on top of these coloreds" you rather be called nigger than hitler? i rather be called hitler. cause i can easily move into a suburb, blend in, not deal with any colored people and not get harassed by the cops on a daily basis. did you see that video where the cop followed the black guy walking down the street, then tried to arrest him for jay walking? man that crap happens once in a blue moon in a white community, MAYBE. you know how many times i've been followed by the cops. do you know that a cop stopped me because somebody thought my daughter wasn't actually my daughter cause we didn't look the same? you ever dealt with that? don't get me started on interracial stuff bro, you aren't ready for these problems. these problems that you say you are responsible for? some of it's unfair, sure. absolutely. but the other "problems" wouldn't be problems if some whites didn't cause it in the first place. get it? thats like saying "i know i spilt this milk, but i shouldn't be responsible for cleaning it up since i technically don't live here anymore". the issue isn't with whites like the people on this board. you're in the same boat as the rest of us. it's the people in power. who profit off of making sure the racial divide is the status quo. and guess who they all look like? so i probably did a horrible job explaining anything, so let me know.
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Wow, you put a lot of work into that and I have to get out of here. I look forward to reading it later.
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i think us liberals being outraged over this isn't so much because we view him as a threat. i think most of us are aware that they guy doesn't really stand a chance in the general election, especially after all this current stuff going on.
i think we're outrage because these kinds of things makes us regress as a country. we want to unify, not divide, and the more trump speaks, the more the divide happens.
i wanted the issues to finally be discussed as a country. the problem is every reward has a consequence. we're discussing it, but we didn't actually realize how many racist bigots are in this country on the low.
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if people give me detailed thoughts and opinions, it's only polite that i respond the same way.
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As a very interested voter, I have to say that I am extremely concerned about the way Trump gets people all riled up. It;s not just anger against the machine, but it seems like there is flat out hatred in that campaign. That worries me a great deal.
I truly fear that I will not be able to vote in the general election, or worse yet, may be forced into voting *choke* *gag* *puke* for Hillary Clinton. I don't truth Trump half as far as I can throw him, and in my present condition, that's not too far. He has given no real specifics about just how he intends to get anything done. I swear that he had to have paid off Mexico's former President, because he got tons of mileage out of that exchange. He never answers a question about his plans and policies.When challenged on building the wall, all he says if "We're going to build it, and Mexico is going to pay for it." It will be interesting to see if that happens, should he win the Presidency.
Moe than his overall lack of direction and specifics, I truly fear Trump because he is nt only tapping into fear and anger, but hatred. That is a dangerous thing for a political figure to do, and it is especially dangerous when that political figure could be President.
I will never forgive the Republican Party if they force me into voting for Hillary Clinton. I said earlier that I will never vote for Trump, and that stand becomes even more firmly entrenched the more I watch him conduct himself in public.
Bleh.
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Usually vote Republican, but they don't do anything right. About 5 years ago I gave up on both parties.
I vote, but I'm really, seriously seriously seriously undecided. I don't like Hilary , but that doesn't mean anything in the primary.
I'm going to vote one of 3 ways, either Republican and vote for Kasich or Trump.
Or I'm going to go Democrat and vote for Bernie.
I dont' think I've ever been this undecided before.
Where has Jessie Ventura gone.
Somebody tell me who to vote for tomorrow?
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jessie ventura?
thats some serious tin foil hat sales from that guy. the world isn't ready for such magnificence.
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I can't tell you who to vote for, but I am voting for Kasich. I think that he is a good man, he has successfully brought Ohio from a massive deficit to a budget surplus.
I will never vote for Trump. I will vote for the only man who can prevent him from winning Ohio.
That's my position. Take it for whatever you feel it's worth.
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My style of writing takes a lot of effort to not swear every other word so I'm gonna need a bit if I try to go that intense again. I watched your videos, it's passion, ya get me  My point is dude, and I've seen it backed up in the responses so far. No one cares about white suffering. I know black people suffer. Everyone knows that. People know immigrants suffer. We get it. People know other countries have it worse than ours. We get it. We honest to god feel bad about it. Like really bad about it. But really no one seems to give one shred of caring about our suffering. No one cares that we are openly viewed as evil. No one cares how much we give to others. We are always expected to give more. Always more. Its extremely exhausting man. extremely exhausting. Until white people get some sympathy and gratitude for what we do. Along with the condemnation for what is wrong. But until we get some basic thank yous. Some basic indication that we are well intentioned and have given so much to the world and to people outside our race, outside our country. Until that is recognized a lot of people are going to stop wanting to help. A lot of people are going to turn to hate. Our grievances have not only not been heard. We are attacked for voicing them. We are attacked for having any self interest at all. My people are not Americans of all creeds and colors. My people are my friends and family. My community. The people who genuinely care about my well being. We are not all in this together because from what I can tell I get nothing and give so much. Because I am not the bottom of the bottom I get squat and I'm told we're all one big happy family. If I don't agree with that, if I don't care about everyone else constantly, if I don't care about inner city Detroit, if I don't send money to everyone else, then I am heartless. I have a heart. I'm just tired of being told to open it to people who never open theirs to mine in the slightest.
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Somebody tell me who to vote for tomorrow? This one is easy. Vote like a Brown, flip a coin.
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I can't tell you who to vote for, but I am voting for Kasich. I think that he is a good man, he has successfully brought Ohio from a massive deficit to a budget surplus.
I will never vote for Trump. I will vote for the only man who can prevent him from winning Ohio.
That's my position. Take it for whatever you feel it's worth. I've been saying this from day 1. Look at some of the major cities like Columbus and Cincinnati. Cleveland needs a LOT of work still though. It's why I get pissed when people say because he's not a talker like Trump that it's why they won't vote for him. If you don't agree with his policies and stances, that's perfectly 100% fine with me.
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Kasich is too rational for the party.
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when you're the majority, nobody cares.
the thing is that you are asking for minorities to somehow be grateful of you while all this stuff is happening.
imagine yourself in my shoes.
imagine being harassed and searched for drugs, stopped because you have a biracial daughter, or being followed in a retail store.
now imagine somebody white telling you to respect the cops.
the first thing in your head is probably gonna be more colorful, swear filled versions of "go to hell", right?
i get you man. i really do. i won't ever understand what it's like to be white, even after being married to a white woman and having bi-racial kids.
but when i have a white person on Right Wing News page tell me that i should be thankful that whites took black from africa and made them slaves, how am i suppose to react to that?
you're asking people to show empathy for the people who cause them pain in suffering in the first place.
^^^ you understand that, right? i'm suppose to somehow understand white suffering, while i live in a country where literally everything is beneficial to whites. i suppose to understand white suffering while i watch white kids get probation for killing 4 people drinking and driving while blacks get years in federal prison for weed.
and yet, even after all of that, all minorities, specifically blacks, is asking for is an equal shot.
that's it. we want to start at ground zero like you do. most of us don't want hand outs, we don't want people to pay our way. we just want an equal chance to succeed, and not be discriminated against based off color, first names, and neighborhoods we come from.
but we can't even get that, bro. we can't even get that.
so when you say nobody cares about your suffering. maybe it's true that we do care, we just are hesitant to to show empathy for a race complaining about suffering while simultaneously causing suffering on us.
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Somebody tell me who to vote for tomorrow? BERNIE! FEEL THE BERN THROW LONG! BERNIE 2016!
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So Anonymous, the hacker group, just declared total war on Trump.
dunno what that means in the grand scheme of things....but ok.
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twitter post are going in on trump.
one pic said "without immigration, Trump would have no wives".
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twitter post are going in on trump.
one pic said "without immigration, Trump would have no wives". See, that is just silly. He has stated he is for LEGAL immigration, as are most people. It's the illegal aspect he has an issue with.
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there's a rumor gaining traction that one of his wives over stayed her visa.
that doesn't mean much to me, but since we have people on this board who are so strict about following the law, isn't that illegal?
if the rumor is true, of course.
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twitter post are going in on trump.
one pic said "without immigration, Trump would have no wives". See, that is just silly. He has stated he is for LEGAL immigration, as are most people. It's the illegal aspect he has an issue with. Weird, isn't it. Facts and all. You know, like, being illegal is fine. Cause, you know, the rules were made by legals, but the illegals shouldn't have to follow the rules, cause that's like, racist and stuff. It's kind of like someone complaining about getting searched for drugs, while at the same time, they brag about using illegal drugs. Just doesn't make sense does it?
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yes, as i wasnt using illegal drugs while being searched for drugs.
in the military, while in uniform.
pointless poster is pointless.
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yes, as i wasnt using illegal drugs while being searched for drugs.
in the military, while in uniform.
pointless poster is pointless. Oh. My bad. So, you HAVEN'T been pulled out of a car and searched for drugs since you got out of the military.
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Many many of the protesters tonight said they support Bernie.
So where the heck is Bernie to tell them they are acting badly?
The Liberal/Progressive/Socialist movement will lead to the destruction of this Nation, of this I have no doubt! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS If Bernie were a real man he would stop any of his supporters and speak out against that kind of behavior. Personally I think anyone that storms the stage at a political event or acts completely out of their mind should be arrested immediately, If you can't control yourself at an event, it shows what you stand for and where your morals are. The more and more I look at it, Kasich is starting to be the better option to vote for in Ohio.
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Bernie won't chastize his protestors because he wants the media coverage.
Otherwise the media ignores him.
It's sad, really.
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when you're the majority, nobody cares.
the thing is that you are asking for minorities to somehow be grateful of you while all this stuff is happening.
imagine yourself in my shoes.
imagine being harassed and searched for drugs, stopped because you have a biracial daughter, or being followed in a retail store.
now imagine somebody white telling you to respect the cops.
the first thing in your head is probably gonna be more colorful, swear filled versions of "go to hell", right?
i get you man. i really do. i won't ever understand what it's like to be white, even after being married to a white woman and having bi-racial kids.
but when i have a white person on Right Wing News page tell me that i should be thankful that whites took black from africa and made them slaves, how am i suppose to react to that?
you're asking people to show empathy for the people who cause them pain in suffering in the first place.
^^^ you understand that, right? i'm suppose to somehow understand white suffering, while i live in a country where literally everything is beneficial to whites. i suppose to understand white suffering while i watch white kids get probation for killing 4 people drinking and driving while blacks get years in federal prison for weed.
and yet, even after all of that, all minorities, specifically blacks, is asking for is an equal shot.
that's it. we want to start at ground zero like you do. most of us don't want hand outs, we don't want people to pay our way. we just want an equal chance to succeed, and not be discriminated against based off color, first names, and neighborhoods we come from.
but we can't even get that, bro. we can't even get that.
so when you say nobody cares about your suffering. maybe it's true that we do care, we just are hesitant to to show empathy for a race complaining about suffering while simultaneously causing suffering on us.
Wow Swish great post you knocked it outta the park. Good for you bro good for you. Let me say this too, you probably know this, thankfully this board isn't representative of the general population although we all have a ways to go I know for me I work it every day. The thing I tell myself and others is this we ALL want the same thing. We want a better life for ourselves and our children, we want economic freedom, peace, happiness, and love in our lives. You find me a person from anywhere in the world any color of the rainbow and that's what they all want. When you take that simple thought into your heart and approach people realizing that they may look different but they just want what I want then anyone can become a part of your family.
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Meh, speak for yourself BTTB, I'm kind of perfect.  But seriously, good stuff Swish and I really liked you videos, very personal and on point if you ask me. You keep this up and I might have to hug 40, MrTed, FBwhateveritis and Eve for making them feel bad too.
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Let me say this too, you probably know this, thankfully this board isn't representative of the general population although we all have a ways to go I know for me I work it every day.
The thing I tell myself and others is this we ALL want the same thing. We want a better life for ourselves and our children, we want economic freedom, peace, happiness, and love in our lives. You find me a person from anywhere in the world any color of the rainbow and that's what they all want. When you take that simple thought into your heart and approach people realizing that they may look different but they just want what I want then anyone can become a part of your family. And to add the final piece of the puzzle and the most important detail you left out - when anyone disagrees with you call them stupid/ignorant/uncaring. You really crack me up - on one end you talk about all this love one another stuff and then as soon as someone has different beliefs than you politically and how to go about fixing problems you go into one of your tirades about how they can't possibly understand and are complete morons. As I've said, you have some great opinions that I really enjoy reading until you go off the deep end. I really do enjoy reading differing opinions - it is how we all learn.
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At the last Republican debate Donald Trump established his authoritarian credentials beyond any doubt when he affirmed his earlier praise of the Chinese government’s brutal crushing of pro-democracy protests in Tiananmen Square in 1989, a crackdown that killed thousands of peaceful protesters. Praising the Chinese Communist Party seems an odd move for Trump, who, despite apparently wishing he could treat his own protesters similarly, generally appeals to a base demographic for whom “communism” and “evil” are synonymous. Unlike Trump’s other favorite despot, however, China’s rulers are not reciprocating the love. In fact, Trump’s brand of demagogic bigotry has so tarnished the brand of American democracy that the government is using his campaign as proof that democracy doesn’t work. In an editorial in the state-owned Global Times today, Trump was described as a “rich,” “big-mouthed narcissist” whose remarks are abusively racist and extremist,” the implication being that any system in which such a man could thrive must be inherently flawed. The editorial was penned in response to the violence at Trump’s Chicago rally on Friday, and used the epidemic of often racist attacks at Trump rallies as evidence that democracy only leads to chaos and anarchy: “Fist fights among voters who have different political orientations is quite common in developing countries during election seasons. Now, a similar show is shockingly staged in the US, which boasts one of the most developed and mature democratic election systems.” The article goes on to paint a stingingly accurate picture of the economic and political conditions that led to Trump’s rise, noting that The Donald emerged as “a perfect populist who could easily provoke the public” after the devastation of the Great Recession. Noting that Trump’s supporters are “mostly lower-class whites” who “lost a lot” during the recession, the article makes an implicit critique of the free market, the volatile fluctuations of which clearly, in the Chinese editors’ minds, give rise to hatred and anger that can be exploited by a democratic demagogue. Indeed the threat from democratic fascists like Trump is grave, no matter how mundane they may initially seem. As the editorial noted, “Trump’s ascent indicates all possibility and unpredictability.” The fact that Hitler and Mussolini, who fed off of a similar mixture of economic malaise, xenophobia, and chauvinism, came to power through peaceful elections is described as “a heavy lesson for Western democracy.” The implicit argument here is of course that democracy is nothing but a stepping stone to fascism and dictatorship, and Trump is providing them with just the evidence they need to prove their propaganda. While the editorial is certainly tinged with propaganda, it’s critique of American democracy is revealing nonetheless. Moreover, the very fact that the brutal Chinese Communist Party is using Trump to argue against democracy – and not entirely unconvincingly – is a scathing indictment of his fascistic tendencies. Trump has reduced American democracy to such a vicious, bigoted self-parody that he is a walking argument against democracy, of whom the totalitarian rulers in Beijing are all too happy to make use. Their argument is essentially that “the people” are too stupid and bigoted to be trusted to make their own decisions, and, know it or not, Trump’s supporters are proving the point of democracy’s enemies. http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/03/15/wont-believe-china-using-trump-state-propaganda/This is good news, don't you all think????
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when you're the majority, nobody cares.
the thing is that you are asking for minorities to somehow be grateful of you while all this stuff is happening.
I don't have the energy right now to keep typing out mega posts. I'll respond quick on this one. "When you're the majority nobody cares". This is my entire point. I am endlessy. endlessly. endlessly. endlessly. endlessly. implored to put my self in another persons shoes. I have done so most of my life. It is hammered into the white culture to do this constantly. But have you ever? EVER? EVER? been asked to put yourself in a white persons shoes? Ever? Is that anywhere in the national thought process? To take one second of your life. And imagine what it is like for us? Does that ever come up? Ever? So equality? Sure. I want equality of empathy. Put yourself in our shoes as often as we are put in others. As often as we are told to care about the many misforunates in the world. Take some time to truly consider what it is like to be white. It's really not great to be considered an oppressor. It's really not great to have to fend of claims of inequality and racism at all times. It's really not great to be considered responsible for causing and resolving every problem on earth. It's really not great to have the expectation that because you have something you must give it to someone else. The amount of expectation for empathetic and caring behavior placed upon white people for people who do not give that back is staggering.
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The amount of expectation for empathetic and caring behavior placed upon white people for people who do not give that back is staggering. You can't give up on people.
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Somebody tell me who to vote for tomorrow? This one is easy. Vote like a Brown, flip a coin. Go with your gut.
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Somebody tell me who to vote for tomorrow? This one is easy. Vote like a Brown, flip a coin. Go with your gut. Rubio will battle.
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You really crack me up - on one end you talk about all this love one another stuff and then as soon as someone has different beliefs than you politically and how to go about fixing problems you go into one of your tirades about how they can't possibly understand and are complete morons. My delivery isn't always the best even I know that but I love ya Bus I do. I haven't lost hope in you YET. But we have had this discussion repeatedly and on some issues I think I have made you face some of your own demons just as I have to face mine. I work to do better every day I know I'm not perfect in my approach because for me I feel I spend a great deal of time waiting for others to catch up. I get frustrated which is actually a piss poor excuse but its the truth as I see it anyway. I know I know there goes the I'm stupid your smart undertone again but doesn't honesty count anymore? I don't think we can progress as a society if we let greed influence right and wrong decisions. I know you don't agree but thats where I stand. I m waiting for you to catch up, and I guess I will have to wait because you have your own ideas about that, I don't agree but hey. We are all ignorant each and every single one of us just by virtue of the fact that as much as we know there is far more we don't that makes us ignorant. So I get that I really do. It's just that some things are so obviously right and some things are so obviously wrong, to ME. To me bed rock is caring about more then just myself and those within arms reach of me. I know when you take the time to know someone almost to the very last person you meet in life they are good and decent but for some reason we can't get past the people outside of our arms reach. When the world around you is crying because they are hurting you can't close and lock the door and pull down the shades and act like its not happening. I will give you a for instances here. I thought that we as a society had long ago put systemic racism behind us, not completely but with the election of a black president we could begin the process of closing that chapter that has been a very painful part of our history. In other words we had made real progress as a country and as a people. We could begin the process of healing old wounds and move on to a better day for all of us. And then Donald Trump happens and you see it here on this board every day. They have actually developed a term for it now they call it dawg whistles, I'm sure you have heard the term. politicians deploy veiled racial appeals to persuade white voters to support policies that favor the extremely rich yet threaten their own interests. I call it and have called it stepping on your own dick. Dog whistle appeals generate middle-class enthusiasm for political candidates who promise to crack down on crime, curb undocumented immigration, and protect the heartland against Islamic infiltration, but ultimately vote to slash taxes for the rich, give corporations regulatory control over industry and banking and aggressively curtail social services. White voters, convinced by powerful interests that minorities are their true enemies, fail to see the connection between the political agendas they support and the surging wealth inequality that takes an increasing toll on their lives. The tactic continues at full force, with the both Democratic and Republican Parties using racial provocations to drum up enthusiasm for weakening unions and public pensions, defunding public schools, and opposing health care reform. All a result of powerful donors who have played us and continue to do so. For me its obvious that the 1st thing we MUST do is set aside any personal gain we might get by voting for these thief's and instead vote for someone who will fix this problem. I'm go to go off point for a moment here I'll come back if I haven't lost you already. I have noticed that people in general are poor at solving problems. I have seen people who do the very same job day in and day out not be able to solve problems that arise. Oh their great as long as everything is going according to plan, but the slightest deviation and their lost. This issue we face with corruption is the single biggest problem we face, but we get so side tract by all the other issues we lose focus. In order to solve a problem if your a good problem solver that is, is you identify the problem and you don't look at anything else until you resolve or know that big issue is behind you. In other words that problem is no long the problem. We keep looking at everything and lose our focus. Look folks it doesn't matter the party, pick one they all take money to the last one, stay focused fix that problem or lose focus and get more of what you been getting. WE ALL AGREE that our politicians are corrupt, some people have said they would like term limits that won't help, not even a little bit. I think if you end corruption these folks will self deport, they don't serve the people anyway so it won't be a huge loss. But that's the problem DON'T loss focus because its the only issue that influences fixing every other issue. In other words, if you don't fix that I can guarantee none of the other issues you want to see worked on will ever see the light of day. A huge part of the budget issues we have are the result of policies that have helped people that don't need help. We all know it yet it continues take the money out and it will be replaced by common sense and what is good for the people and the country, which is where it should be to begin with. The requirement to fix this is to set aside your personnel agenda and vote for the candidate that will end this practice otherwise I warn you, you will get more of the same. For me I know that electing Bernie will likely cost me dollars but if he can end the political corruption I'm all in. He is going to need the help of the American people we are going to have to say it loud and clear that we want this done, the rest of the issues can wait, tackle this one and we are on our way. The only issue is do we have guts enough to take these folks on and end it. This is a single issue election to bad we keep losing our focus. In the end Bus I get testy about these things because it's so damned obvious to me that its the right thing but I need to learn to wait and help others get focused you'll get there and so will I and hopefully all of the rest of you too.
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well, maybe you should.
we can keep it short, but basically, the more you post, the more i'm realizing that you don't think whites should meet half way.
let's be real, not too long ago you was telling blacks on the board to get over it. i remember your post.
so right now, all i'm hearing is a plea from a guy who's getting a taste of his own medicine.
and you seem like you can't handle that.
it doesn't feel good, does it. being blamed for everything. every time something happens, you're the first person/group they point the finger at.
when nothing is going good, you're the problem. when everything is going good, well, you didn't actual contribute anything.
that sucks being told that, doesn't it.
sucks being one of the most hated groups in the world, huh. every where you go, around the world, people think you're a plague.
sucks, huh?
judging by your post, you seem like you're starting to buckle under that weight.
all those things you described? all those feelings like no matter what you do, every hates you for the color of your skin?
that's what we deal with EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. that's how american society makes us feel.
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maybe i spoke to soon. i guess you do actually know what it's like to be black...
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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maybe i spoke to soon. i guess you do actually know what it's like to be black...
Yeah. It isn't a new thing dude. That is my point. I'm attempting to point that out to you that this isn't a new phenomenon. That you are being a jerk. That you never empathize with white people who suffer tremendously while white people are begged and shamed into empathizing with everyone on earth. All while being told we are evil. All while donating tons of money to people who tell us we are evil. Do you realize how many times in my life I am told to feel for the less fortunate? It is in my head every day of my entire life. Every news story, every political debate, is a plea for empathy and help from white people towards someone else. Do Chinese people feel bad about our economic collapse due to outsourcing? No. They don't have to, they were starving, no empathy for you greedy white man. Do Mexican people feel bad about our economic collapse due to immigration? No. They don't have to, they were starving and escaping a hell hole, no empathy for you greedy white man. Do Black people feel bad about Black on White crime, the constant false cries of racism (BLM being based on Mike Brown? Really?). No. They don't have to, they are poorer than you and were slaves, no empathy for you greedy white man. Do Middle Easterners feel bad about increases of Rape and Violence in Europe, the cultural loss of demographic change? No. They don't have to, they were in a war zone and are fleeing to freedom, no empathy for you greedy white man. Even in your post dude. I pour how much energy into this? How much to finally get out the idea that white people need a friggen little bit of love. And you crap all over me man. You stay defensive. You still don't take two seconds and say, you know what dude, you're right on some levels. We all have issues dude. But no one feels one tiny bit sorry for white people. Not even for a second when I practically beg over three posts did you sit down and say, damn dude, that does suck. I'm not saying you can't be upset and I'm not saying your problems are not legitimate. But for one damn moment in this world I want people to consider that white people have problems too. And that white people are taking on a whole lot and asked to stretch their hearts and caring and money and time into a world that doesn't ever do the same for them.
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The only thing I've ever complained about was the "black lives matter." It should have been from day 1: "Minorities lives matter." Black people are not the only minorities subject to discrimination in this country. Yet you never get the chance to hears other stories because the media drowns them out.
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