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From what I read, he can throw hard and far, but he has no idea where it's going.

Pass.

Derek Anderson 2.0. No thanks.

Comparing black QBs to white QBs is against the rules. Try again.

Comparing black QBs to white QBs is against the rules. Try again.

It's not just QBs..

"Is Joey Bosa the next JJ Watt?"

Well he's obviously not the next Willie McGinest, if you know what I mean..

Bosa would be a terrible pick?

Bosa would be a terrible pick?

What rumors?

Teams Have Hard-Party Drug Concerns with Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliott
Updated March 15, 2016
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

Eastern Kentucky edge rusher Noah Spence was a standout pass-rusher at Ohio State before positive tests for the party drug ecstasy led to him being kicked out of the program. At the Senior Bowl, teams interviewed Spence about his issues at Ohio State, and while he wouldn't name names, he said that he wasn't the only Buckeye player who was using ecstasy while partying. In speaking with sources at multiple teams, two of the players that teams suspect for that type of partying are defensive end Joey Bosa and running back Ezekiel Elliott.

To be clear, neither player had a positive drug test for ecstasy or molly (MDMA). However, Bosa was suspended for the opening game of the 2016 NFL season. Ohio State didn't clarify the exact offense for the suspension, but Bosa told teams during the NFL Combine interviews that he was suspended because he refused to take a drug test. That counted as a positive and thus he was automatically slapped with the suspension.

Bosa told teams that he wouldn't take the test because he was going to test positive for adderall. He is said to have ADHD or ADD, so teams wouldn't have held that positive test for adderall against him and they feel he should have just gotten a prescription for the medication. Teams believe that Bosa knew he was going to test positive for worse drugs and that is why he refused to take the test. Bosa wouldn't admit to using ecstasy or molly, but he did admit that he likes to attend raves. He claimed that he likes going to raves for the "music," which teams found to be very questionable. Molly and ecstasy are common drugs used at raves.

At Ohio State, Bosa was a roommate with Ezekiel Elliott. Apparently, their shared place was a party destination, and Bosa told teams that he had to move out and get his own place to get away from all the parties that Elliott had going on. Sources say they suspect that Elliott was also using molly and ecstasy while parting. A number of Elliott's teammates in the Combine interviews told teams that Elliott was a partier, and a unique individual. They said they hung out with him some, but he rubbed some the wrong way. Sources from multiple teams said that Elliott didn't interview well at the Combine, while Bosa had mixed feedback. The skepticism of why he goes to raves and the refusal of the drug test bothered some evaluators.

While I wasn't a Wentz pimp, I would have had no issue with him being drafted. I certainly feel he is the best QB in this draft.

Now? Not so much. You see, I feel you need an environment surrounding a rookie QB that gives him the best chance to succeed. The best possible ingredients for success is a great pass blocking OL and playmakers.

We had a great pass blocking OL and plenty of money to sign a good playmaking WR. We lost two out of five of our OL and signed zero playmakers at the WR position. All we're left with is a prayer with JG and he is not trustworthy and has been out of football for a year.

At this time, I believe the environment created in Berea for a rookie QB would be setting him up to fail. I no longer believe the circumstances are right and lack the faith that circumstances will be made right to bring a rookie QB into the situation this FO has created.

When was the last time we had the option to "red shirt" a QB? You do realize we end up with our second and third QB's playing almost every year.

And I really don't think having a stable OL and a couple of playmakers as asking for a perfect team. All we really had to do was keep a couple of our FA's and sign a guy like Marvin Jones. Maybe add a big body WR on the draft somewhere.

We were close enough that it could have easily been done.

We've had plans to red shirt people before and we saw how that went.

Have you looked at our moves so far? We'll have the same chance next year. And yes, once you're down to your 3rd QB, you're pretty much done. The problem is, if that is your future franchise QB, there's a very real chance you just screwed his future too. Same as it ever was.....

There is simply no way I would bring a rookie QB into the environment this FO has created. You can feel any way you like. I'm fully aware that an environment conducive for success needs to be established for a rookie to come into. We don't have it.

I respect your right to feel differently, but please don't expect me to agree with you.

We'll have a similar pick next year most likely, but who do you see as a sure fire franchise QB?

I like Wentz better than any of them.

I'm not counting the future franchise guy as one of the ones getting hurt. He's sitting regardless. If the other two get hurt, I'm signing a scrub to get broken.

I'm curious what about Wentz makes some so certain he's a sure failure? He's big, strong, has enough of an arm to make every throw, played in a pro-style offense in college, is fast and runs well, seems to be a clean kid with no off field dings.... The only knock i've heard is level of competition. Lots of QB's come from small schools. So what is it that makes everyone sure he's a mistake at #2?

There is simply no way I would bring a rookie QB into the environment this FO has created. You can feel any way you like. I'm fully aware that an environment conducive for success needs to be established for a rookie to come into. We don't have it.

I respect your right to feel differently, but please don't expect me to agree with you.

Everyone? I think most who want us to draft a QB prefer Wentz and I think most want us to draft a QB.

hmmm...would rather not draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd rounds this year...my biggest fear is watching him do his best impression of Jeff Garcia. (hike the ball then run for your life).

Garcia had a horrible, horrible offensive line (Ross Verba, Enoch DeMar, Jeff Faine, Kelvin Garmon, Joaquin Gonzalez, Ryan Tucker, Damion Cook, and Paul Zukauskas were all prominently involved).

We would still have Thomas, Bitonio, and Greco, who are all pretty good in pass protection.