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I'm sure by now you've all heard about the Bombings in Brussels

I'm trying to figure out what the people of Belgium did to whoever committed this act of Terror?

I feel badly for those folks there.

They provided an easy target.

sad news

RIP to everybody who lost there lives.


for whatever reason, i don't know why belgium is the spot for these guys. Belgium has had this radical problem before the refugee crisis happened. what are they doing differently from other european countries that terrorist decided to make this the place to be?

They captured the terrorist who planned and shot up Paris so the word got out to act immediately before he gives up info on the rest of them.
That is one thing I am hearing.

that's probably the most reasonable reason. get the plan going before the snitch gives them up.

Because they are waging jihad against all non-muslims, and Belgium has let so many muslims in that they have very easy targets. The terrorists have been saying this for years, and I don't understand why people still don't listen.

well, they are waging jihad against everybody, as they have killed more muslims than non-muslims.

i think the geographical location of beligum is more important, strategic wise. i just talked to my boy who still in NATO. he was saying it was bound to happen as belgium is pretty much center of europe.

Molenbeek is a poor neighborhood outside of Brussels. It offers little hope or opportunity for many of the folks who live there (both the Belgian born and migrants). Thus, the migrant population become more easily disaffected, vulnerable and not feeling part of, nor fitting in, with European society. They are also more prone to becoming radicalized because of these conditions.

There are many other neighborhoods like it all across western Europe.

And your point is? The radical members of this 'religion' are willing to kill and die to make the world fall under their control. This is a very long war of attrition and conversion.

You do realize this started with the Ottoman wars in 1299, and has continued to this day. The plan is to occupy, convert, and expand.

Yes that, and the fact that many of them left Europe to fight Assad in Syria and are now returning home, well trained I might add.

ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attacks in Brussels.

Well that lets the girl scouts off my list of possible perpetrators.

ISIS wants all the countries who were involved the in the iraq war back into the middle east.

they want a war.

the question is, do we give it to them?

What does that have to do with anything? I think we've had enough threads on this board with dehumanaizing individuals due to their belief system. Not all who follow Islam are radical jihadists.



Come on, Erik. Get that weak stuff outta here.

I see you are thinking with your heart and feelings again instead of your head.

We are at war with more than just Islamic Extremists, we are at war with all those people who live in those neighborhoods that hide and cover for the terrorists, those regular Muslims who aid and abet the terrorists.

You do know the Paris planner and killer was captured living in the same neighborhood he always lived in and only 500 yards from the house he grew up in don't you?

Are you gonna be like our President who can't even bring himself to call them what they are? Islamic Extremists.

I refuse to live in a world ruled by xenophobia.

Well you won't do well walking thru this world with your eyes closed either.

Just so sick of senseless violence rather in the name of religion or just pure evil. Would love to have a way to extract these people from the earths population permanently.

i agree, but unfortunately it's a complex problem.

a problem we as americans have not only started, but can't seem to solve.

ISIS is the consequence of going to iraq. if we would've just kept it in afghanistan, we wouldn't be having these issues like that.

but regardless, pointing fingers does little, so it's a problem, and america needs to own it, and come up with a damn solution.

A lot of it can get traced back to Reagan, and his brilliant idea to fund the Mujahideen. But, let's not talk about that as it's another point that runs completely counter to the ideals of worshiping the altar of Ronnie Reagan.

however indirectly involved he might have bee, that does nothing to solve the problem as of right now.

Reagan, or any president for that matter, couldn't have possibly known what was gonna happen 30 years into the future.

the road to hell is paved with good intentions, pretty much.

what we need is solutions that will work.

and there are solutions. the question becomes if the world is ready to make that happen or not.

Blaming past administrations is walking thru the world with your eyes closed.

Reality- Terrorists have declared Jihad against the West and are killing us. Non Extremists are hiding and covering for them and at the very least, turning a blind eye towards them.

Now, solve that!

My son texted me this morning after he heard about it (he is 13):

My Son: Did you see what happened in Brussels?
Me: Yeah
My Son: I don't get it, why would people do something like that?

How do you explain that to a kid? I don't understand why people do things like this. Children, even at 13, are typically so innocent. My son sees the good in everything because he as been exposed to so little evil. That isn't saying he is not aware it exists, he just doesn't understand it.

We were walking through the Holocaust exhibit at the USAF Museum in Dayton sometime last year - it was really the first time he was exposed to the reality of how evil it was - and he just started crying and couldn't stop.

I'm not sure what I'm getting at here, just that evil is typically not born but taught. There are instances where people are born truly evil I believe, but those are few and far between.

Take him thru the Holocaust Museum here in DC sometime, even I, yes, even I, become emotional and must look away.

The giant room of the thousands and thousands of shoes! WOW!

It is good when our eyes are opened to evil, it must be recognized whenever it raises its head.

My thoughts and prayers go out to those injured and to the families and loved ones of those injured and killed in these attacks.

I wonder if those who want us to import people from certain parts of the world, without any vetting, are reconsidering yet? (such as our President)

I also have to wonder if this doesn't help Trump. The PC, "Don't say anything about anyone, even if you think there might be something wrong with what they're doing ..... don't discriminate ..... be PC ...." is obviously not working ..... yet we are still told that it is wrong to pick out those most likely to carry out these kinds of attacks. Pull the 80 year old grandmother in the airport line for closer examination, while allowing the 25 year old man of Middle Eastern descent, with one glove on one hand, right through the airport without any kind of closer examination. The current President wants to bring in people from Syria without any kind of real vetting ..... and who is to say whether or not they might carry out such attacks if we refuse to vet them?

We do not want to tun the US into a police state, but we really have to wake up and realize that right now, in this particular moment in history, there is one group of people who are interested in killing people, and doing away with our way of life.

Please refer to Clem's many post on the vetting process in our country. It's quite a good process.

i have a theory, or observation if you will about that columbus. hope i explain this well enough that you can follow along. and please, im not race baiting, but it's easier for you to understand the connection when you make the examples here at home.

so ok. we live in America, right? no matter the racial crap that goes on here, for the most part, everybody here in america has assimilated and integrated into basic american society, norm, and culture.

white, black, latino, whatever.

so it takes the average time for a immigrant family to move here and assimilate/integrate into a country about the 3rd generation, if they came here with kids.

the people that moved here, hey look, even though the country is new and exciting, they still have the traditions of the old ways. their kids are more easily adaptable, and then THEIR kids are just full blown americans, probably doesn't even speak the families home language.

I'm telling you Bro, for arab muslims, that just doesn't happen on the normal in europe.

and this was going on way before anything with the syrian refugee's. Certain countries in europe are more welcoming, and that's why they typically don't have a problem with their muslim population.

But france and belgium? there's a REASON why french people have the reputation of being one of the most rudest populations on the planet.

that's not an excuse, that's just their culture. they don't like anybody. you could be a black,white, latino man from Germany. it doesn't matter, you're german, they don't like you.

and ofcourse belgium is a french speaking country. they have the same culture, traditions and such for the most part.

anyway, what's happening in these two countries that when people move to these countries, they are quickly put in arab communities, isolated from the rest of the population.

so the integration that you see in America? that's not happening in those countries bro.

in a sense, even though they left the middle east, they didn't REALLY leave the middle east. you get what i mean? they were already isolated from the world in the middle east, moved to europe...only to still get isolated from the world.

that right there is a cess pool for hatred.

the comparative example? the inner city here in America. Columbus, think about it. right there in your own city, how much of that is the city officials are just making sure the problems in the inner city don't spill out to the rest of the community.

nobody is actually trying to fix the problem, it's more like quarantine. the few that manage to make it out, ok. but that's where all the crime and craziness happens.

so the housing projects in the inner city right here in america. those people are hopeless, they are scared, they have hate because they feel like nobody gives a damn about them, right?

welcome to france and belgium.

and as i said before, this was a problem long before the syrian refugee nonsense, because typically the people committing these terrorist acts are what? that's right, citizens. those are people that were born and raised there. hell, their parents were born and raised there.

that's why i want to remind the board that the whole xenophobia thing is...well, stopping migration isn't a solution.

because 99.9% of the migrants aren't doing anything. it's the people that were ALREADY there from the jump that are the problem. and you can't kick out your own citizens.

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NOT AN EXCUSE!!! NOT AN EXCUSE!!!!! DISCLAIMER!!!!! I DO NOT CONDONE TERRORIST ATTACKS

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because i know one of you was gonna say some crap like that.

that was just some background into some of the detailed problems going on, cause i know some of you have never been to europe, and need some examples here at home to understand the stuff going on.

when you understand the root problem, you can start coming up with root solutions. not solutions to the symptoms.

I almost started drawing the parallel, but then you said

Soooo true.

Still got your fingers in your ears going, "lalalalalala" huh?

The radical islamists move into an area and subjugate the muslims that would not have radicalized. The 'non' radical muslims are either complicit or afraid. Think of the beginnings of Nazi Germany when the Nazis took power and silenced everyone. These bombs were made from acetone and hydrogen peroxide. Do you really think one person, or a small group of people, bought all the raw materials for these bombs, or did they have help from the communities they live in. The Paris terrorist they caught 4 days ago was living in the same community he had always lived in, without anyone reporting him. They are killing people because they are not muslim and are not subjugating themselves to the muslims. This was going on before Reagan, before Carter, and before America was founded.

Now back to your 'lalalalalalalala'.

i'm glad you posted this, rocky

everybody sees where belgium is on the map?

now look at the surrounding countries, where there are high populations of arab muslims.

centralized in Western Europe.

also, funny how all the terrorism comes from belgium terrorist?

who happen to be citizens there?

which also is the headquarters of NATO?

/tinfoil hat.

I am in agreement with Rocket and Swish. I too will not fall foul to xenophobia.

As a nation we are quick to talk tough against any perceived foreign threat yet, we do not stand up to our own domestic threats. Terrorism is terrorism and the regular occurrence of mass shootings in this country equate to terrorism.

No, the vast majority of these events in the US are not due to a distorted take on a particular faith, however, if one cannot go into a theatre, school, church, mall etc. without the perceived worry of a potential shooting that is the very definition of terrorism. Instead we pander to it or worse, accept it by saying "they are mentally ill" or we politicize it by shouting the 2nd Amendment or Conservative vs Liberal arguments. Maybe, if as a nation we begin to view these American acts of mass violence as terrorism then we may actually move one step towards stopping them from happening.

And, lets look at it brutally honestly…the average US citizen is far more likely to be shot by another American than they are a "jihadist".

All of that said….today is a very sad day for Europeans. Lets also not forget the nearly 300 who were killed in Turkey and the couple dozen in the Ivory Coast only a week or two ago (which seemed to be forgotten by the mass media).

The worse thing that can happen is to buy into fear and xenophobia, which is being peddled by Trump and many of the for-profit mass media sources. Also, remember and take heart the British who refused to give in to daily bombing raids during the Blitz. They lasted several months and killed nearly 30,000 Britons. PM Churchill told his people not to let the enemy see fear. To continue with their lives. Go to work, go to school, go to the market, go to the pub, go to church…be British and don't give in. I have heard similar statements coming out of Belgium and France.

And, as our own President Roosevelt said…"the only thing we have to fear is fear itself".

If I'm not mistaken, the European Union is headquartered in Belgium as well.

you are correct.

I am not interested in xenophobia either, after all, the American people put the Xeno in Xenophobia since we are all from somewhere else.

However, we all know better than to go pet the bears because they look lonely. Common Sense must prevail in our dealings with foreigners.

I totally agree - that is kind of where I was hoping it would go. My son has never had to deal with any of that, nor will he likely ever have to. This has been discussed ad-nausium on the board that communities, families, government, etc need to work together to give hope. The solution to this is difficult and multi-faceted (at least I believe this) and I personally have no idea where to start since I have never had to deal with it. It is hard to have legitimate empathy when you've never been in that position.

They are interviewing an Israeli Airport Security Official and he just said the trouble with Western airport security is Europe and America are still focused on Luggage instead of Intent!

He said by passing people thru many security checkpoints, it increases the stress levels of terrorists and we Israeli's can spot them almost 100%, rarely ever checking luggage!

Interesting.

that's awesome. since they have so many ways to find terrorist, maybe they can volunteer to stop receiving the $3 billion a year + weapons and equipment they get from us a year.

The Israelis profile. It works rather well for them.