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And that's the problem as I see it. European nations seem to be the ones under the main attack. Yet so many of the talking heads act like it's our job and duty to lead yet another costly war to save their butts.

It's time Muslim nations, European nations and everyone in fear of radical Islam pay their fare share in the costs of war. Otherwise, let's protect ourselves and wait it out.

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Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
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With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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Liberty Island brought immigrants who wanted nothing more than to assimilate and prosper within American culture.

The situation we have now is some of the same sprinkled with terrorists and people who want to come to this country to enforce their beliefs upon Americans. Quite a different scenario. This calls for a bit more prudence.

Brussels is a perfect example of terrorist infiltration within the immigrant population. The department of Justice reiterated that today.

And, yes, I have been to the island and proudly stood in the shadows of The Statue of Liberty where my Great Grandparents once proudly stood!

The problem is, the war they want is not the war WE want. I think 99% of the American people would be fine with a war on ISIS if they all got in one place and fought like a nation.... (of course that war would take about 20 minutes)... but they won't.

It's a hard question and I don't have a good answer... for me to support that way, it would have to be a TRUE global coalition. I'm not talking 90% United States and a smattering of other countries, I'm talking damn near EVERYBODY going in... it would take a commitment from our ally Arab Nations to support the effort with troops, money, and places for military bases. I hate to quote Bush but literally if you weren't for us, we would have to consider you against us. It would have to be sold to the people for what it is.. it's not a race in, knock over a statue, then party with the locals who love us kind of thing.. it would be long, it would be ugly, a lot of soldiers lives would be lost as would a lot of innocent lives on both sides.. because they are more than willing to hide out in residential areas and they would continue to attack civilian targets around the world. The big question with a war like this, how do you know when it's over? There is no centralized group that can surrender on everybody's behalf..


Absolutely nothing. And we've all read the stories about many of the terrorists who weren't all that committed to this as a religious cause any way..

1. No, we give them the war we want.
2. What's to stop them from lying about anything else. Maybe it would be more prudent not to let any of them in.

to you and DC:

we gave them the war WE wanted from 2002-2012.

look how that turned out.

1. I'm not really sure, you'd know more about dealing with Jihadists than I do. I'd be interested to see what we could coordinate with Russia for the region.

2. On the religion thing. Simply put: Use racial profiling and ban anyone who's ethnicity is primarily religiously Muslim/Islamic. Or just accept zero immigrants..I still don't believe immigration to be necessary regardless of country of origin.

Uh, that was Iraq we fought. They were defeated. Crushed actually. Mission Accomplished

You know, Eve... that's actually what happened in Libya...

...and Obama was pilloried for being "weak," "feckless," "leading from behind."

All I'm saying is this: while I think it's the right way to proceed. whomever the sitting POTUS is when such an initiative is enacted, will get lit up by his/her political opponents. For some, the only option they can even consider is multiple thousands of American troops on foreign soil, doing what we've always done.

If your 'solution' becomes reality, I hope you'll be willing to see the POTUS as wise and pragmatic, instead of scared and clueless.

I'm gonna start dipping my bullets in Pork.

that's a joke, right?

Incorrect. The military has been restrained by 'political correctness' since Viet Nam. They need a simple mission of 'destroy the enemy'. Other than that, the politicians should stay out of it.

False. we bombed indiscriminately during initial invasions of iraq. we leveled places and made and pancaked entire urban communities.

which then leads to the question that everybody keeps dodging:

1. do we give ISIS the war they want?
2. whats to stop Muslims from lying about their religion to enter the country?
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Now that question is to the point .. My personal take is yes .. Being retired Military I hate the thought ..

The idea that you can pussy foot around and wait for Arab Country's to get it together is comical ( If it weren't so serious ).. Asks the age old question ; do they hate us ( non Muslims ) more , or each other ??

The idea that we can;t eliminate , or it would 250000 American troops to take out 30 to 40,000 fighters is also ludicrous .. I was one of the few who thought Bush 2 had lost his mind going into Iraq in the first place .. The cancer that is Islam , or Radical Islam if you will is in the Blood stream of the World .. there is no containing it ..

People act like this is some kind of phenomenon .. A honest and frank discussion about Different cultures co-existing together is in order .. The ability of different Cultures to assimilate into an existing one should be addressed .. Look no further than Europe if you want to see this situation play out ; this powder cake blow up ..

This is a discussion that could on for hours and days without a except able out come ..

the problem is that if you wish to discuss if different cultures can coexist, you're also talking about the potential of removing american citizens who aren't the majority, for coexisting reasons.

also, this isn't storming the beaches of normandy. the enemy doesn't wear a uniform.

we'd have to kill women and children, and men who aren't involved with ISIS just to wipe out...ISIS.

if you're fine with that....that makes us no better than the enemy we are fighting against.

So if the enemy is willing to kill civilians and/or hide among the civilian population and when they do, we back off, what is your solution to wipe out ISIS?

An Israeli soldier friend of mine who fought the PLO in Lebanon told me the PLO would march a line of women and children in front of them as they attacked Israeli positions. He would have his men fire just over their heads while flanking them to the left and right in order to kill the PLO.

God forbid, he said, if they accidentally hit one of the women because that is what would be all over the News, worldwide.

I've already gave you my solution a bunch of times.

We either need to empower their economy, which requires full occupation.

Or we need to vacate the area and let the Middle East deal with it and play containment.

We have invaded. We have bombed. Our country is in massive debt because of it.

France bombed them. Russia bombed them. NATO bombed them.

And the Paris and Brussels attacks still happened.

We've done the war our way. Which is funny because you guys don't realize that the war WE want is the war ISIS wants.

If we aren't willing to solve root problems, then no matter what we do, the problem is only gonna get worse.

I feel like I have a good idea on how to solve the problem at its core.

But I've said it before in past threads and people laughed at it.

Well our country is doing it your way. The world is doing it your way.

And it's only gotten worse.

and bro, that last little bit wasn't aimed at you, but man...people keep wanting to combat symptoms as if they are solutions to the overall problem.

sure, you need tylenol to combat symptoms, but you also need antibiotics to get rid of the virus.

except we keep popping pain pills, which does nothing but mask and ignore the problem.

Pussyfoot around with these folks all you want but Iran was given Billions of Dollars and still they attack us!

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Exclusive: U.S. to charge Iran in cyber attacks against banks, New York dam

The Obama administration is expected to blame Iranian hackers as soon as Thursday for a coordinated campaign of cyber attacks in 2012 and 2013 on several U.S. banks and a New York dam, sources familiar with the matter have told Reuters.

The Justice Department has prepared an indictment against about a half-dozen Iranians, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter. It is one of the highest-profile U.S. indictments against a foreign nation on hacking charges.

The indictment was expected to directly link the hacking campaign to the Iranian government, one source said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-cyber-idUSKCN0WP2NM
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Press conference at 10:30 am today.

this is what i'm talking about.

Saudi Arabia also funds terrorist, yet you never say jack crap about them. we give them billions.

you pick and choose which middle eastern country you wanna be outraged over.

and then, China also cyber attacks, yet we still trade with them, they get billions from us.

The problem remains the same, we can not prove it is those GOVERNMENTS that are behind the hacking.

We caught the Iranian GOVERNMENT red handed!

Please, no more tears for terrorists!

by that logic, i guess casey anthony didn't kill her kid, either.

they got caught, and they got charged and will be convicted.

do you want to bomb them too?

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nobody wants to actually discuss solutions. y'all just wanna be blood thirsty, war monger, and talk about kicking everybody out of the country.

have at it.

everybody wants to talk tough on fighting terror, but i don't see any of you guys lined up at the recruitment station.

No problem bud, I get you're not aiming that at me.

Now I love the idea of just pulling out and letting them deal with their own issues. To be honest I don't love or hate these people, I'm just tired of seeing innocent people slaughtered in such a cowardly fashion.

We need to contain this carnage to their countries and that takes us into the problem of immigration. As more and more try to leave the area for their own security, and who can blame them for wanting out, combatants can mix in and you risk more opportunities to get a France or Brussels.

Aside from our current political climate and the R's saying seal our border and the D's saying open it up, this doesn't address Europe as this is on their door step. Europe's borders are a bit porous. I heard yesterday on ABC news the reporter saying the border between Belgium and France was just open and they just drove across and he posed the question of how do we stop the bombers from getting away if they can just drive away.

Since we can't control what other countries do for their own security and if we just pull out to leave the middle east to fight their own battles aren't we also leaving Europe too to deal with the majority of immigration? I think most caring people don't want to be a xenophobic nation but telling everyone else, "Your on your own, good luck", is definitely leaning in that direction.

How does us just pulling out answer this very real issue?

How Europe can defeat ISIS...

Europe needs joint terrorism task force: fmr Navy intel officer

European intelligence and law enforcement agencies are too fragmented to thwart terrorist threats, former U.S. Navy intelligence officer Malcolm Nance said Thursday.

Nance, who now heads the think tank Terrorism Asymmetrics Project, said Europe needs a coordinated task force capable of taking a more intelligence-directed approach to defeating terrorist networks, particularly ISIS, which claimed responsibility for deadly bombings in Brussels this week.

"You have 28 nations, but you have about 500 small police forces, no national integrated terrorism task force like we have here in the United States. So the EU is going to have to take a holistic approach to that," he told CNBC's "Squawk Box."

Creating a task force would allow countries to send personnel from one country to another in times of need, Nance said.

One option is for NATO to take the lead in crating a more coordinated approach, Nance said.

"It's the only umbrella organization that has the capacity to flow intelligence and manpower like that," he said. "It can be resourced up."

Following terror attacks, Belgian and French military personnel are on the streets to the point where the countries are essentially "occupying themselves," he said.

"If they don't do something at the intelligence level and the law enforcement level they're going to have soldiers remaining on the street," he said.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/24/europe-needs-joint-terrorism-task-force-fmr-navy-intel-officer.html

well, as they say, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

the liberals saying open up our borders are...ignorant. same thing with regards to conservatives saying seal it off.

there are solutions, but if we want the issue truly fixed, then we are gonna have to do things that most americans won't agree with.

i gave the "pull out" solution because...well, we've had enough war.

however, because of war, ISIS is a direct consequence of going into iraq. and now the syrian people are paying for that. they got isis and assad to deal with. it's just an ugly situation there.

i think all of our fathers on this board has told us something along the lines of "if you make a mess, clean it up".

i personally think it's either all in or pull out. there's no middle with this situation, unfortunately.

but with going all in, the way we fix the problem, a lot of people(named guys who think like 40) aren't going to like the way the problem gets fixed.

bombing has clearly shown it doesn't work. i mean, this is blatantly obvious at this point. ISIS wants us having collateral damage, because thats more people going to their cause.

people in the west need to understand that we do not think like those middle easterns do.

what am i saying?

Tulsa, me and you don't think of solutions like a guy who just saw his family killed from drone strikes or suicide bombers does.

because we don't live in an active war zone. right now, there is an entire generation of people in the middle east who were born and raised in an active combat zone.

basically, good luck telling them that we are the good guys. they just saw their sister and mother killed in a drone strike that was "suppose" to be aimed at the insurgents.

so, more bombings is suppose to work? nah.

the only solution that actually solves the problem is a full out effort from europe and America to fix the economical structure of the area.

people like to listen to DC more than they do to me on this board, which is fine. But he is right; religion actually has very little to do with whats going on.

these people have no jobs. no consistent running water. crap housing. ruled by dictators, who by the way commit genocide on a regular basis. they live in constant war.

and then on top of it all, it's hot as balls in the middle east. no, that isn't a climate change shot, that's just about the climate they live in, period.

Tulsa, you live in oklahoma. i was stationed there too. i dunno if you have the same experience, but when i was there, every time it reached 98 degrees and up, people's tolerance level of..well, anything kinda went out the window.

what i'm saying is that we don't see this level of disfunction in middle eastern countries with money

look at Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Turkey.

now look at Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen.

look at how much we put a premium on our economic welfare here in America.

yet somehow, the conservatives, meaning guys who think like 40, somehow think that economics doesn't matter in a place like that?

remember last year when some democrats had mentioned that, and republicans trashed them over that idea?

well, when you actually look at the situation from an objective point of view...it makes a ton of sense, doesn't it?

there's studies that show that the better the economy is, the less violence the community is prone to.

and that's pretty much a universal concept.

I'm not saying that's going to destroy ISIS single handily. what i am saying is that changing the economic culture of the region is going to absolutely hurt ISIS recruitment numbers, and more.

because the majority of people around the world will pick jobs and taking care of their families legally over joining gangs.

you see it in the inner city all the time. when people actually find jobs that pay for their families well being, they want nothing to do with the gang life.

but when there's no hope in sight, when people are scared, they are ATTRACTED to it.

think about it.

I thought this was an interesting read.

Link

• Ali Khedery is chairman and chief executive of Dragoman Partners, a strategic consultancy. He served as special assistant to five American ambassadors in Iraq and as senior adviser to three heads of US Central Command from 2003-10. He was the longest continuously serving American official in Iraq.

How ISIS came to be

Three years ago, the Islamic State (Isis) did not exist; now it controls vast swaths of Syria and Iraq. Showing off its handiwork daily via Twitter and YouTube, Isis has repeatedly demonstrated that it is much more than a transnational terrorist organisation – rather, it is an entity with sophisticated command, control, propaganda and logistical capabilities, and one that has proven its ability to take and hold strategically critical territory at the heart of the Middle East.


But as world leaders grapple with how to respond to this unprecedented crisis, they must first understand how Isis came to exist.


Principally, Isis is the product of a genocide that continued unabated as the world stood back and watched. It is the illegitimate child born of pure hate and pure fear – the result of 200,000 murdered Syrians and of millions more displaced and divorced from their hopes and dreams. Isis's rise is also a reminder of how Bashar al-Assad's Machiavellian embrace of al-Qaida would come back to haunt him.


Facing Assad's army and intelligence services, Lebanon's Hezbollah, Iraq's Shia Islamist militias and their grand patron, Iran's Revolutionary Guards, Syria's initially peaceful protesters quickly became disenchanted, disillusioned and disenfranchised – and then radicalised and violently militant.


The Shia Islamist axis used chemical weapons, artillery and barrel bombs to preserve its crescent of influence. Syria's Sunni Arab revolutionaries in turn sought international assistance, and when the world refused, they embraced a pact with the devil, al-Qaida.


With its fiercely loyal army of transnational jihadis, al-Qaida once again gained a foothold in the heart of the Middle East. Fuelled by the hate and fear engendered by images of dismembered children or women suffering from the effects of chemical weapons, disaffected youth from around the world rushed to Syria, fuelling an ever more violent race to the bottom.


Next door in Iraq, an emboldened Nouri al-Maliki waged his own sectarian campaign to consolidate power, betraying promises to his political partners to share it around. Within days of being welcomed at the White House and praised by Barack Obama for his leadership, Maliki returned to Baghdad to mastermind the arrest of his principal Sunni rival, vice-president Tariq al-Hashimi.


Supported by Iran and armed with US-made Humvees, M-16s, and M1A1 tanks, Maliki's forces closed in on Hashimi, only to see him flee to Kurdistan. Dozens of his guards were imprisoned on terrorism charges. At least one of them died under interrogation.


Another Christmas purge followed a year later, when a second prominent Sunni rival, the finance minister Rafea al-Essawi, found his home surrounded by Maliki's US-made tanks. He fled to the sanctuary of his tribe in Iraq's Anbar province, and was eliminated from Iraqi politics.


Facing mass unrest, Iraq's Sunni Arab provincial councils voted for semi-autonomous rule like that of the neighbouring Kurdistan region. Maliki blocked the implementation of a referendum through bureaucratic ploys, in contravention of Iraq's constitution.


Demonstrations of civil disobedience erupted across the Sunni provinces, as millions of Iraqis once again saw that they had no stake in Iraq's success – only its failure. Claiming intelligence that al-Qaida had penetrated the protest camps, Maliki crushed them with lethal force. Several dozen were killed during an Iraqi military raid in Hawija in April 2013, further inflaming what were already spiking sectarian tensions.


Despite pleas from the highest levels in Washington, Maliki's government did virtually nothing to halt the Iranian Revolutionary Guards' flights to resupply the Assad regime with thousands of tons of military hardware and ammunition. Meanwhile, a Shia Islamist ally of Maliki privately conceded to me last year that senior officials in the Iraqi government were turning a blind eye – or even actively supporting – the dispatch of thousands of Iraqi Shia fighters to participate in the spiralling Shia-Sunni holy war in Syria.


These militias – the Badr Corps, Asaib Ahl al-Haq, the Promised Day Brigades, among others – were warmly embraced by Maliki. Indeed, Badr's commander is none other than Iraq's incumbent transport minister, Hadi al-Ameri.


Ironically, al-Qaida's wholesale introduction into Iraq came at the hands of Assad's regime. From 2005 until the end of the American occupation of Iraq, Assad's military intelligence services and their Iranian backers sought to defeat the US forces by training, financing and arming al-Qaida operatives inside Syria and dispatching them across the border to foment chaos and destruction.


General David Petraeus and other senior American officials warned Assad that he was igniting a fire that would eventually burn his house down, but Damascus did nothing to stop the flow of fighters, culminating in a crippling blow to Maliki's government the day Iraq's foreign and finance ministries were bombed. Maliki publicly condemned his future ally in Damascus for the attack.


And so, Syria's unravelling spilled into Iraq, and vice versa. Powerful regional tribes such as the Shammar and Anezah, faced with countless dead and persecuted members in both countries, banded together with former Iraqi and Syrian military officers, embracing Isis jihadis as their frontline shock troops. Cash poured in from sympathetic donors around the region.


Iraq's four Sunni Arab provinces fell within days, entire Iraqi army divisions evaporated, and hundreds of millions of dollars worth of advanced American military equipment was seized by Isis and its allies. Fuelled by what was increasingly a regional Sunni-Shia proxy war, Iraq and Syria had become incubators for transnational jihad and religious hate.


As world leaders now consider a military campaign to confront Isis, they should remember the lessons of America's costly and largely fruitless engagements in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam. They should understand that no amount of foreign military power can ever make up for the misrule of corrupt, failed governments like those in Damascus, Baghdad, Kabul or Saigon. Unless they want a regional holy war, leaders should especially discount the advice of some who are now calling for an alliance with Assad's genocidal regime – perhaps the single greatest root cause of Isis's rise.


Instead, they should embrace the lessons of Iraq's Sunni tribal awakening, that only Syrian and Iraqi Sunnis can defeat radical militant Sunni entities like Isis. Likewise, they should understand that only the mullahs in Tehran can help quell radical militant Shia entities like Lebanon's Hezbollah, Assad's intelligence operatives or Iraq's militias.

Thing is...we do not understand nor respect their culture. The Middle East is also very tribal. There are many different beliefs under the name "Islam" and many tribes that subscribe to vastly differing beliefs and theories. The very understanding of martyrdom is completely abstract to Western culture. We fear death...they embrace it. We fight from the sky and with technology like a video game while they fight with their hands. Because of this, how do you defeat them?

Even those who hate the Taliban and ISIS are not sure how to trust the US. Given our record in that region...who blames them?

Until we begin to educate ourselves about the region, its history, religion and its people and, more importantly, begin to respect them we will never succeed in the current approach or mission.

I also think it is worth reminding folks who maybe don't realize...but, the biggest worry with Europe is not Middle eastern immigrants. It is actually the radicalized homegrown, European born "jihadist".

Remember, most of Europe needed rebuilding after WW2 and much of Africa and the Middle East was colonized by European nations. They promised citizenship in return for helping to rebuild the cities. However, many of the areas that are predominately Muslim are poor and people have become disenfranchised, disillusioned and very vulnerable. Especially, young men.

To be honest, we have similar issues in our country. Perhaps not "jihadists" but, disillusioned folks with little opportunity who turn to violence is a very familiar story in the USA.

muslims and other immigrants integrate into our society waaaaaayyy better than in europe. it isn't even close.

it's why we don't have the problems europe does. the problem is people here in america don't understand that point because they cant see it, or refuse to see it.

There's a very long history of brutal, merciless desert bandits.

Who "...laid traps for troubadours who get killed before they reached Bombay"

I don't see any of you bleeding hearts signing up for the Diplomatic Corps and heading over to the Middle East to help them.

Talk and Tears are cheap, put your money where your mouth is already!

Did I say it right, Swish?

i done my part

4 times.

whats your count, since you're all for bombing them?

also, i've swapped my major to international relations. i want to do civil service and work overseas, maybe even the middle east for a few years.

i always put my money where my mouth is.

no double standards my way, homey.

4 times.
I paid your wages and paid for your training and equipment.

I do like the education part of your post though, good luck.

Bachmann: God Sent ISIS Brussels Attacks to “Humiliate” Obama

http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/03/24/bachmann-god-sent-isis-brussels-attacks-humiliate-obama-2/

In times of senseless violence and unbearable pain, many look to their faith for explanation, reassurance, and redemption. Yesterday’s bombings in Brussels, Belgium, were a manifestation of frustration, pain, and hate in the form of a vortex of blood and steel. It was an abhorrent act of destruction in a city of legendary beauty; targeting the innocent and the vulnerable, a sin of the worst kind.

But equally abhorrent are those who would dare insult the lives lost by twisting their deaths and the pain of their families into a platform to propagate the same kind of religious fanaticism and hatred that inspired the bombings in the first place.

Unfortunately, in America there are no shortage of vicious contenders willing to pick up that mantle. Former Representative and unrepentant religious extremist Michelle Bachmann (R-MN) took to her column at the “WorldNetDaily” to blame the Brussels bombings on President Obama as penance for his “abandonment” of Israel and his successful re-establishment of diplomatic relations with the Republic of Cuba.




Or maybe our president’s humiliation comes in a manner so devastating it makes one wonder whether the Creator of humankind isn’t reminding this world of the inferiority of foolishness in the face of wisdom.

The president once again mocked his nemesis, the Jewish people and the nation of Israel, by cleverly turning the international press corps toward his brilliant work in Cuba, instead of covering ongoing Islamic attacks against the Jewish state as outlined that very same day at the annual pro-Israel AIPAC meeting in Washington, D.C.

History changed less than 24 hours later in the blink of an eye, and the rug was pulled out from under his well-laid plans.

Obama’s slavish press corps was forced to turn their uncritical gaze from adoring him to revealing the newest carnage in Brussels.

Our eyes were spellbound.

The only refutable point here is that President Obama has certainly not “abandoned” the nation of Israel. He just offered them an aid package of $30 billion over the next ten years. Under the government of Benyamin Netanyahu, Israel has begun taking the US-Israeli relationship for granted – and the President has not been afraid to call them out for purposefully aggravating the tense situation between Israel and the Palestinian enclaves of Gaza and the West Bank. That’s just basic international relations. Not turning a blind eye to the crimes of Netanyahu certainly does not constitute “abandonment.”

The rest of her ramblings are nothing but delusional paranoia mixed with evangelical prophecies from Revelations that doesn’t deserve to be addressed by a civilized and secular nation. But it is truly despicable that this foul woman would dare to desecrate the graves of those lost in Belgium before they’ve even been buried. She has turned their deaths into an polito-apocalyptic condemnation that would resonate with the murderous fanatics of Daesh (ISIS/ISIL), and she is guilty of the same appalling extremism that they are.

i paid my own salary too, as taxes came out of my paycheck.

Who is this directed at, 40?

soldiers and the unemployed should not be taxed IMO.

Huh? You can have it if you want it but I don't know what you are talking bout. Who is what directed at?

Isn't what we did with Iraq though? We removed Saddam and his army, then we set up the infrastructure and economy for them to succeed ... and instead there was a power vacuum that was filled by terrorists. We stayed as long as we could until we got tired of losing our guys to terrorist attacks. What exactly do you mean empower their economy? We gave them billions and they're sitting on vast resources of oil already.

And we've tried vacating the area too. That resulted in the Taliban rising to power along with Al Qaeda, until they had enough resources to come over and attack us here.