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Yes, I thought I recognized it as something wonderful that Lincoln had said.
Then I realized, it was me!

Apparently you can even play it now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B-iAl3cQoY

I'm in Utah for some skiing - picked up a 6 pack of this at the local grocery, lol

Indeed it is, Tulsa.

IMO both party's must have been throwing a lot of it because that's all I see left on stage is feces.

To be fair, this was posted by Trump AFTER our conversation yesterday.

It can only serve to help Cruz. Completely unnecessary IMO.

when has something like EVER hurt trump?

he's gonna gain more supporters, because you rabid ass trump supporters don't think like rational people.

a rational person goes "wow, this is deplorable. shame on you trump!"

a trump supporter goes "yay!!! Cruz's wife is an ugly hag anyway, we want a hot FLOTUS!!!"

Trump was responding to an attack by Cruz.

Same with the dick thing a few weeks ago, it was a response to Rubio.

For some reason everyone likes to ignore the initial provocations.

As a side note. Rafael Edward "Ted" Cruz's wife works for Goldman Sachs and helped draft "Building a North American Community" - the merge America/Mexico/Canada nonsense for the Council on Foreign Relations. Not to be trusted. Rafael Cruz goes by a fake name to appear whiter, was born in Canada, and has a globalist banker wife..Why conservatives support him is beyond me. He's as slimy and fake as it gets.

14 year old mid-pubescent 'put-down' tactic.

It only works on other middle schoolers.


pathetic.

And this... "person" is the GOP's front-runner?

THIS is a perfect example of how twitter bypasses every adult filter we've ever developed as a civilized society.

What's this assclown gonna do as POTUS when he's po'ed at Putin? Photoshop him riding on a pink My Little Pony?

America has exactly 5 months to wake up and get its [crap] in a pile....

"He did it first!!!"


Like I said.... middle school.


The whole pack of GOP hopefuls allowed the conversation to be dictated by the lowest common denominator. This speaks poorly about them all.

Excuse him if you want. I won't. He's a child bully in a 70 year old man's body. Unfit to lead.

Well let's hope if he wins that nobody ever provokes him. Just imagine what his tweets to Putin would look like.

The howls of the supporters of Hillary, the most corrupt and evil of all the Candidates and her rapist side kick tends to fall on deaf ears as they attack others.

Trump posting the picture was wrong and it will only serve to help Cruz. It has not been proven that Cruz was aware of the PAC that posted the pic of Trumps wife.

If only Bernie would call off his Socialist Henchmen and Disruptors we might actually be able to hear what Trump has to say.

My first reaction was to say, "Americans deserve better all around... but then, I'm reminded that "we elect the government we deserve"

I just wish we could all come to the conclusion they all suck and hit the reset button on this election.

Who HASN'T heard what Trump has to say?

Dude's sucked all the oxygen out of the race for 5 solid months-

And now for something not completely different.

A tweet from a Trump supporter.

Donald Trumpovitz
@WhiteGenocideTM
@realDonaldTrump If you were a booger I'd pick you first #MakeAmericaGreatAgain


What a freak show twitter is...

In fairness to GOP voters ......

Trump has been winning with less than 50% of the vote, and he has also received very strong Democrat voter crossover. (who voted for him in the primary, and who say they will vote for him in the general)

Anyway ..... Ugh.

The mere thought of Trump as the President makes me ill.

how much of that cross over votes is offset by the republican's who refuse to vote for him period?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/images-worth-thousand-words-trump-063350172.html

guys, just go straight to the comment section. hilarious.

Source: Department of State. Numbers as of Monday. Party change data includes changes in 2016.


Don't have a link but feel free to verify.

Voters Changing Political Parties:

In PA. Democrats turned Republican in 4 PA counties

Crawford: 584
Erie: 1,678
Mercer: 570
Venango: 284

Total in PA: 62,828

In PA. Republicans turned Democrat in 4 PA counties

Crawford: 179
Erie: 770
Mercer: 153
Venango: 109

Total in PA: 29,098

Of course, you know here in PA we cling to our guns and religion! :-)

This is the year of the Independent Voter!!!

The thought of Trump, Clinton, Sanders, all make me violently ill. Cruz is only barely tolerable, as I don't like many of the things he has done in his campaign ......

Kasich is about the only 1 I could enthusiastically vote for.



As a side note, I heard something the other day as I was flipping through the channels .....

A fairly sizable majority of those 18-29 like and embrace Socialism as a political system.

However, they also balk, quite vehemently, at the idea of companies like Amazon, YouTube, Apple, and others being owned and controlled by the government.

Well, at least they're consistent.

you do understand that there are examples of that working perfectly fine, yes?

OK, give me your examples.

A reason why I would like Cruz over Trump as President is that
Trump would probably negotiate and meet the Libby Hoard half way
While Cruz will just Burn Ye!

Germany, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland.

their political system are socialist, or how 40 likes to call it, welfare states.

but their economies are either mixed economies or social market economies.

this is what a social market economy is:

The social market economy (German: Soziale Marktwirtschaft) is a social and economic system combining free market capitalism which supports private enterprise, alongside social policies which establish both fair competition within the market and a welfare state.[1][2] It is sometimes classified as a coordinated market economy.[3] The social market economy was originally promoted and implemented in West Germany by the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) under Chancellor Konrad Adenauer in 1949.[4] Its origins can be traced to the interwar Freiburg school of economic thought.[5]

and YTown, this information has been posted on the board a thousand times.

you ignoring the information doesn't make it any less true. from here on out, every time you make a comment about it, i'll pretty much chalk it up to you willingly spreading misinformation.

Give me the Welfare State! Working Sucks!!!

Germany is a largely capitalistic economy. Unless I am very misinformed, they have very little government intervention/ownership of industry.

Germany has a population size approximately 1/4 that of the US. They also have almost no defense spending. Germany's GDP is 3.9 trillion. By comparison, the US GDP is $17.4 trillion. (2015 estimate)

The US has a federal budget that is approximately 20% of GDP. Germany has a federal budget that is roughly 40%+ of their GDP. They also spend very, very little on defense. They are now considering additional defense spending, but they will likely never approach what we spend.

To take the German system and bring it to the US, while maintaining our current defense spending, we would have a federal budget of somewhere between $8-9 trillion. Even if we just used the same percentages Germany uses, that would be 40%+, which would be a $7 trillion federal budget. I think that we can all agree that this would not be possible in the US. Our economy would collapse if we pulled an additional 27% or so of GDP out of circulation.


It will be interesting to see how Germany handles social spending going forward, if they do, indeed, ramp up defense spending. (as seems likely)

Anyway, that is one economy,

Switzerland ..... what is their economy? Well, there is more manufacturing than most would think. They have tons of private industries. However, they have relatively little union representation there. Only 25% of workers are unionized. The Swiss people want to do a good job, and they recently rejected, overwhelmingly, (65-35%, IIRC) an initiative to increase the minimum wage. In what way do you feel they qualify as a Socialist economy? They are protectionist in some areas. Switzerland has a minimal military budget, so that is not a consideration for their budget, overall. The Swiss federal income tax rate tops out at 11.5%, according to Wikipedia.

Further, the Swiss population is only 8 million. This is hardly a good comparison for the US.

Norway's population is only 5 million. Sweden has a population of 8 million. Denmark checks in at 5 million as well. None of these are appropriate comparisons for the US. Not one of them have nationalized their manufacturing, as a Socialist country/economy would.

Denmark's Prime Minister recently told Bernie Sanders to stop using them as an example of a great Socialist success, because they are not a Socialist country.
Denmark Tells Bernie Sanders It’s Had Enough Of His ‘Socialist’ Slurs | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD
http://www.investors.com/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/


Anyway, can you tell me how these countries are Socialist? How are their economies anything even approaching a Socialist model?


Also, if you look at Switzerland, there was a time where they had horrible tax burdens, and they tried to do everything for everyone. They couldn't do it. Their level of personal wealth fell dramatically, their economy suffered, and they made "right wing" reforms that turned their economy back around. Denmark, IIRC, has a tax system that takes something like 2/3 of a person's income. They provide education, but "free"? I don't think so.

More information:

Sweden’s Reputation As A Welfare State Is In Trouble | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD
http://www.investors.com/swedish-model-brings-economic-growth/?ntt=sweden%20socialist

Danes Rethink a Welfare State Ample to a Fault - The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/world/...fault.html?_r=1

Bernie, the college aged crowd, groundhogs and Old Cold One
want this for Murica.

your failed argument saddens me. as you can't even answer your own question.

you ask me to provide examples on how the two exist.

i showed you those examples.

your flaw is that you think the economy and the way the government is ran is one in the same.

it isn't.

just like our economic system and government system isn't the same thing in America.

are you saying that we have an capitalist government?


also, you're pointing out articles on how those economic styles are failing.

ok, fair enough. yet you forget that we're how much in debt again?

and those countries i provided, from your own links, export more than import.

we do not. we import more than we export.

they are perfect examples. but since it goes against what your thinking was, you can't except it.

The High Brow folks have lead America into Political Correctness, Safe Speech Zones, and the overall mess we are in today.

A little Low Brow is exactly the medicine we need.

Murica

Socialism would be great, and I would be 100% for it ...... if only every single able bodied person would fully participate, giving their full effort in whatever station in life they exist in.

Instead we have out of work people who say that such and such job just isn't good enough for them. They say that they will never do particular jobs. Kids today go to college, and get useless degrees that handicap them financially for life, instead of learning a trade.

We need all types of people working all kinds of jobs. Some of those trades can earn a person 6 figures per year. My uncle was a foreman electrician, and he had to take off the last 2-3 months of the year back in the days of truly oppressive tax rates. Other trades can make similar money. Plumbers charge $50/hour or more. Same for independent electricians. Welders make great money, as do machinists.

The only way Socialism works is if everyone is willing to work, and to do their part .... and if you have great leadership. Unfortunately, people look at Socialism as free stuff, and all too often Socialism winds up looking like Cuba, the Soviet Union, East Germany, or North Korea. I wonder how many people from this country would trade places with those people? I remember seeing the long lines of people, waiting for toilet paper handouts in the Soviet Union. Yea! Great fun there!

We need to be really careful about what we hope for, because we might just get it .... and then our troubles really begin.

capitalism is failing right here in America. man what are you talking about?

I showed why your examples fail the test. The closest would be Denmark, and they are trying, desperately, to change direction now, because when you give people free stuff, whether they contribute or not, you find more people choosing the "not" option.

they didn't fail the test, you posted articles of people speculating.

and Germany didn't fail the test either, you simply stated an opinion as if it will come true.

try again.

Absolutely, and then no one is empowered and able to rise above. Everybody completely dependent upon the goons in the government.....just what they want to empower themselves and their special interest groups. By the people..........

you know that sounds like the US, right?

you're slamming other countries for whatever reason, and yet completely forgot or ignored the fact that somehow our better economic system has helped get us in 19 trillion dollar worth of debt, allowed corporations to the screw the population over and send jobs overseas.

and that's ok to you guys? pathetic.