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*Note to myself* Never stand in front of Spergon FTWynn at 2:00 am in a bar.

To be fair, most of the QB's we've had here weren't alive to begin with.

If I'm in a bar at 2 am, I'm probably not standing...

To the people who still admire him for his run attack, do you think he even has the same kind of speed, or maybe even any type of speed like he had before, after the numerous surgeries? I'm not sure when the last recent time we saw him scramble to see if there was any burst or speed still there.

I don't know, but I'm betting he's faster than any other QB on the roster right now.

RGIII running around would be a huge mistake.

Didn't former Browns QB Jeff Garcia replace Steve Young after he died in SF?

Well, supposedly, Hue and Pep ran some drills with him over the weekend. I'm thinking they don't see his speed as a problem.

Knowing his (severe) injury history, I believe our coaching staff (and the fans) would shudder at this prospect...

In one of the posted articles, I guess his workout here didn't even involve running or cutting outside of "rollout passes", so maybe even the staff questions his scrambling abilities.

I agree, we shouldn't be relying on that aspect, but when that's all you have to really hang on because that's really all he's done successfully, you gotta think and discuss it.

I read somewhere that Hue ran a lot of run/pass option plays in 2014 but not so much in 2015 when Tyler Eifert got hurt.

It would make sense that he was looking Kap and RG3 if that is going to be part of his playbook.

The picture from the second link you posted is what scares me.



How can you not find a guy when all of your options are open?

He's got a bit of run first, think later in him that Hue needs to beat out of him.

There's no question RG3 has a lot of natural talent and will probably WANT to redeem himself

However, he also will need A LOT of coaching and work

Sheesh...

That's like watching Trent Richardson run opposite of a gaping hole.

The fans and media run the show in Cleveland, and both are dumb as dirt. It's one of the reasons the Browns have been bad for so long. Hell, we had a billionaire owner take a meeting with a guy who wears a dog mask to games. It's also a reason why we've churned through so many coaches and front offices. People want to turn the other way and pretend this doesn't exist.

As for RG3, what upside are you talking about?

The team could not have made a more dumb move than this. For a team like the Browns who are trying to scratch and dig and claw their way out of the abyss, this is an absolutely foolish ill-conceived move. This team needs to start making methodical, steady moves and commit to those. Signing somebody else's trash, who sucks by the way, is the last thing this team needs. This is the Browns, not the Patriots. But hey, him and Hue had a great conversation so all's good.

The only thing that can save this dumb team from another dumb move is if he gets cut before the season.

I understand and agree with what you are saying in general, Rish. I see this signing as deviating from the "path" you described. While saying that, I really am on the fence with RGIII. I hope it works out, but we'll just have to wait and see...

I don't think speed is the question. That should be fine. His ability to cut is the question. Hopefully, our medical staff thinks the knee looks good.

Thomas Davis had 3 ACL tears and is still playing at a high level. Benjamin didn't seem to lose any of his speed. RG3 is a couple years removed from his lower body injuries, I hope he is back to rookie year form.

It's hard to make out the down and distance from that blurry picture. What's the situation? It looks like the D is in prevent. Does he not see the receivers open or is he trying to buy time to let them get past the sticks? I'm not saying he's great at making reads, but a blurry still doesn't tell me much.

That was in the Bill Barnwell article I posted.



From that same article, Russell Wilson:

So you would agree that things need to change?



http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrifRo01/gamelog/2012/



Paying a player no money to see if he can return to elite status is not dumb. It is smart.

From the article...

I agree on that part. I don't fault the FO for taking little risk on a player with some upside.

What baffles me is all the talk about dumping McCown and RG3 starting week 1.

RG3 has a ton of stuff to fix in his game. His footwork sucks, his mechanics suck, and he can't make NFL reads. The QB whisperer might be able to fix all of this, but I'm not so sure he's gonna fix it all before the season starts. The "throw him in and let him figure it out as he goes" plan is a favorite here, but doomed to failure.

McCown isn't expensive and there is no need to dump him. I am sure that he can start week 1. I'm not sure RG3 can.

Now if we could get a decent pick for Josh like a 2nd round or 3rd round pick, I understand. Picks are more important than players his age. I just don't see a team offering us that.

I understand that winning next season is low on the list of things to do, but moving Josh for no reason creates a risk of throwing that rookie QB in too early if RG3 turns out to be what every other team in the NFL thinks he is. I want to break this repeating circle of failure, not repeat it.

I think it is very interesting that RGIII has basically been assigned to working out with Tom House.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...private-workout

RGIII should have a jumpstart on the offense.

I wouldn't love getting rid of McCown, but at the same time I would understand it. We are rebuilding and he's closer to 40 than 30. The mentor role is overblown. That's what the coach is for. There are so few snaps to go around, using a bunch on a guy nearing the end of the line doesn't make a lot of sense.

Screw mentoring. I want him because I know he can play. I don't know that RG3 can.

Right now RG3 isn't a risk only because we have Josh. Get rid of Josh and RG3 becomes a big risk because we don't have anyone to fall back on if he fails.

Tom House has a heck of a resume and is the perfect guy for the job. If we draft a QB as well, I think Tom is going to be the busiest guy in Berea.

Dumb question alert: is Tom House on our staff?

If not, then I understand where him working with RG3 is significant. We're giving him the opportunity to come in ahead and be a leader in terms of knowing and installing the offense. That would sound like we're counting on him to start. If that is, in fact, the case, I think it's really impressive that we signed him to the contract we did.

For or against the signing or not, he's here and with that said - reading that is a positive. He should get a nice start on the things he'll be asked to try to correct as well as the "look and feel" for Hue and his scheme.

No. That's why he can work out with Griffin. But the above article says that House knows Jackson's offense.

Good God, if that doesn't have disaster written all over it....

...it's like a rewrite of the decision to draft Manziel.

Except Haslam is taking the advice of Jackson instead of a homeless man. And Griffin's "issues" don't even begin to approach Manziel's issues.

Lol I asked my boss what he thought RGIII does "well", this was all he could muster up.

He's got to rocket, quick release arm

Daring and tough approach of taking hits and delivering throws with pressure breathing down his neck

Scrambling

... and after 20 mins, it ended there.

I don't know DLB, I mean if they question certain abilities, why sign him?

We are going to find out a lot in the coming weeks.. When do they show up for the first camp, April 4th?

Tom House is an ex Major League pitcher that runs his own clinic for pitchers and QB's.

He is very high tech and uses 3D imaging sensors and cameras like they use for Madden to study a QB's mechanics.

This is exactly what RG3 needs.

Wouldn't McKown, Davis and/or Shaw also benefit from learning Jackson's O with this dude?

Report: Broncos were concerned about Robert Griffin’s character

Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2016, 8:40 AM EDT

The Browns landed quarterback Robert Griffin III in part because no one else wanted him. Specifically, because the Broncos didn’t want him.

Griffin definitely was interested in the Broncos; he grew up a fan of the team. The problem for Griffin is that the coach and G.M. of the Broncos have ties that are too close to Griffin’s first coach in the NFL.

As explained by Mike Klis of 9News.com, the Broncos considered Griffin but ultimately opted not to pursue him.

“[A]fter making a few phone calls, Elway was concerned about Griffin’s character,” Klis writes. “Elway never did express interest in the former Washington quarterback who was the NFL’s Rookie of the Year in 2012 but had several fallouts with Coach Mike Shanahan, offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and teammates.”

While Klis never makes the express connection between Elway, Broncos coach Gary Kubiak, and Mike Shanahan, that link doesn’t need to made for a Denver audience. Broncos fans know that Elway was the quarterback, Kubiak was the coordinator, and Shanahan was the coach for the team’s back-to-back championships in 1997 and 1998.

Clearly, Elway and Kubiak spoke to Shanahan. Even more clearly, Shanahan had things to say about Griffin that kept the Broncos from even doing an independent tire kicking by bringing Griffin in for a visit.

Whether they made the right call will depend in large part on how Griffin performs for Cleveland — and how whoever becomes the quarterback in Denver performs in 2016.

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Apparently I was a little too slow posting this.

Brownoholic beat me to it.

lol come on bro, have at least a LIL bit of hope

jc

Like this signing. Easily the most talented QB since rebirth. Kind of a "tallest midget" compliment, but he's way better than who left, that's called an upgrade.