DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns Sign Robert Griffin III

Jk,

I think at the price, this is a smart move. Didn't break the bank or pay excessively for an overrated player at the tail of his career. Could pay out dividends if RG III learned from his experience in Washington. Gives us a guy to push the rookie we sign. I'd almost bet we trade back and snag a physical freak like Lynch in the late 1st.

My point is, that in my opinion, this is just another miscue in the lengthy history of bad decisions that the franchise has made since returning in 1999. Somtimes the over zealous (opening myself up to snarky rebutte and childish banters in reply) attitude that frequently prevails on this board is misguided blind acceptance and to me it's nonsense.

Years ago, there were critics who came here who could and did criticize decisions but over the years (and not just on this board) trolls have invaded and anyone who expresses a negative viewpoint on a decision is open to rampant attacks.

I will happily acknowledge I readily slip off into flat out pessimism with our franchise and try as I might it's hard to curb that after so many years of futility. I have no love for Art Modell but Art knew football. I don't believe we've had an owner, president, v.p., g.m., etc who really knows football. What puts our arch-rivals into so many Super Bowls and championship seadons? The Rooney's know football

I've heard Terry Bradshaw speak as a motivational speaker. He admits he likes to play that dumb old country boy routine and he will admit that he's certainly not one of the greatest QB's of all time. He had good people around him and a smart f.o. And owners. C'mon? Old Ben isn't a gem of a QB, but he's had talented people on his squad and there has been talented D's with them too.

I love my Browns and have since I was a kid in the early 60's. Why DO I come here? I value the opinions of some of the guys here who were on the old board a zillion years ago. The guys with 50,000 posts who know football much better than me. I laugh when peop,e wet their pants over we gotta get that guy or we did get this guy....excited, yes, but it's funny. Ha ha type of funny.

So...please do question my quirky replies. And thank you so much for doing it in a kind sensible adult manner! I'm not always right...just ask my wife...she'll confirm that.

Go Browns. I sure do pray that this IS THE YEAR. That this is the combination.

It happens both ways. It really depends on which side of the optimist/pessimist you're on as to exactly who gets hit with the attacks.

btw... As I interpret your sig, "The intelligent man finds almost everything ridiculous, the sensible man hardly anything.", it seems you're leaning toward the opposing definition.

I guess you are right if you count counter punching after being punched several times.

It ain't even close. Never has been.

I understand Dean, thanks for explaining. We are all abused and battered following this team the way we do. I guess sometimes we turn on each other and it gets nasty. Bothers me, too.

One day, and I hope we're all still alive, this team is gonna win. And none us are going to have any idea how to handle it!

It will not be soon.

I don't know, Vers. I think some people could have "Browns QB Syndrome". Symptoms include seeing "ghosts."

Like I said, it depends on which side you're on. I don't think we notice the wrongs done to others near as much as those done to us.

Chatting in a forum like this is a little bit like road rage in your car. You can get mad or take things the wrong way and then things get nasty like they never would in person.

I am not sure why anyone is upset with the RGIII signing. We made very little financial commitment, he has huge upside, it didn't affect our compensatory picks, and we can still pick a QB at #2 if he is good.

Having more options is never a bad thing.

You keep saying this, but it's not true. No matter how many times you say it, it still won't be true.

The RG3 signing is about as boneheaded a move as you can get. All because Hue and him had a great sit down. It certainly isn't because of his tape. Or his reputation. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. This whole decision was made because Hue and him had a great conversation. Think about that for a second. A great conversation. LOL. On what planet does a great conversation do anything for a struggling franchise like the Browns?

We once again have a group of idiots who want to be the smartest guys in the room. This move has nothing but ego written all over it.

Griffin showed what he can be his rookie year. There is a small chance he can return to being that player. That is upside.

Also, it was more than a conversation. Griffin worked out and it has been said he looked good.

I mean, if it is as bad as you say, they lose out on money. They are going to suck next year if RG3 is bad, so we will have another chance to fix the spot next year.

RG3 has the arm talent. If he doesnt put it together, oh well, move on.

We once again have a group of idiots who want to be the smartest guys in the room. This move has nothing but ego written all over it.

We work out a former #2 overall pick, rookie of the year and he blows the coaching staff away. Appears to be fully recovered from the injuries that sidelined him. We sign him pretty cheap for a qb.

Just trying to figure out why the hate. We gave up no picks, he has little in guarantees. Are we getting the the guy that is completely broken or are we getting the rookie that could throw it 65 yards with tremendous accuracy? Hue wanted him, give him a chance to see what he can do with him.

Tim is enjoying his work with Fox Sports South. His life with Heather Kozar, and time with his boys.

Can I trade him?

Some of us don't have to play dumb old country boys. We really are

Would you have preferred that we hired the idiots who wanted to be the dumbest ones in the room?

I don't get why anybody would be down on this move. Makes no sense.

we already tried that...

The upside is proportional to the cost. No picks and a bit of money from our ridiculously vast amount of cap room. If they passed on a great QB prospect in the draft because they were gambling RGIII will be good, that might be different. But even if they cast aside McCown, what is the problem?
We are not going to the playoffs this year. We have a 26-year old, once-truly special guy who has had one great season, one decent season and one terrible season who may be healed and humbled. Hue did't just like him in a sitdown (which I think is more important than you seem to), he loved him when he worked out.
RGIII is not a druggie like Gordon or an assclown like Manziel, and he is a really bright guy. For the price we paid, how can you not like it?

Ahh, I'm not overjoyed by it, but let it play out and see what else they do.

Jackson seems to get more out of QB's than anyone else can. Think Terrell Pryor for instance.

Maybe he can do that with Griffin. We'll see. I'm not down on it but I'm not dancin in the street either.

This move has too much upside to be considered anything but solid.
From what I see from this coach is a decisive decision to better this team.
Way to early for judgements either way. I'm going to enjoy the ride!

'Robert Griffin III to get in some work with Tom House'

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...with-tom-house/

Posted by Mike Florio on March 26, 2016, 11:36 AM EDT

When former Washington quarterback Robert Griffin III once tried to pick the brain of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, Brady wasn’t interested. So Griffin has decided to pick the brain of the guy whose brain Brady picks.

According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Griffin will spend the week with Tom House in an effort to work on Griffin’s mechanics. Griffin then will head to Cleveland for the launch of the offseason training program on April 4.

Cabot describes House as a “close associate” of Browns coach Hue Jackson. Of his various clients, House has worked with Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton, Jackson’s most recent pupil in Cincinnati.

The challenge when it comes to quarterback mechanics continues to be overriding years of muscle memory that kick in once a quarterback finds himself in the heat of the moment, relying on instinct. Still, the every-waking-moment obsession that afflicts high-end quarterbacks includes putting in enough reps to alter muscle memory — and to make themselves sufficiently comfortable while in the eye of the hurricane to allow things to slow down to the point where something more than instinct is controlling the quarterback’s movements.

Still, it can’t hurt to get some extra help. And maybe it’s a sign that Griffin is finally ready to do whatever he has to do to get the most out of his innate abilities.

All I hope is that RG3 puts in the work because rumor was he didn't do it in Washington

You have to give the FO credit for trying. It may work out it may not but the guy was highly thought of at one time, is still young and has upside. I like Hue and feel he knows what he is talking about when it comes to QB's. It's a gamble that won't cost too much if it fails. On paper it looks better than some of the other qb moves we've made i.e Jake Delhomme, Weeden and Quinn to name a few. Let's give it a chance and see how it plays out.

After thinking about it for a couple days, I've come to the opinion that signing Griffin is a "lots to gain, nothing to lose" scenario. LOL, it just takes me a little longer than some of the cooler heads around here. I'd still like to keep McCown around as the #2, while whomever we draft at QB soaks it all up. I think Josh will be a positive influence for all the QBs. Griffin might give us the luxury of choosing more of a project in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round, freeing up that #2 to take an impact defensive guy like Ramsey, Jack, or Bosa. It would be Bosa hands down if we played a 4-3, but I don't want to see him dropping into coverage in a 3-4.

Absolutely, you gotta give them credit for trying..

One thing about Griffin which isn't true of most experienced QB's we've brought in. He's young still. If you happen to hit with him, you could sign him long term and keep him here for 7 years or so..

Garcia was within a couple of years from the end, McCown is almost done, Delhomme was almost done as well. Griffin has time and miles to go. I know someone will say, "IF the stays healthy" Well, you can say that about any player....

I just have to ask you Damon, with the record of how well this FO managed to keep our young and upcoming players, just how much confidence do you have that they could retain RG3 in two years if he does play well?

I understand how they may have wanted someone younger at the back up QB position, but with the short term contract and the money they spent, when looking at that deal, they really have a lot of doubt about RG3, as it should be.

If RG3 rebounds and becomes good again, do you really believe he would want to stay here and that this FO can do what it takes to keep him based off of this last FA period?

When you say "Young and Upcoming Players" are you reffering to the 30 year old lineman, or the two guys in their mid to late 20s who each have had one good year?

Who are you talking about? Or, are you just "That Guy" again?

I can understand that. I have no problem with that. It's the outright moaning about RGIII and our front office that has me wondering...

I don't think we ever wanted to keep Mack. On the list of free agents available, he was between 50 and 60 on the list. I don't ever want the highest paid center.

Schwartz took a job for less than we offered. Our offer wasn't pulled. He obviously wanted out of town.

Had we offered less money, then you might have a point, but we didn't.

anybody seen this same movie before?
The Browns bring in a failed QB from another franchise crossing their fingers
that he's going to turn around a franchise that has 1 PLAYOFF showing 1999?
Hue Jackson has had success putting together some very productive offenses.
He had some very intelligent QBs commanding his offense.
RG3 got paid alot of money upfront.
Im just concerned about his lack of hunger and if he's willingly to put in the time
to be a franchise QB. His work ethic is questionable.
Tom House had success with Dalton it took him 2 years to correct Dalton's throwing
motion and footwork.
I just find it curious QB needy teams like the Texans and Broncos passed on this 26 year old.
sounds like the Browns are true to how they do they things with QBs.always taking a guy
that is the least desireable....Delhomme..McCown...

Whether the offer was pulled or not is up for debate.

I still ask, what are the odds of re-signing RG3 in two years if he does succeed as a QB?

A two year deal is nothing more than a stop gap, back up type QB deal. I think some posters are trying to make a lot more out of it than it is. If this FO truly believed that RG3 was the answer, we would have seen a long term contract at a lot more money.

I don't agree w/a lot of what you just posted, but I have to admit that it's concerning that none of the other QB Needy teams really went after RGIII.

Ya know I hate to say it. But I am starting to think that we are drafting Wentz at 2 anyway...sorta makes sense not that I agree with it.

This is how I feel... Don't hit the move but don't think it's world changing... We signed a guy who has a lot to prove who has a lot of talent for relatively little money...

I still think we have to draft a qb in the first or second round this year... If we don't then I'll be a little more upset.

To me, RG III is not a QB who fits in the Rams, Broncos or Jets systems. The 49ers already have Kaepernick under contract, so why should they go after a very similar style QB. During Hue's time in Oakland, Pryor, a similar style QB to RG III, had his best year as a QB and I think it should be noted that Pryor signed his tender and is on the Brown's roster, albeit as a WR.

I honestly would not be surprised to see the QB depth chart being Griffin, Pryor, and rookie QB/Shaw. Needless to say, the QB room could be interesting this year.

jmho

...because teams always publicize their interest in the players they don't get.

I don't really see all that many QB needy teams. Us, the Rams, The Jets, and the Broncos. The Jets kicked the tires, but they want to bring Fitzpatrick back. RG3 would have been the back up plan if they didn't/don't get a deal done.

I've heard the Bronco's not being interested because of Shanahan ties rumor, but I don't know how much truth there is to it.

No one knows what the Rams are doing at QB. Les Snead has been talking about building a team that minimizes the QB position.

You could throw in the 49ers, Bills, and Eagles perhaps, but they do have "interesting" QBs on their rosters in Kaepernick, Bradford, and Tyrod Taylor.

RG3 looked good and was willing to come here. I'm gonna wait and see how it goes before I go creating more worries for myself.

I get the point you made about only giving a two year contract.

I don't get the point I quoted above.

If he plays ...say like his rookie year or better, wouldn't we just use the franchise tag on him if we couldn't come up with a contract (or if he was trying to test the market)?

And if he does it the year after....same scenario. So that gives you 4 years with him. Yes I know you have to pay him like a top 5 salary at his position (and I think more the year after), but I'm "assuming" that saying he's playing well....means at a high level for his position.

I would say that keeps him based off of whatever you think about the state of our FO/team.

Also during this period of time, we should be grooming a QB either way; either a high draft pick or a middle round pick. Especially if we get to the first year we have to tag him, why we would wait this long to groom one I don't know but.. we better be grooming one at th

*assumption* if he's playing at a high level, there's a pretty good possibility our team is playing a hell of a lot better than what they have the past 15 years. It might might be a winning record but I would guess the team would look like there's some promise to them.