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University of Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch visits Cleveland Browns

Tom Reed, Cleveland.com By Tom Reed, Cleveland.com
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on March 28, 2016 at 9:11 PM, updated March 28, 2016 at 10:42 PM
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BEREA, Ohio -- The Browns' mission to improve the game's most important position remains ongoing just days after signing Robert Griffin.

A source confirmed to Cleveland.com that University of Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch visited the club Monday. ESPNCleveland.com also reported a visit from Baylor University receiver Corey Coleman.

The Browns hold the No. 2 pick in the upcoming draft and are believed to have serious interest in California's Jared Goff and North Dakota State's Carson Wentz – the top two quarterbacks in the class – even after signing Griffin last week.

Coach Hue Jackson and assistant Pep Hamilton attended the pro days of Goff and Wentz. The Memphis pro day is April 6, the week Browns' organized team activities begin. Lynch is widely considered the third-best QB in the draft.

Jackson told reporters last week he planned to meet with the Memphis passer who threw for 3,778 yards, 28 touchdowns and four interceptions last season.

"He's talented, he's a big guy and we're going to find out more about him," Jackson said of the 6-foot-7, 244 pounder.

The Browns would not use their top pick on him, though. They would either trade down in the first round or possibly move up from the No. 32 overall selection.

Coleman, a consensus All-American, caught 74 passes for 1,364 yards and 20 TDs last season with the Bears. The 5-11, 194-pound wideout is also first-round material

[quote]["He's talented, he's a big guy and we're going to find out more about him," Jackson said of the 6-foot-7, 244 pounder.

The Browns would not use their top pick on him, though. They would either trade down in the first round or possibly move up from the No. 32 overall selection./quote]

I would be okay w/this. I think he has the most talent of all the qbs in this draft.

As long as we don't trade into the #22 slot to get him.

Absolutely, I mean, I bet it's all a coincidence, but better safe than sorry. Enough with the QB at 22

I don't think Purdue wins an FCS National Championship, but the rest might be possible. I agree it is not the same thing with their level of competition (I did say similar rather than same), but I think it is a valid concern on Cook. Not necessarily a big one, but I don't think he rose to the better competition. Wentz stepped it up and looked better than the big conference QBs at the Sr. Bowl. I was also considering how good the rest of Cook's team was in comparision to the competition. Like Wentz, he had a "dominant" O-Line. I'd say Cook had a "comparatively" better defense on his team than Wentz had at NDSU. They shut down OSU pretty well. NDSU gave up 38 to Montana.

If you were in Ohio, I might have to stop by your office. My gut has not been right since I got out of the military. Vers would probably say I'm full of expletive, but I'm fairly sure that's not the issue.

I'd buy a Jestro jersey.

Washington moved from six to two in that trade. Fifteen to two, to acquire a QB, would require much more. Not happening.

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Sure it can.

Even using the old trade value chart.

Pick # 2 = 2600

Pick # 15 = 1050
Pick # 43 = 470
Pick # 45 = 450

So 2600 - 1970 = 630 left in value.

Next years first is worth that or we could get creative and ask for some young players.

The trade value chart is outdated and there is no way our analytically minded team is using something Jimmy Johnson conjured up out of nowhere. The baseline for that type of trade should be the RGIII. Especially if the move is move fifteen.

Also, the original poster did not mention any players. I'd [probably] take Aaron Donald (who was available when we picked Gilbert) for the #2 pick.

The amount of compensation to move from 2 to 15 would be ridiculous.

I don't think any of these QBs are worth the amount the Rams would pay.

While they may be almost a QB away, are they a rookie QB away?

Plus, they have Case Keenum.

We should just trade the #2 for Keenum.

With the way Snead and Fisher are talking him up, you'd think he was Aaron Rodgers.

Fine, #2 & #32.. but thats my final offer..

I hate to break it to you guys but the Harvard trade value chart doesn't value top picks as much.

We'd get less and not more if we use the newer charts.

Source?

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/pages/the-harvard-trade-value-chart

https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/

Very cool. Thank you.

My guess is that our front office uses something similar to this, but still has a proprietary system that is not available to the public.

So the price to move from #4 to #1 is a third round pick. Got it.

Most teams are in between this and the old chart.

A pick is still worth whatever someone wants to trade for it though.

I think we can agree that , that dog isn't going to hunt ..

Since Cleveland could be drafting a QB would anyone be interested in a group discussion, breakdown and ranking of the QBs? (its kinda being done already)

Now of course this isn't everyone's cup of tea, but for those hardcore draftnerds, armchair scouts and hardcore football fans its a fun exercise.
It could be a series of threads that focus on this current draft class game cut-ups. Then there could be another thread where people post they're assessments in a standardized format that is agreed upon in advance.

Sounds crazy or would anyone be interested? I can post examples if interested.

Lol, for a good laugh here's an example of my final grades at the end of the process from 2011, some of the rankings I shake my head at how wrong they were...

Posted 06 April 2011 - 04:54 PM

Updated 4/6/11

QB Eval-----Acc------- Arm------Ath/Esc------Drop/Foot-----Exp----Play------- Prod/Eff-------Size----Throw----AVG


Dalton........3.5...........3..........3.25...............3.............3.5...3.5...............4............3..........5.......3.53

Gabbert.......3...........4............3..................3..............3........3..............3............5.........5........3.5

J.Johnson.....3...........3.............4................3.5............3........4..............3.............4........2.5........3.3

Kaeprnick......3.........4.5...........4.................2.5............3........4..............4.............4..........2........3.4

Locker..........3...........4.5...........4.................4..............3.......5...............3............4..........5......3.94

Luck...........3.5..........3.5...........4..................5............2.......3.5..............5............5...........4......3.94

Mallett..........4............5.............1.................5.............3.5.......1.............4............4...........4......3.5

Newton........2.5............5............5.................2.............2.........5.............5............5...........4......3.94

Ponder.........3............3...........3.................5..............4........3...............3..........4.25......3.5.......3.52

Stanzi.........3.25..........3............3.................5.............3.5.......3..............4...........4.5.......3......3.58

Ty Taylor........3............3............5................3.5..............4........5.............4............2.........3......3.61

A look at next years QB'S !

http://walterfootball.com/draft2017QB.php

well that's a pedestrian group at best.

Well that's why we should keep waiting, right?

lol

I think a QB's prospects ability to play early is a vital part of the evaluation that has an impact on where they're drafted. On a more draft philosophy level I think projection is a myth. There are simply too many factors that are unknowable that have nothing to do with the prospects physical skillset that determine whether they will have success/development in 3 years or any given amount of time. I think all that can be done is to accurately evaluate, assess and rank the prospects based on what is known.

I mention Dalton not because I think he's a great QB. I mention Dalton because he started as rookie in a lockout year without OTAs. For a QB to start in those circumstances is an indication that there college offense prepared them. I recall Jay Gruden remarksing specifically about how some of the concepts in Fuente passing game translated to his passing game. Imo that is relevant because Hue knows Jay's offense so there is a similar scheme fit.

I agree that Wentz comp% is higher then Cooks but I'm not sure if his accuracy is necessarily better. I don't consider accuracy and comp% the same thing. But, I haven't charted them and haven't found accuracy or advanced numbers that include Wentz.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/graph.png
Here's a look at some advanced metrics for passing numbers:

Also, imo competition inflation enters into my processing of comp% and general passing metrics. For example look at Brandon Doughty leads the top of the metrics but you know there inflation there because of level of competition.

Now, I like Jones, I do. His arm talent is phenomenal. 12 guage, bang-bang. But it depends on where you have to take him. And if I'm picking a QB to develop long term? I would have Boykin, Driskel and Prescott ahead of him. And I would rate pro-style QBs like Brandon Allen ahead of him. I would put Jones in the same tier as Jacoby Brissett and Joel Stave higher too.

O'Korn will be in the top 6 or so of that list this time next year.

PFF is a fraud. They have no idea what they are talking about. I have often disagreed to the conclusions pro football focus comes to based on the numbers that they generate. You don't have to look much further than when after the 2014 season they called the Browns "The best-tackling team in football" while we finished 32nd against the run. Those "advanced metrics" are all based on subjective criteria.

Also, that Doughty score includes a bad weather game where his team was completely outclassed against LSU at Death Valley.

Just because I post something from PFF doesn't automatically mean I accept everything they post.

I've had a few e-mail discussions with them about how they grade CB play and I had a long discussion about how they graded Deone Buccanon as rookie. PFF isn't perfect by any stretch, but they provide information that you can't get anywhere else.

The data they collect, sort and publish extremely valuable and unique. There is a reason why PFF now only provides their full scope of metrics to NFL, NCAA and media outlets exclusively.

Also, i'm not sure why you assumed that because a team doesn't miss many tackles that it means they should be good against the run. If I wanted to find how a team did against the run I would look at their individual run grades DL,LBs and DBs then look at Football Outsiders defensive line and defensive rankings. That example doesn't seem like a fault in their missed tackles recording more a fault in what you thought the metric meant.

And all grading is subjective to an extent. But the grading process is standardized based on certain rules. I've graded games with people I've never met before and came out with basically the same grade. We may view a play or few differently out an entire game though. There are certain standards or rubric involved in grading games and PFF has a better self-checking protocols then most NFL teams.

Anyhow, do you have something against the chart I posted? Or just venting out against PFF in general?

I have something against the article it came from. It doesn't take long watching Goff to see that despite the narrative he really struggles with ball placement. Look at all the middle of the field throws that require adjustments from the receivers. It's not complicated. Then you look at the ratings they gave Jones and I'm like what are you watching? Even if you only consider this season, look at the cut-ups on draftbreakdown (since they are readily available) against Virginia Tech and against Maryland. The ball placement is superb. Many times... heck probably most times the right spot to put the ball is not on the numbers. Throwing to the proper shoulder to lead the receiver away from the hit or allow the receiver to wall off the defender whether on a comeback or on a screen, he's nailing it. On the deep ball in the corner vs. Maryland dropping it short right in front of the near pylon to avoid the safety. Hitting the slant runners in stride. Really those two are a clinic and puts what Goff did to shame. You see more of the same the previous year. His game against Penn state was bad, but overall his accuracy was on an entirely different level than guys like Goff and Cook if you really understand where he is throwing.

And that there there is what makes analytics another tool with information to consider, not a replacement for good old watching from the viewpoint of understanding what's happening. No set of numbers can do that. They could get closer depending on the person doing the grading. But the accuracy in that depends on the grader knowing what he's seeing.

Whats your take on Deshaun Watson ??

I like:

--his accuracy

--ability to throw accurately on the move

--his pocket presence

--arm strength

--football intelligence

--his body, which will only get better

--sees the entire field

I Don't Like:

--extremely raw

--will have to sit a 2-3 years, but that does not relate to his talent

--his touch

--timing is off at times

Dude is extremely raw. It's going to take some time, but he has the tools to possibly be good.

And again..........I would not take him at #2.