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Never been up your way (one day) but, I have been all over Eastern Oregon, which is big land and those who live off of it. It's politically, socially and culturally a different country than Portland. Ranchers, cowboys, cattlemen, agriculture etc.

Would you say Alaskans are more Libertarian?

It's not so violent, main's of faith are hunters too.

This site is a good way to see were Bernie MUST dominate Hilary to have a chance. You should Ignore the Super Delegates until the convention, they will fall on the side of the winner of the most pledged delegates.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

And with Bernie's followers basically feeling "Bernie or Bust" after seeing all the crap Hillary, the DNC and media have thrown at him at every turn... They will need his followers, so we will have to see how this all shakes out. If Hillary doesn't hit the magic number before the convention then I would say Bernie gets the nod.

Bernie is going to have a rough time in the remaining east coast and Midwest.

Yea, lighten up, I'm still a guy who puts his pants on one leg at a time, don't try to make me Pope! Besides it was a joke about anger and little hands. Sheez...

Further more, I shave my neck and got no Main!

With a straight razor I presume.

You hope!

I think you took that the wrong way.

You are absolutely right Eve. There are give mes for Bernie. He's going to have to earn it, unlike Hillary.

I will say I'm not pinning my hopes on it, but I do still see some light at the end of the tunnel. Many dems are pissed over the shenanigans in Arizona. AND in my opinion, Bernie lost in Ohio for two reasons:

1) Many Dems voted Kasich hoping to stop Trump.
2) Spring Break Hurt him badly that day.

I think WV, Kentucky and Maryland fall to Hillary. I think it's a battle in Pennsylvania, Indy, New York and New Jersey. I think Bernie has the edge and many huge victories in the rest.

Just my opinion.

I too was joking…(well, sort of).

But, I will accept the blame for the typo.

It should make you feel better that Bernie won Washington state too.

Maybe I should revive Bernie Claus!

Bernie Claus was hilarious.

Bernie is going to make up about 80 or so delegates today. He will still be down by 220 not counting Super Delegates (which don't count now).

New York has 247, California has 475, roughly another 1000 elsewhere, so it's not over by a long shot.

It sure is an amazing Primary season where anything can happen on any given day. Can't wait to see how it all ends up.

Best danged reality show I have seen yet!

It's good TV drama, but it's pretty horrifying that any of these people will be our future president.

Makes me feel like the Bachelorette!

Thing is, this is only the Executive Branch. We still have two other Branches to help or slow down the Executive.

https://www.gq.com/story/a-thought-on-the-gross-ted-cruz-sex-scandal-rumor

i hope it ain't true, simply for the marriage sake.

they are getting this from tabloids, though. i mean come on, media. seriously?

Wrong. But thanks for playing.

Well the Enquirer did break the John Edwards story so…we'll just have to see.

Ugh.

This sucks.

Apparently the story has been held back for months and was going to be released on Breitbart but finally leaked with the Enquirer.

Let us all hope the disgusting story of people finding Ted Cruz sexually attractive is merely a horrible rumor.

The stuff with Cruz's wife was honestly less about her looks.. I'm not sure how far it went in the mainstream media but she had a mental breakdown on the highway and apparently both may be frequent drinkers.

I guess what's nagging at me most:

That we can talk about this stuff in such a nonchalant manner.
I've just been completely gobsmacked at where Trump and Cruz have decided to set the bar for their discourse... and I simply can't understand how either of them have ANY following whatsoever.

How can either of these people be considered viable candidates for the highest office in the land? How can either of them have any credibility after seeing the crapfest they've made of the GOP campaign?

I see the stuff making the news, and it looks like one long, unending episode of Jerry Springer.

Is anyone else truly dismayed that the face of one of our two major parties is being portrayed by these two? Who are they trying to reach? Who would vote for either of these guys? Someone PLEASE tell me why I should take either of them seriously.

I get that politics is based almost as much on emotion/tribalism as it is rational thought, but I see these two guys....
...and I just blink my eyes and shake my head.

I'd like to take party out of the equation as I ask this next question, because this one truly does come from a non-partisan place:

Is anyone else as appalled as I am to see our national politic reduced to THIS?

'Hand size'
Wife 'hotness' comparisons
Accusations of marital infidelity

Sorry. I was raised by people who viewed behavior like this as an example of what we shouldn't be. I was disgusted by it when I saw my fellow teens exhibiting it, and it nauseates me even more, now that I've had some experience at being an adult.

Let's get truly REAL here: would ANY of you tolerate behavior like this from members of your own family? AND... if your answer is "no," why would you even consider casting a vote for either of them, no matter what political party you identify with?

This is about standards, people. Have we really allowed the bar to drop to THIS level?

When did being a low-bar, monosyllabic mouth-breather become acceptable personal traits for the Leader of the Free World? Why would any sane American entrust either of these guys with the Nuclear Football?

I'm done with being amused, shocked and "entertained" by any of this. This is actually becoming a deep concern to me.

Does anyone else watch this mockery of American Politics with a rumbling in his gut? Like he ate something he shouldn't?

This **** ain't funny any more.
This world has real problems that need solutions. And most of the world is going to look to the US to be part of The Answer.

And half the (statistically) electable candidates are acting like WWE characters.

Oh My God.
I never saw anything like this coming.

Oh Clem, stop being so politically correct. These candidates aren't afraid to tell it like it is! A real leader will talk about infidelity, mud sling against impovershed groups in America, and instill the needed xenophobia many of those stuck in the 1950s so desire.

These candidates give a platform to those who were once ignored. The GOP created this monster with their ridiculous social policies.

mmhmm

The 1950's were better than today in many ways.

The cultural transition from the 50's is supposed to be taken nonchalantly as an excellent thing...In reeeeality...we are seeing a massive collapse in family stability and massively declining birth rate. No big deal right? Many of the people I know hitting 30 now are still single and completely disillusioned about marriage and family. If that trend continues with the next generation it will be a nightmare. Decadence and delay are taking sway over creating a family and the financial incentives are pushing that way as well.

I really don't care about anything else while single motherhood, two parent working households, divorce, and insaaaaane housing prices are currently the norm. I simply do not care about anything else than the abject collapse of the American household. Black families have taken the biggest brunt with whites and hispanics now following suit. The Black family was actually more stable than white families in terms of single motherhood and divorce...until the 1960s or so when everything began to decay and collapse. I'm not against the welfare state for some mysterious reason, in my opinion it has completely destroyed the black community and I can see how that is furthering its way into the white community now.

These are the issues that legitimately impact people's happiness in the long run. Children raised in single mother or divorced families on average turn out less happy than from married couples. Having a single mother as a parent is a worse predictor of mental health than living in poverty. (sorry to anyone this may bother)

I am not fundamentally against programs for the poor, but I am deeply against anything I see as further destabilizing the family unit. If there were a politician running a very severe ending single motherhood / divorce platform I'd be all over it.

I'm not following here, Cob. Major legislation has since been passed since the 50s that gave protection to minorities, women, and other oppressed groups. Are you saying things like the Civil Rights Act displaced the family? Not insinuating, but that's truly one of the biggest pieces of legislation since then. Can't see what else you're drawing at.

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Regarding single mothers...

I come from a family where my Mom, a wonderful and strong lady who is a huge reason I am who I am, was a single parent after my Dad filed for divorce. She remarried after meeting my step-dad, but she was a single Mom for awhile. She worked, found a way to raise my sister and me, and worked enough to keep a roof over our heads.

From there I've graduated high school, graudated magna cum laude from The University of Toledo (that includes starting at a 2.5 in engineering....and switching to education finishing above a 3.6 cumulative GPA), and now find myself with the most rewarding career possible.

I attribute a lot of what makes me "me" to my parents getting divorced. It's given me patience, empathy, understanding, compassion, and a host of other qualities that help me in every day life.

I know this is anecdotal and all, but I need to share this before bashing against divorced women and such starts happening in this thread.

No prob Rocket. With single mothers and divorce we're talking general statistics and not anything personal for anyone.

The issue for me isn't about protection of minorities etc. etc. My response wasn't really in line with the thoughts you were discussing so my post came a bit out of left field.

The issue for me is financial incentives encouraging single motherhood and divorce. Two parent working households is another kettle of fish but I'm pretty deeply opposed to that as well on the same attachment theory / family stability grounds.

I need to wake up for church at like 6 am so I can't whip out my giant packet of psych-literature on the subject right now

I can do so later tomorrow if you're interested. Offhand I'd summarize the subject as - Attachment pattern -> Secure = Happier person. Attachment pattern -> Insecure = Less happy person. And then exploring the different areas in which an insecure attachment develops you'll find naturally an "insecure" family, being single motherhood, divorce, limited exposure to parents (2 parents working / daycare usage), parent put into prison; all increase the likelihood of insecure attachments dramatically.

For what it is worth I'm also vociferously against spanking and verbal abuse for the same reasons. I'm also extremely against drug laws which take men away from their families over non-violent crimes. If you boil down my actual philosophy, I'm basically in support of family stability as the hallmark of happiness for people.

I can explain xenophobia at some point if the position is truly needs explaining. The phobia moniker tagged on all these things is actually pretty obnoxious when you boil it down. It has to do with in-group preference and the collapse of white households much more so than fearing anyone. It is an emotional reaction to pull back assistance to the out-group while your in-group isn't doing well. I can yammer more on it someday. I imagine as someone working with natives in Alaska you aren't quite as prone to in-group preference as others may be

Bernie Takes Hawaii! Same split as the earlier states.

HERE COMES BERNIE! lol

Clem, the three things you mention are coming from one candidate. Not two.
Other than 'social policies' I really don't understand why people have a problem with Cruz.
Not gonna make a list on Easter morning and by now we all oughta know where everyone is coming from so…

Far as you not being entertained anymore-glad you caught up (if indeed you were actually entertained at all). I truly thought he'd have flamed out by the middle of summer myself.

I think Trump supporters have left off the rational thinking part of the equation and just gone with emotion/tribalism.

He's not talking about the civil rights act. He's talking about the war on poverty. My parents were divorced by the time I was six. My father wasn't that involved in our lives early on which left a vacuum in her three sons in need of a male role model so she married a guy who on the surface seemed like a good man.

Nope, after 4-6 years of verbal, physical and --- (yes that's what I mean, I just don't want to type it out) abuse perpetrated on my brothers he was gone. Kinda funny, all the dad bashing my mother's side of the family did lessened (not by much) when they saw how much my stepfather abused the take days off from work at Ford for whatever reason, at least acknowledging that my after got up and went to work every morning.

Most of that time we were on some sort of government or family assistance which robbed me of my ambition. I had to make myself get it back.

But anyways, Happy Resurrection Sunday everyone!

I got nothing.

Ignorance or I think the majority of Americans have been forced in to voting for one corrupt party over the other their so used to stepping on their own dicks they simply don't know how to do anything else at this point. The good thing is they do realize they have been stepping on their own dicks, now they need to figure out how to stop doing it. I guess everything happens incrementally, don't know.

Simply put we still have a ways to go.



So would I because they have both sold us out. While they put on these public displays (Gun control abortion, etc. etc.) of caring they have been systematically economically robbing us, and finally and thankfully people have finally wised up, but then they go and pick people like, Trump, Cruz, and Clinton, and I can guarantee we are in for more of the same.

Our choices come down to picking between the lesser of evils, which in reality isn't a choice at all. I'm a Bernie guy because he is the only honest one among the whole bunch. I don't agree with all he wants to do I most closely identify with his doggedness on campaign reform, wall street, and medicaid for all.

My great hope is that with campaign reform these losers will self deport and we can get elected officials that represent the every day man again.....

I have serious issues with a candidate who continuously talks about religion in politics. Separation of church and state, remember? I don't need a leader forcing their belief, or better yet, their view of a belief, onto me or the rest of the land. Kinda sounds similar to what the Taliban are doing, don't ya think?

Add to it his disbelief of: climate change and evolution and it just becomes laughably ignorant and downright scary for a leader of the people to disregard the science and proof in favor of his beliefs.

There are several other reasons why I don't like Cruz too but, whether he had extramarital affairs or not isn't one of them. That, isn't any of my business. It's nobody's business but his and his wife's.

It'll be interesting to the the NR....uhh...i mean the GOP's response to this petition.

they are the party of guns, after all.

Thousands call for guns at US Republican convention

http://news.yahoo.com/thousands-call-guns-us-republican-convention-180751629.html

Washington (AFP) - More than 22,000 people have signed a petition calling for Americans to be allowed to carry firearms at the Republican National Convention -- because the ban puts lives at risk.

Guns are not allowed inside the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, where the event -- which could descend into a heated battle for the party presidential ticket -- is taking place in July.

The petition went up on the Change.org website and by Saturday had been signed by 22,633 supporters in just a few days, with numbers rising fast.

"Cleveland, Ohio is consistently ranked one of the top 10 most dangerous cities in America," says the petition, which among others is addressed to the Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump and his rivals Ted Cruz and John Kasich.

"By forcing attendees to leave their firearms at home, the RNC and Quicken Loans Arena are putting tens of thousands of people at risk both inside and outside of the convention site."

In the event of an attack on the venue people there "will be sitting ducks," raising the specter that the Islamic State extremist group could target it, the petition says.

"We are all too familiar with the mass carnage that can occur when citizens are denied their basic God-given rights to carry handguns or assault weapons in public," the petition adds.

Firearms were banned by the Secret Service at the Republican convention in Tampa in 2012, US media say.

Well, considering Trump has threatened "riots" if there is a contested convention and they don't make him the nominee...to allow guns seems rather counterproductive and potentially like throwing gasoline on an already angry fire.

SWEEP!
Saturday will now be known as Bernie Day!

Show me where Trump has threatened "Riots".

I know Trump said their could be riots if they screw him and his millions and millions of supporters at the convention because those people are going to be very angry, which is true, but Trump never threatened or called for riots.

Typical Libby propaganda and lies.

You should get a job with the Press.

Trump's words:
"I think we’ll win before getting to the convention, but I can tell you, if we didn’t and if we’re 20 votes short or if we’re, you know, 100 short and we’re at 1,100 and somebody else is at 500 or 400, because we’re way ahead of everybody, I don’t think you can say that we don’t get it automatically. I think you would have riots. I think you would have riots."

Read what you want...but, in between this masked veil is an insinuation and threat of riots. Even more reason why he should never be our President. Show me another respected leader of a powerful nation that uses language like this.

Riots are only acceptable when the liberal lemmings are doing it.

“I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.“ - ..Barack Obama


“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in Philadelphia last night.

Like I said, you should work for the Press.

Ridiculous.

Show me where Trump calls for Riots. Show me where Trump says he would lead the Riots. Give me anything, anything at all.

Donald Trump Warns There Could Be Riots If He Isn’t GOP Nominee
“I wouldn’t lead it, but I think bad things would happen.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-riots-nomination_us_56e956fae4b0b25c9183e915

Tell a lie enough times and you will eventually believe it as fact.

Agreed. Not an appropriate quote to use. But, to be fair, it wasn't last night, (unless he said it in the same place 8 years later?)…this was in 2008 and he was quoting Sean Connery in 'The Untouchables'. But, I agree...very poor choice of words.

As are Trump's…especially as they are now requesting guns to be brought into their convention. All it will take is one angry hot head, right?