RGIII was the former overall #2 pick in a very strong draft class. Much stronger than this class.
He was more highly regarded coming out of college than any qb in this class.
Thus, I would not say that it is stupid to take a chance on him. And I do not think [just my opinion] that drafting a qb at number 2 this year is all that smart.
Would you be willing to not draft Goff or Wentz or draft Goff or Wentz and have them forego valuable playing time on the incredibly long odds that RG3 could be that guy? That's what makes me so angry about this move.
I think that we already know that the QB we are drafting will need a season to learn.
If you really want that QB that we draft to be the QB for the next 10 years, you should be happy that we now have another option to eat snaps. Throwing rookies to the wolves does this team in more often then not.
Some QBs step in right away and learn from doing, others are better off sitting for a year. I don't follow college football and I am no talent evaluator, but if you love a QB at #2, you take him there because it's the QB position. You don't wait until later in the draft.
Clearly there were some issues with RG3 in Washington The questions are: How much was his fault? I don't think any of us will ever know for sure and How much of those issues remain? We're sure going to find out.
RG3 has an amazing arm. Strong and accurate. Did he struggle reading defenses? Probably. BUT... 1st year he was a rookie - no rookies are good at this. 2nd year he came back from injury too soon. 3rd year he had to learn a new offense. 4th year didn't play - I think a lot of this was because of injury guarantees n his contract - jmo
This is not to make excuses for him but to offer an explanation. Is he able to learn to read defenses? Don't know. BUT... I don't know that he can't - because of the above.
To me this is like buying a lottery ticket. We pay a couple bucks and could possibly win millions. Though I believe the odds of RG3 being good or better than good are much better than the 1 in 1.7 million odds of buying a winning lottery ticket.
The difference between Jesus and religion Religion mocks you for having dirty feet Jesus gets down on his knees and washes them
I tried explaining reading defenses several times over the years. In fact, I did so in a previous RGIII thread. I got one reply on that post. LOL.........but, I get a bunch if I say something negative about the Browns.
..He threw his offensive line under the bus. He went behind his coaches' backs to the owner. He had that sense of entitlement and soon he was not very popular w/his teammates. ------------------------------------ Versatile Dog-
First things first. I did not call you a liar. So, when you repeated write that I called you a lair that in fact is a lie. Feel free to quote where I call you a liar.
Second you've posted a bunch of articles, mostly negative about Griffin. That's great. I'm sure we all believe that if it's published by sports media thorough vetting process it all must be true right?
But where do the articles address the specific areas you initially claimed (threw teammates under the bus, went behind coaches back and is disliked by teammates) that I asked you about the origin of the perception?
That's just it, he's not. Since being in the league he has not demonstrated one single positive quality that make him succeeding anything other than a long shot. Being the #2 pick in the draft doesn't qualify. Name me one positive quality to build on.
Deputy, we don't need to sit any QB. It just puts the QB and the team farther behind. There are ways to protect your QB when they are playing. You utilize those. There is absolutely no substitute for live game reps. None. Sitting QBs is idiotic. Let's get this show on the road.
The RG3 thing is just going to be a colossal waste of time. Time the Browns FO should treat a little more preciously. That's my gripe. There is nothing redeeming about this signing other than he was the 2nd pick in the draft once upon a time.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
I tried explaining reading defenses several times over the years. In fact, I did so in a previous RGIII thread. I got one reply on that post. LOL........
Maybe everybody agreed with you?
I know I didn't respond because I don't feel like I can formulate an intelligent opinion on that topic. And for all you wise butts out there, yes I know that has never stopped me before
The difference between Jesus and religion Religion mocks you for having dirty feet Jesus gets down on his knees and washes them
First things first. I did not call you a liar. So, when you repeated write that I called you a lair that in fact is a lie. Feel free to quote where I call you a liar.
WTH do you call this?
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Again, living in the DC area none of the above is true.
If you say nothing of what I say is true, you are indeed calling me a liar. Look man.......I am NOT going to let you call me liar w/out firing back.
You wanna disagree w/my points.......fine. But, don't freaking say I am a liar.
Do y'all know how absurd this is? I got one guy calling me a liar because I pointed out some of RGIII's flaws and another saying I am wrong for thinking it is wrong to give RGIII a shot. LOL........I yi yi yi.....
One positive quality:
--He has a good arm
--He throws a beautiful deep ball
--He can throw on the move
--He cam make all the throws
--He is athletic.
That's more than one............but hopefully, you get the point.
Do y'all know how absurd this is? I got one guy calling me a liar because I pointed out some of RGIII's flaws and another saying I am wrong for thinking it is wrong to give RGIII a shot. LOL........I yi yi yi.....
One positive quality:
--He has a good arm
--He throws a beautiful deep ball
--He can throw on the move
--He cam make all the throws
--He is athletic.
That's more than one............but hopefully, you get the point.
Now you know how i feel most of the time lol I think we see RG3 the same way. All world talent but he has to clean up his footwork and put in the work in the film room.
First things first. I did not call you a liar. So, when you repeated write that I called you a lair that in fact is a lie. Feel free to quote where I call you a liar.
WTH do you call this?
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Again, living in the DC area none of the above is true.
If you say nothing of what I say is true, you are indeed calling me a liar. Look man.......I am NOT going to let you call me liar w/out firing back.
You wanna disagree w/my points.......fine. But, don't freaking say I am a liar.
I've read it a few times and he still doesn't call you a liar. But if you want to interpret it that way, it's a free country. But let me ask you this: what do you call a person who constantly (to the point it must be purposefully) misconstrues what other posters write? You've done that to me several times and you constantly do it to others when they do something as simple as pose a possible rational explanation as to choices that the FO makes. Because a rational explanation runs counter to your hate the FO agenda, you automatically start labeling and belittling them as people who think the FO does no wrong. I can't think of a single poster around here that blindly supports this FO, yet according to you they are Legion.
Next time you want to complain about the lack of responses to a thread you start, answer this question: why should anyone participate when all you're going to do is make things up about what other people say?
And if this Dawg lives in the DC area, yeah, he just might have a little more knowledge on someone who used to play there as he'd be a little more plugged in with the local team coverage. Same as someone who lives in Cleveland would likely know a little more than someone who lives in Ireland.
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." -Jack Burton
-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
That's just it, he's not. Since being in the league he has not demonstrated one single positive quality that make him succeeding anything other than a long shot. Being the #2 pick in the draft doesn't qualify. Name me one positive quality to build on.
I cannot fathom how short of a memory you could possibly have to say this. Bare minimum, RG3 is a top 5 deep ball thrower in the NFL. Strong arm and really accurate.
He needs to work on timing, footwork, and pre and post snap reads need to be faster, but physically he has everything you want, outside of his knee injuries.
Again, there was a point where many people would have taken RG3 over Luck. To say he isnt worth the time can be your opinion, especially if you prefer the two top guys in this class.
Me? Im willing to take a shot on RG3 and draft someone else at 2.
That's just it, he's not. Since being in the league he has not demonstrated one single positive quality that make him succeeding anything other than a long shot. Being the #2 pick in the draft doesn't qualify. Name me one positive quality to build on.
Deputy, we don't need to sit any QB. It just puts the QB and the team farther behind. There are ways to protect your QB when they are playing. You utilize those. There is absolutely no substitute for live game reps. None. Sitting QBs is idiotic. Let's get this show on the road.
The RG3 thing is just going to be a colossal waste of time. Time the Browns FO should treat a little more preciously. That's my gripe. There is nothing redeeming about this signing other than he was the 2nd pick in the draft once upon a time.
Its funny that you don't even know which guy we drafted yet and already know that he doesn't need to sit.
The QB closest to starting week 1 that I see in this draft would be Goff, but I wouldn't count on that coming from a spread system. I also think he has less upside than the other options.
The best way to protect your rookie QB is to teach him to play NFL football before you throw him out there.
You can't think RG3 is a waste of time unless you think Connor Shaw or Austin Davis are better right now.
Yes we might have got RGME or RGKNEE but if we did, he is cuttable because he was RGFREE. We now have the QB whisperer and he might turn him into RGGLEE.
Dummy offense and facing a lot of dummy defenses in college did him no favors. Shanny gave him a 1 read offense. Gruden didnt baby him and threw him in the deep end and well he sank.
He was taking practice reps at free safety the last half of the season a year ago. that gives me some hope.
I think he can learn it but lets be honest, we really dont know how much he wants it and thats the big one. These kids just arent learning what they were learning before and its up to them to get it at this level. some like Johnny just want the life and without the sacrifice.
If RG3 hadn't had issues in DC, then he would never have been available for us to sign.
Teams do not just throw away top quality QBs. RG3 had issues, from performance on the field, to issues with the coaches, to issues with teammates. That is why I have said that we need to give him a shot, but also have a long term QB plan in place. I know that some do not want the Browns to draft a QB at 2, but I do. I want as much pressure and talent at the QB spot as possible.
We signed a guy with talent, but also with problems. I believe that Hue is the right guy to help straighten out a QB, but there is no guarantee that RG3 can be straightened out. I really, really liked RG3 coming out of Baylor. I desperately wanted the Browns to trade up and draft him. Unfortunately for him, and the Redskins, he did not work out there. He now has a shot here ..... but it is a shot with limits. He cannot do what he did in DC. He has to come in with a better attitude, and has to put in the work to improve his weaknesses. If not, then we need a plan ... well .... not Plan B ..... but really a parallel plan ...... one that allows us to move forward if RG3 cannot do what is required of him.
I think that RG3 is a very, very talented guy, but like all NFL players, he needs to put the whole package together. Talent only takes you so far in the NFL.
Thus far, it appears that RG3 is on the right path, but it is incredibly early in the process, and far, far too early to say that he will stay on that path. We need that pressure, and that parallel plan at the QB spot, just in case. The QB position is simply too important not to do so.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Because a rational explanation runs counter to your hate the FO agenda, you automatically start labeling and belittling them as people who think the FO does no wrong. I
That's funny...........I supported the move to sign RGIII.
You are just another turd on the board. I remember you calling me a "douche bag" because I didn't agree w/you. You didn't get suspended for it, either.
I have supported you as a police officer, yet I get BS responses like this latest one from you.
Who cares? People respond to what they want to. We all do.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
.............is will he ever be able to read defenses post-snap?
Vers, this is a teaching moment for me. What I mean is that I am not sure what a post-snap read is. I think I understand what a pre-snap read is because the QB has to determine what he thinks the defense is going to do, call the right protection, audible if he thinks the O is in the wrong play. But can you explain to me what or how you read post-snap or what the QB is looking for post-snap? Also if I am wrong on the pre-snap read can you tell me where I am wrong so I can try to get the concept? Thanks.
Btw-------------I wonder why I didn't get any "thanks for the articles" comments from all of our objective posters?
Maybe because most people on the board are being polite in order to be complimentary and welcoming to new posters. That's why edromeo got the reception he did from his posts. I mean, someone has to balance out the hate and vitriol you provide the minute they post something you don't like.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Do y'all know how absurd this is? I got one guy calling me a liar because I pointed out some of RGIII's flaws and another saying I am wrong for thinking it is wrong to give RGIII a shot. LOL........I yi yi yi.....
One positive quality:
--He has a good arm
--He throws a beautiful deep ball
--He can throw on the move
--He cam make all the throws
--He is athletic.
That's more than one............but hopefully, you get the point.
You're reaching. None of those qualities even come close to saying he could be a solid NFL QB. You could probably find those qualities in someone in a thousand flag football leagues in this country.
Better yet, do any of those qualities make him worth investing time in?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
Its funny that you don't even know which guy we drafted yet and already know that he doesn't need to sit.
Funny like haha funny or funny like not really funny?
I don't care who which guy we draft at 2. Don't draft a guy at 2 you don't plan to start. If you draft a guy in the third round and don't want to start him, that makes sense. Not if you draft a guy at 2 overall.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
.............is will he ever be able to read defenses post-snap?
Vers, this is a teaching moment for me. What I mean is that I am not sure what a post-snap read is. I think I understand what a pre-snap read is because the QB has to determine what he thinks the defense is going to do, call the right protection, audible if he thinks the O is in the wrong play. But can you explain to me what or how you read post-snap or what the QB is looking for post-snap? Also if I am wrong on the pre-snap read can you tell me where I am wrong so I can try to get the concept? Thanks.
Vers can explain it better than me , but I believe he is talking about when a defense has disguised what scheme it will run on the play. i.e. The safeties appear to be in cover two but the free safety on the snap quickly moves up to run support or to jump an underneath route. Or the corners look to be man to man but bail on the snap to a deep zone for a cover three.
BTW, IMO he is correct in that RG3 biggest weakness is his inability to read post snap or to digest the imformation quick enough to make the pass.
You're reaching. None of those qualities even come close to saying he could be a solid NFL QB. You could probably find those qualities in someone in a thousand flag football leagues in this country.
Better yet, do any of those qualities make him worth investing time in?
What qualities do you see in Davis, Shaw, and McCown that make them worthy of time? We're going to have more than one QB on the roster no matter what.
None of your flag football QBs have done anything in the NFL. RG3 did his rookie year. He won rookie of the year, and looked awfully good doing it. Refined? Not really, but he made explosive plays. Did he develop bad habits after/while getting beat the hell out of? Yes, but so would a lot of QBs. Is he fixable? Hue thinks so. He has more upside than anyone else we have on the roster at QB. Hue said Robert showed "freakish accuracy" during his workout. Is that a good enough trait for you?
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Wouldn't Shannahan have first-hand knowledge of RGIII's work ethic? Or, does our new poster know more about it because he lives in DC?
Just wondering?
RG3's 2nd season he was all about repairing that damaged knee so that he could start the season. He was mostly at rehab and I am not totally sure of the CBA rules he cannot participate with team functions until he gets Doctor. So while Shanny was putting in the entire system (from the dummy down year one version) with Cousins and the team - RG3 was rehabbing. He probably should have sat a year...but the Shanny's were fighting for their job still.
All this Coach killer stuff is silly. The team didn't produce and they got fired. There jobs were on the line from 2012...RG3 saved them for a season...not killed them.
After that ordeal and a lot of negative situations that came about from starting too soon from injury. He didn't hit the books like he should have with Gruden. I don't think Gruden inspired him much...but RG3 paid for what he did...or should I say didn't do.
Lets hope Hue can inspire him as well as being humbled and starting over. RG3 is smart...book smart and football smart he is capable of getting the most our of Hard work...time to put that hard work not in rehabbing but in our playbook and QB techniques.
jmho
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Its funny that you don't even know which guy we drafted yet and already know that he doesn't need to sit.
Funny like haha funny or funny like not really funny?
I don't care who which guy we draft at 2. Don't draft a guy at 2 you don't plan to start. If you draft a guy in the third round and don't want to start him, that makes sense. Not if you draft a guy at 2 overall.
What makes you so sure that the guy we are taking is at the #2 spot?
Let me see if I understand your logic here...
If there is a QB that you like, you take him at #2 even if it's a reach.
If you take a guy at #2, you have to start him even if he isn't ready.
Starting a QB before he's ready has worked so well before. Some shining examples are Charlie Frye, Brady Quinn and Colt McCoy.
I'll bet Bill Belichick has that phrase etched into the walls of his practice facility.
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The keys to success...
Reach for a QB. Start him too early. Next stop Superbowl!
[quote=Versatile Dog]RGIII has his issues. But, he's worth a shot.
"That's just it, he's not. Since being in the league he has not demonstrated one single positive quality that make him succeeding anything other than a long shot. Being the #2 pick in the draft doesn't qualify. Name me one positive quality to build on..... " quote by Rishuz.
My Reply: Does "Rookie of the Year" mean anything? Doe his high quarterback rating mean anything? Does the fact that he carried the entire Redskin organization on his back to the playoffs his rookie year mean anything?
What he accomplished his rookie year was probably his hubris. He was put on a pedestal in Washington and I think that is what made him become arrogant, self-centered and self-destructive. What Shannahan did to RG3 in the Seattle playoff game was criminal in my mind. It may very well have ruined his career.
No one works any harder in rehab than RG3, but hopefully he has learned that he needs to spend the same commitment in the film room. Fame was thrust on him too soon, hopefully he has learned humility. If he has matured and he stays healthy he is capable of becoming a premier quarterback in the NFL in my opinion.
.............is will he ever be able to read defenses post-snap?
Vers, this is a teaching moment for me. What I mean is that I am not sure what a post-snap read is. I think I understand what a pre-snap read is because the QB has to determine what he thinks the defense is going to do, call the right protection, audible if he thinks the O is in the wrong play. But can you explain to me what or how you read post-snap or what the QB is looking for post-snap? Also if I am wrong on the pre-snap read can you tell me where I am wrong so I can try to get the concept? Thanks.
Traveler and I had a discussion about this on another RGIII thread. I will copy and paste it. There are also a couple of links to click on that should help. Let me know if you have any questions. I'll try to answer them. Who knows, others might join in and we can have an intelligent conversation. Traveler was the ONLY person who responded the last time, but I get an infinite number of replies regarding the "not true" post.
Anyway.......here goes and let me know what you think:
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There is a difference between reading defenses pre-snap vs post-snap. I call the latter reading coverages, but I think that confuses people on this board. Whatever........it's not important what we call it.
Reading defenses pre-snap is something that a lot of film study can help. You look for tendencies on down and distances, field position, time left in the game, what the score is, etc. You can exploit things by getting your team in the right play by the look you see at the LOS. Thus, you can improve quite a bit in that area.
Reading defenses [coverages] post-snap is a different world. Teams often disguise their pre-snap looks and switch into a different coverage. There are also smart defenders out there who come off of their guy because they read the offensive play. There are guys that bait you and that is why throwing w/anticipation is so important. Guys break on balls way faster than they do in college, so it is imperative to throw w/anticipation [again] and to make quick reads.
Guys who aren't sure of what they see tend to do several bad things.
--First, they begin by throwing what we call "dumb interceptions." "What was he looking at?" "Where was he throwing that ball?"
--Second, they start taking a lot of sacks because they aren't sure of what they are seeing and throwing picks is a HUGE negative w/the media and fans. Teammates and coaches don't like it either, but coaches and offensive linemen hate when they take the blame for the QB getting sacked too much because the latter held the ball too long. The Browns have had plenty of those guys, such as Timid, Frye, BQ [to a certain extent], Weeden [OMG], McCown, Davis, and Manziel.
--Next, QBs who can't read post-snap cover...ooppps...defenses, tend to check down a lot after their coaches and teammates start riding their ass. 3 and 10? Throw a 2 yard pass leading a guy out of bounds. Timid was the master of that. First look isn't open, check down immediately. Weeden anyone? Don't like what you see........heave it out of bounds. BQ did that often and who was that other guy.....oh yeah........Seneca Wallace. Anyone remember all his passes that sailed out of bounds?
Tulsa, the thing w/reading defenses post-snap is that you really have a hard time coaching that up. It's about processing speed. Seeing what is really there. The game is so fast. Guys like you and I would see only a blur. Even the terrible qbs are so much better at it than the rest of the population. It's an innate gift.
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Quote: Hi Vers (I read a lot on the board and don't jump in much) - Question for you on this, if you don't mind. I was reading this article Brady Release after your post as it got me to think just how much time a QB has to make that post-snap read. When you say Defenses change looks post snap, how much of the pre-snap read will still be accurate? Also, will Offense scheme dictate this more than defense? Can the Offense scheme around this to help RGIII out?
Hey Traveler.
I probably worded that poorly. Teams don't always change their looks post-snap. I don't even know the percentage of times they do. I used the word often, but that may not be the case. I wasn't trying to deceive anyone; just typing fast.
The point I was making that guys who struggle w/reading defenses post-snap will face big-time issues when teams do change their initial look or when guys come out of their designed coverage because they see something. They also struggle w/anticipation.
The pre-snap read is often accurate. But it won't be if the team switches their coverage up from ....let's say.... a Cover 2 to a Cover 3. Thus, the QB...and actually the rest of the offense, has to decipher that instantly. It's tough, man. Here is a fairly simplistic video of what what the qb and offense should do: https://realfootballnetwork.com/2015/08/16/pre-snap-post-snap-reads/
Can you imagine doing that instantly? It's tough to make reads while you are on the move and facing pressure. It's a true gift.
LOL.........it's a lot to digest, isn't it. That isn't even Cover 0, Cover 1, Cover 3, Cover 6, etc
I found your article interesting because when comparing Brady vs Manning over the years, I always thought that Manning was the master of the pre-snap read while Brady was the master of the post-snap read. It's funny they didn't even mention Brady's post-snap reads in that article.
Hmmmmm........what else did you ask me? Oh yeah, does the offense dictate this more than the defense? Not sure I understand the question. The defense will change their looks to confuse the QB and the offense. It would be up to the offense to adjust to the change. Maybe I misunderstood your question, though.
And the other one...Can the offense scheme to help RGIII out? Well, as you know, a lot of collegiate offenses give the qb one read. That's why it's so tough for NFL scouts to determine if college qbs can make it in the NFL. It's not that they can say "so and so can't read coverages," it's just that they don't know because many college offenses don't ask the qb to go through progressions.
That won't happen in the NFL, but I know that sometimes NFL teams will limit the number of reads a qb has to make. Here is an example that you might remember. Browns were playing Denver in a night game in Cleveland. It was BQ's first start. They only had him read half the field on each play, thereby making it simpler for him to make his reads. I think teams will shorten the route trees at times and then throw a few deep plays scattered in throughout the game to help keep defenses honest. For an example........think Manziel vs Tenn earlier this year. There are probably more examples and maybe some one like Dep or steve can add to these.
Of course, no OC is going to want to limit his repertoire. Defenses do catch-up after studying an offenses tendencies, schemes, etc over the course of 4 weeks or so. That severely hampers your offense and you see teams start off hot and then fizzle as the year progresses. Kinda happened w/the Browns the past two years.
Hope this helps and feel free to ask more questions if I haven't been clear.......which is probably the case.
.............is will he ever be able to read defenses post-snap?
Vers, this is a teaching moment for me. What I mean is that I am not sure what a post-snap read is. I think I understand what a pre-snap read is because the QB has to determine what he thinks the defense is going to do, call the right protection, audible if he thinks the O is in the wrong play. But can you explain to me what or how you read post-snap or what the QB is looking for post-snap? Also if I am wrong on the pre-snap read can you tell me where I am wrong so I can try to get the concept? Thanks.
Vers can explain it better than me , but I believe he is talking about when a defense has disguised what scheme it will run on the play. i.e. The safeties appear to be in cover two but the free safety on the snap quickly moves up to run support or to jump an underneath route. Or the corners look to be man to man but bail on the snap to a deep zone for a cover three.
BTW, IMO he is correct in that RG3 biggest weakness is his inability to read post snap or to digest the imformation quick enough to make the pass.
Yeah, the defense can do any number of things to change up their look post snap. The Pats really messed with Peyton Manning's head for a number of years by waiting until the very last second to show what they were really going to do once the ball was snapped. I think that it can be very effective, but the defense has to be sure, on every snap, what they are doing. The risk is that one (or more) defensive player does the wrong thing, as all of the defensive alignments look very similar right up to the snap, and it is a lot more mentally intensive than running specific defenses where the player can look at say "If my keys is this, then I do this ..... and if my key is that, then I do that." (at least IMHO)
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
.............is will he ever be able to read defenses post-snap?
Vers, this is a teaching moment for me. What I mean is that I am not sure what a post-snap read is. I think I understand what a pre-snap read is because the QB has to determine what he thinks the defense is going to do, call the right protection, audible if he thinks the O is in the wrong play. But can you explain to me what or how you read post-snap or what the QB is looking for post-snap? Also if I am wrong on the pre-snap read can you tell me where I am wrong so I can try to get the concept? Thanks.
Vers can explain it better than me , but I believe he is talking about when a defense has disguised what scheme it will run on the play. i.e. The safeties appear to be in cover two but the free safety on the snap quickly moves up to run support or to jump an underneath route. Or the corners look to be man to man but bail on the snap to a deep zone for a cover three.
BTW, IMO he is correct in that RG3 biggest weakness is his inability to read post snap or to digest the imformation quick enough to make the pass.
Thanks Texas. I'm a fairly bright individual (if I do say so myself ), but I don't know that I could do that post-snap thing. I mean if the defense gave a tell away that signified what they were going to do then I would be all over that, but if I'm taking the snap after reading the pre-snap defense I'm not sure if there was no tell what they were doing and make a decision on what I should do with the ball. If you need to do that maybe being a genius isn't as significant for being a great QB then being able to process or anticipate what the defense is going to do post-snap. Thanks again Texas.
I'd like to add a bit if I could because I love talking about the game behind the game.
Just what is the QB reading?
Pre-snap:
The first thing that a QB reads is the number of guys in the box. The box is usually defined as an imaginary box between the tackles that extends about 5 yards past the line of scrimmage. This is the run/pass read. Rules vary in different offensive schemes, but basically if a defense has 6 or fewer players in the box your offense has an advantage running the ball. If it has 7 or more you should have the advantage throwing the ball.
Next thing is usually figuring out the Mike
The Mike isn't necessarily the middle LB on the play. It's the guy the QB wants the o-line to consider as the MLB on the play. The blocking scheme will be based off this.
The next read is either looking at the free safety or the CB's. This will depend on the defense that you are facing and what their tendencies are.
CB's: If the corners are lined up close to the WR on the line of scrimmage they are probably in Man coverage. Another sign of this is if the CB is slightly to the inside of the WR, he probably does not have safety help. A CB without safety help wants to force the WR to keep toward the sideline and use the sideline as an extra defender. A CB with safety help wants to do the opposite and line-up slightly outside the WR and force him inside where he has safety help. You are also looking for clues that they may be trying to disguise their coverage by purposely lining up differently. I'll get into that more later but an easy clue is that if a CB's backs are pointed to the sidelines it is probably zone coverage and if their backs are pointed toward the endzone, it is probably man coverage. So let's say that the CB is giving you a clue that it is man coverage, but he is lined up 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. That might mean that he is concerned about your WR's speed and giving him a buffer. You might want to throw a quick pass to that WR especially if you see pressure in the box. On the other hand if you read zone, but the CB is up close to the line of scrimmage, it's a tell that he is only responsible for the flat zone and a Safety must be responsible for the deep zone on that side.
FS: In about half of the defensive coverages a Free Safety is going to be in "over the top coverage" where he'll usually start in the deep middle of the field. The other half of the time he'll be positioned at the same depth or a little shallower closer to one of the hash marks. An exception is if you see a low FS that's in or just to the right or the left of the box. He could be blitzing, but this isn't really common for defenses and more likely he has man coverage, usually on the TE. A QB should look to the SS in this situation because more often than not, he is usually the one blitzing. The potential for a long pass to the deep middle is there with the right audible.
Okay before we talk about post snap reads, one more word about those clues that I talked about earlier. This is where game film comes in and why QB's like Peyton Manning are so much better at this than other QB's. Despite a players best intentions to disguise a play, he is only human and usually his body language will give the play away. QB's will study all the DB's for clues in their stance and where their eyes are looking pre-snap. He'll also study what the DB does post snap when switching from the "sugar" or fake defense to the defense that they are actually running. This is often times the first thing that the QB is looking for in his post snap reads. Once the ball is snapped defenders focus on their jobs and forget about trickery.
Post snap reads:
There are only 2 steps to this.
The first step is to figure out if you were right about the coverage.
The second step is to go through your read progression based off what the defense is giving you.
The better off that you are on your pre-snap reads, the easier it makes your post snap reads.
There is a ton more to this than the simple explanation that I gave, but it gives you the idea I think.
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), but I don't know that I could do that post-snap thing. I mean if the defense gave a tell away that signified what they were going to do then I would be all over that, but if I'm taking the snap after reading the pre-snap defense I'm not sure if there was no tell what they were doing and make a decision on what I should do with the ball. If you need to do that maybe being a genius isn't as significant for being a great QB then being able to process or anticipate what the defense is going to do post-snap. Thanks again Texas.