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Wow, the dem's must not like Bernie, seeing as they left him off the ballot in DC. (read the article, the video has nothing to do with it.)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/...-paperwork.html

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
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Wow, the dem's must not like Bernie, seeing as they left him off the ballot in DC. (read the article, the video has nothing to do with it.)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/...-paperwork.html


I think this will get fixed but I've been trying to tell you guys he's had to beat the DNC, the Dem establishment and Hillary! Just another dirty trick IMHO.

Arizona should be investigated. That was rigged as hell. Several other things have happened that are fishy like this, I'll see if I can find the list and post.

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Arne Duncan comes from the world of charter schools. He demonizes traditional American public education any chance he gets. Linda Darling-Hamilton was the better pick, but Obama went with someone from Chicago.

Duncan's far from traditional. He's a huge reason for the test and punish approach towards teachers.

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You'd think if you were applying for the highest office in the land you might do a little research on your positions and know them in advance of going on camera and answering questions about them. Then you have Trump. He likes to think he's smarter than everyone else in the room and does this all on the fly.

Now he has done something I didn't think was possible, he managed to piss off both the pro life people and the pro abort people with one statement.

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GREEN BAY, Wisconsin — After saying on Wednesday that he believes there should be punishment for women who undergo abortions if the procedure was outlawed, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump walked back the comment hours later.

In an exclusive interview with MSNBC's Chris Matthews, the GOP front-runner described himself multiple times as "pro-life" but struggled to define what the legal ramifications of that position should be. When continually pressed for what the answer is regarding punishing women who would break any theoretical ban, Trump said the "answer is that there has to be some form of punishment, yeah."

Later in the day, his campaign released a statement refocusing who would be punished should abortion become illegal. "If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman," the statement said. "The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed — like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions."

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Not even crazy assed Michelle Bachman would suggest the women who has an abortion should be legally punished.


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Hillary is dodging a debate in New York (worried about Sanders) and turning towards the general with an attack ad on Trump. All the talking heads think it's a good move, I bet it bites her in the bottom side.

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Hillary is dodging a debate in New York (worried about Sanders) and turning towards the general with an attack ad on Trump. All the talking heads think it's a good move, I bet it bites her in the bottom side.


Just the thought of biting Hillary on the butt is...

She believes the fix is in and she will be biting Bernie no matter what happens.

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Wow, the dem's must not like Bernie, seeing as they left him off the ballot in DC. (read the article, the video has nothing to do with it.)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/...-paperwork.html


I think this will get fixed but I've been trying to tell you guys he's had to beat the DNC, the Dem establishment and Hillary! Just another dirty trick IMHO.


I certainly HOPE it gets fixed. If not, geesh, wanna talk about rigged?

As for him (Sanders) having to beat the dnc, the dem. establishment, and hillary - well, that could be true.

Reminds me of Trump. He's having to beat the other GOP contenders, the GOP itself, the GOP establishment, and pretty much all of the media.

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The dems don't like Bernie because he's a threat, he's not going to play by their rules. The GOP doesn't like Trump for the same reason. The difference is Trump just makes it so much easier to attack him because of the stupid crap that comes out of his mouth while Bernie looks and acts like a cross between your grandfather and your high school science teacher which makes it much harder to publicly go after him, so they have to be more subtle.


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I think I agree with you.

Which leads me to this; If the "establishment" (of either party) is afraid of Trump OR Bernie, maybe that's a good thing for the country if we somehow want to start to change. ??

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
I think I agree with you.

Which leads me to this; If the "establishment" (of either party) is afraid of Trump OR Bernie, maybe that's a good thing for the country if we somehow want to start to change. ??


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Hillary probably promised Trump a position in Gitmo if he ran.


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Change would be a good thing if the candidate in question were capable of the job. If they could be taken seriously. If they didn't change their view of an important subject like abortion in four hours.

But change just for the sake of change, no matter the outcome, doesn't make sense.


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Bernie 2016!


He is so old! Are you sure you didn't mean Bernie 1941-2016?

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Change would be a good thing if the candidate in question were capable of the job. If they could be taken seriously. If they didn't change their view of an important subject like abortion in four hours.

But change just for the sake of change, no matter the outcome, doesn't make sense.


Agreed. I don't see "sticking with the same old same old" as a positive either, though. You know the saying: If you want different results, you can't keep doing the same thing."

I see hillary as that type of candidate. Plus, it's been obvious since she first became a politician (and even before) that she's out for HER, damn anyone that gets in her way.

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You won't get an argument from me about that.

And there in lies the problem. Will we actually have a candidate worth voting for at all? I mean what if we had an election and nobody came?


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You'd think if you were applying for the highest office in the land you might do a little research on your positions and know them in advance of going on camera and answering questions about them. Then you have Trump. He likes to think he's smarter than everyone else in the room and does this all on the fly.


A trait that was evident/obvious from Day One... and why I've been so surprised at the number of people who have taken him seriously all this time.

My hypothesis regarding Donald Trump: his outsized ego prompted him to join this race, thinking he could move the needle in national politics. Fully expecting to land in 2nd or 3rd place by the RNC convention, he found himself in over his head. (Talk about an "oh, crap" moment....)

After this revelation, his ego once again took over- and he said, "Why not? In for a penny, in for a pound."

This is no way to prepare for a run at the most powerful position on the planet.

I think I understand the appeal of a 'Washington outsider,' but there is a HUGE downside to it, as well... and we're seeing it (in spades) with Trump's repeated gaffes and (pseudo) walk-backs.

I also think that Trump's dominance during the primaries is an aberration... and that should he actually gain the nomination, the vast majority of America's voters will opt for ANYONE else. Yes, even Billary Clinton- because the alternative is simply too preposterous and risky to seriously consider.

I predict this, as well: should Trump eventually become the nominee, he'll suffer a level of crushing defeat commensurate only with his self-image.

Wouldn't bother me in the slightest... and my opinion isn't based on politics at all. I'll freely admit that I've never liked the guy. From the moment I saw him in the mid-eighties, he's always made my skin crawl. First impression, from way back then: "This dude is that loudmouth know-it-all who ruins every dinner party that ever invites him." It's been 30 years of face time for this guy, and he's still the same one-trick pony he was when I first laid eyes on him.

Pops taught me how to take the measure of a person long time ago. Glad he did, too... keeps me from being the kind of person P.T. Barnum talked about when he said: "There's a sucker born every minute."

So... before I hear from my good friend 40, let me say this:

"I ain't sitting on a fence with this one."
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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
I think I agree with you.

Which leads me to this; If the "establishment" (of either party) is afraid of Trump OR Bernie, maybe that's a good thing for the country if we somehow want to start to change. ??


And it won't happen in this election cycle... but it WILL happen. Won't be Bernie, won't be Trump, but this country is ripe for a major shake-up. "D.C. business as usual" is about to go on life support... and I'm curious to see who will step up and make it happen in 2020.


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Why wait til 2020? Why not start now? If hillary gets elected, the status quo will stay, she'll become even richer, and run again in 2020.

Best time to start change is now. (in general, not just politics).

On the D side, I'd much rather see Bernie than Hillary - for 3 reasons, only 1 of which should matter to anyone else: Bernie won't get 1/10 of his stuff through congress. (the other 2 reasons are: I can't stand Hillary's laugh, and 3. She appears to wear clothing that reminds me of kim il sun, kim jong il, etc. See, these last 2 are just personal biases, I know)

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Why wait is right. Why not elect change now, it will at least start the engine. If the person elected doesn't suit us, we throw them out after 4 years and go with a new champion.

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Hope you aren't making predictions again


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It's not a matter of waiting.
It's a matter of momentum and inertia.

The first efforts almost never get instant results.

In this case, The Establishment still has too much control over Wash DC. You see it already, with Bernie and Trump being resisted by BOTH status quo parties. It will take another sweeping mid-term like 2010... so that The People get a foothold and voice on The Hill. Then, a new kind of Pres can/will be elected.

It will work this time... but this time could very well be the last time.


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It's not a matter of waiting.
It's a matter of momentum and inertia.



Hillary becoming President does not look like either to me.

Bernie, Cruz and Trump equals Change. Build on it.

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And it will be built, with more grassroots momentum. 4 more years of what we've seen will just about do it nationwide. Too many folks are still asleep.

Billary takes us to that true 'tipping point.'

The "Big Change" will happen when one person can coalesce the anger. Bernie Trump and Cruz 'split the ticket' too much right now. Each of their constituents see the other angry Americans as The Enemy.


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What I see is people agreeing with any kind of change no matter the qualifications or implications. I believe a change is needed. But I'm not desperate enough to just install anyone no matter who to enable a change. There must be a threshold of competence involved with such a decision.


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Bernie, Cruz and Trump equals Change. Build on it.


And it will be built, with more grassroots momentum. 4 more years of what we've seen will just about do it nationwide. Too many folks are still asleep.

Billary takes us to that true 'tipping point.'

The "Big Change" will happen when one person can coalesce the anger. Bernie Trump and Cruz 'split the ticket' too much right now. Each of their constituents see the other angry Americans as The Enemy.


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Trump is winning over many Republicans and surprisingly he is bringing in millions of unhappy Democrats as well. This to me is an excellent starting point if he makes it.

Trump is not Conservative enough for me, he is (one of them) on many issues. I realize I will not be getting everything I want in the Donald but I am willing to sacrifice for a guy who has shown he can work with all people. He can not and will not work for anyone who is a threat or user or anti American. I can dig that too.

America needs change and American's need to put the establishment, the Fat Cat Bankers and the corrupt political system in its place! Trump is not in anyone's pockets and if I don't think he is serving us well as President, in 4 years, I too will kick him to the curb.

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What I see is people agreeing with any kind of change no matter the qualifications or implications. I believe a change is needed. But I'm not desperate enough to just install anyone no matter who to enable a change. There must be a threshold of competence involved with such a decision.


I almost think that it will take an imbecile like Trump getting elected to force the establishment to realize that their party first, power mongering politics will no longer be tolerated. The current system is a frickin' joke that won't fix anything.


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That should scare us to our boots.
How much damage can someone like Trump do in 4 years?


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How much damage can someone like Trump do in 4 years?


Obama couldn't destroy the Country in 8, hard as he tried.

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Obama has made our country great again.


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Obama has made our country great again.


Just finished a big one, huh?


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My biggest hope is Trump gets elected and turns out to be everything Clem and Swish fear he will be AND THEN WE ELECT HIM TO A SECOND TERM!!!
rofl rofl brownie rofl

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My biggest hope is Trump gets elected and turns out to be everything Clem and Swish fear he will be AND THEN WE ELECT HIM TO A SECOND TERM!!!
rofl rofl brownie rofl


To Quote our mutual good friend Tulsa:

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Bernie 2016!


He is so old! Are you sure you didn't mean Bernie 1941-2016?


Actually, he is only 5 years older than Trump and 6 years older than Clinton.

But, I agree...he looks considerably older. But, then again...he doesn't spray tan himself, bleach his teeth nor wear a toupee. Given Trump's inflated ego I am sure he has also gone under the knife and or had botox.

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Originally Posted By: Swish
Obama has made our country great again.


I agree.

What amazingly short memory spans we have. He inherited the country as it was nosediving into the worst economic downturn since the depression. No, it was not Obama who started it...it began during Bush's tenure. Deep divisions between conservatives/liberals/red/blue also reared their ugly head again during Bush's presidency. Remember Florida and the chads? And I once (naively) believed rigged elections could only happen in a military controlled place like Mugabe's Zimbabwe. Surely not here in the USA, right? Hmmm....

Bush also took us to Iraq and spent billions and spilled blood on false pretenses. Afghanistan had to happen...but, Iraq was a total waste of lives and money. It has also opened up the can of worms in the form of ISIS that we are now dealing with today. Before we went to Iraq there were many senior people and scholars who advised and warned against going into Iraq. Many feared if we went in it could risk a much worse conflict than leaving Iraq alone with Hussein in control. Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Powell, Blair all refused to listen, however, and now look where we are. At least Powell had the courtesy to resign. For that, I guess, he deserves some respect.

So yes, I think given the political and social circumstances and a Congress that has done everything they can to get in the way of his presidency....Obama has done very well and I salute him.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
My biggest hope is Trump gets elected and turns out to be everything Clem and Swish fear he will be AND THEN WE ELECT HIM TO A SECOND TERM!!!
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40, is this you?



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I think you meant to post this. 40 is Dan Fanelli.


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Here is how the right sees the left, plain and simple.

40, this is for you man, enjoy.


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Obama has made our country great again.


Just finished a big one, huh?


By no means am I a political expert, but wouldn't you say 8 years of Obama was better than 8 years of GW? I could very well be blinded by my left leaning, but I'd love to sit down and have a chat with an unbiased political expert.


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