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You two need to quit drinking the Kool-aid! You keep buying into lie after lie after lie. You remind me of mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed bull crap. Open your minds and hearts, crawl out from under your rocks and let some light shine in!

LOL

Bernie isn't after your LITTLE money, he's after that big guy's (growin' the mushrooms) money. WAKE UP! You want to blame Bernie for taking something from you... what has he ever taken from you or anyone? But hey, if you are told to fear something you do, just like sheep. scurry away now.

Lie after lie? You can read it all right here right from the rapists mouth.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

Rapists? Really? Please take your medication and get back to me when it has had time to kick in...

Have you even read this link? Where do you see the middle class being affected? Unless your idea of the middle class is 250k+ I don't see it. In fact, I see a lot of stuff in his proposal that aims to HELP the middle class, the working class and the poor.

And what a horrible, disgusting choice of word you have used. I mean, really? That's a new low.

I wouldn't fall into the trap of painting anyone making $250k/yr as the enemy. Yes it's substantially more than what most make, but even at $250k/yr, you aren't able to influence politics. The Donor class makes up less than 1/4 of the top 1% in this country, and those are the ones we need to be wary of. The Donor class wants cheap immigrant labor, wage stagnation, as many H1B visas as it can muster, and would rather ignore our working class areas in favor of the rest of the world because they are 'emerging markets.' They want damaging trade deals so they can continue to build wealth globally. They want war in the middle east so they can profit off of it.

So the next time you see the SBO in a Mercedes S550 pull up into his 1mUSD house, realize that for as good as they have it, they aren't a part of the group we need to really worry about. Most of your SBO's in your area want to improve your area. The donor class would rather that places like Ohio and Michigan be eliminated just so they don't have to pay lip service to us.

Nobody is saying 250K makes you a 1%er. But Bernie's policies will increase your taxes in the 250K plus range, however most people who consider themselves middle class don't make 250K per year. That is all he is saying. I would call 250K yr upper middle class myself.

Perfectly said gage - I've been harping on this every time that link shows up. The real problem isn't the 1% even - it is the .01%. It is just easy to pile on the 1%, or even the 10% for that matter.

Seriously dude?

For real? Who drives around in a 550? Ask Columbus, it's all about that BMW M5

Couldn't have said it better

And the democratic party has done a very good job of making its rank and file voters believe that the rich the enemy.. who is the rich? Anybody who makes more than you do.

Apparently you are the one who can't bother to read. #2, #5, and the last one all effect EVERYONE in a MULTITUDE OF WAYS.

Also, Bernie has written an essay about how women fantasize about being gang raped, and how men fantasize about assaulting women.So the pervert has earned the name rapist. Sorry if you can't handle it.

I have a question:

How do you think that a drastically increased minimum wage combined with an additional 6.2% (IIRC) tax on all employers, would impact employment and prices?

We have seen a dramatic change in employment in this country, where part time jobs are on the rise, especially among more entry level and unskilled type employment, while fill time positions are on the wane. Imagine what additional taxes on employers will do to employment.

So how do you think employment will be impacted by Sanders' proposals?

If you assume that all of this will happen in a vacuum, that industry will not leave, that the wealthy will not find a better way to hide their money and/or just take it elsewhere.. then yep, this is a damn utopia. I'm sure those evil rich guys will work just as hard so they can write bigger and bigger checks to the government.


I see a lot of give-aways, freebies, and guarantees... what I don't see is the elimination of Bill Clinton's NAFTA or any of the stuff that has driven jobs overseas for decades.. what I see is a severe punishment to those who decided to stay.

I believe it was OldColdDawg who referenced drinking the kool-aid a few posts ago.. so if you think that business will not respond to these in a way to protect themselves, if you believe all of this will just occur in a vacuum with no response, and if you believe any of those numbers will actually work out to be correct... then the right is not the only ones with a kool-aid issue.

If the law of unintended consequences isn't the FIRST thing to pop into your head when you hear one of Bernie's great utopia-creating proposals, then you have your head in the sand.

That's not true anymore. Full time employment is once again on the rise and part time employment is in decline.

http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Full-Time-vs-Part-Time-Employment

I'm more of an Audi guy, so I'll go with the S8

Yet the article you posted is titled:

Ratio of Part-Time Employed Remains Higher Than the Pre-Recession Levels

Let's take a close look at Friday's employment report numbers on Full and Part-Time Employment. Buried near the bottom of Table A-9 of the government's Employment Situation Summary are the numbers for Full- and Part-Time Workers, with 35-or-more hours as the arbitrary divide between the two categories. The source is the monthly Current Population Survey (CPS) of households. The focus is on total hours worked regardless of whether the hours are from a single or multiple jobs.

Yet the trend is now moving in the opposite direction than what you alluded to. Just saying.

Because they count the guy who works 2 part time jobs that equal full time hours when added together as 1 full time employed.

Who's ideas sound better? Trumps?

The Labor Department has been collecting this data since 1968. The trend is now opposite as you alluded. Just saying.

glug glug glug... more Kool-aid! This thinking is a fiction propaganda put out by the right. Dems don't even hate the rich, they hate the system for what it has done to the middle class. There are tons and tons of rich, even .01% DEMS. smh

You can put 1000 more laughing emojis in your post if it makes you feel better... the fact that Trump has a number of stupid ideas doesn't make some of Bernie's ideas any less stupid.

And just because you think I like my kool-aid in cherry doesn't mean that you are smarter because you prefer your kool-aid in lime.

Democrats: The Real Party Of The Rich

Free Speech: Right after the Supreme Court’s decision to lift limits on campaign contributions, Democrats and their left-wing supporters assaulted the decision as a boon to Republicans, “the party of the rich.”

This of course is part of a far-wider narrative — slavishly repeated by largely unquestioning liberal media — that the GOP outspends Democrats on campaigns thanks to big-buck donors like the billionaire Koch brothers.


But, as it turns out, that’s a lie — as big a lie, in fact, as “you can keep your insurance,” “you can keep your doctor” and “ObamaCare will bend the cost curve down.”


By almost every measure, in fact, it’s the Democrats, not the Republicans, who are the party of the rich.


Start with Congress itself. Who are the wealthiest members? Well, there are 269 millionaires among Congress’ 535 members. And most of them are Democrats.


And contrary to the hand-wringing on the left about the Supreme Court’s 5-4 McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission ruling Wednesday, Democrats far outspend Republicans on elections. It isn’t even close.


According to OpenSecrets.org, from 1989 to 2014 rich donors gave Democrats $1.15 billion — $416 million more than the $736 million given to the GOP. Among the top 10 donors to both parties, Democrat supporters outspent Republican supporters 2-to-1.


But what about the villainous Koch brothers, those conservative plutocrats supposedly seeking to control American politics? They rank 59th on the list of big givers — behind 18 unions and No. 1 Act Blue, the massive left-wing fund raiser that gives only to Democrats.


Indeed, a recent book, “The New Leviathan,” says donations to Democrats outstrip those to Republicans 7-to-1. How can this be? Democrat support soars when you include unions, universities, superPACs, nonprofits, left-wing interest groups, and — ready for this? — Wall Street (which overwhelmingly favors Democrats).


So Democrats don’t really want to restrain money in politics. Just the money that goes to Republicans.


Voters need to stop listening to the lies. Since 2008, the number of people who call themselves middle class has plunged from 53% to 44%, according to a new survey by the Pew Research Center.


And, by President Obama’s own admission, his party’s control of Congress and the White House has led to 95% of all income gains going to the top 1% in income.


So please, enough of this about Democrats being the party of the little guy.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/democrat-political-donations-outstrip-republicans/

What? An M5 doesn't even cost $100k. I might as well be driving a Camry./sarcasm

In all seriousness though, I've always considered MB's a cut above BMW in the "status" department. A BMW is what the middle manager drives, a CEO is more likely to drive the MB. At least that's how it comes off to me. Like a Buick is to a Cadillac...

Or if you own multiple businesses, you drive a Ferrari.

Yep...sounds about right... 8% to the poverty class during the great recession. Thanks to the banks to big to fail who were bailed out by the middle class.

What gets me is the left media mentions Trumps name thousands of times a day giving him free air time. Then, to top it off, they suggest why he is an unfit candidate and play right into the hands of Trump supporters who want ANYONE other than someone who the establishment considers "fit" for a presidential candidate.

The media is being played by the conservative voter as of now, and they don't even know it. Funny to watch but frightening for our country. Going to be interesting.

I disagree.

The Press would love to have Trump as the Republican nominee. Think of the Ratings! Think of the Gotcha Moments! Imagine the shows trying to trip him up and stop him! WHAT A STORY!!!
The Press is convinced Hillary will beat Trump too, and that is what they want.

Now imagine Cruz vs Hillary...

ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz....

Interesting thought. Then why are they continuously offering up reasons why he is unfit, childlike, vernacularly challenged and unfit? Operative word in my statement was the "left".

Your thought has some credibility but I respectfully stick to my thought on this.

Let us not forget, the media have children and families as well. It's not just about their job.

I believe it was Les Moonves, CEO of CBS, that said, "Trump would be horrible for America, but great for CBS." (paraphrased)

He knows how much money there is to be made by having Trump stick around as long as possible.

It's the old Howard Stern syndrome, those that really liked him listened about 2 hours a day, those who hated him listened 3 1/2 hours a day just so they could have ammunition to hate him.... the same thing applies to Trump, those who hate him just can't get enough of hating him. Internet, late night talk shows, 24 hour news.. it's like a fixation, they will watch and watch and watch, thus driving up ratings, just to fuel their hatred for him.

NO! Must-Change-Mind!

In the beginning they attacked Trump to kill him but it backfired as people hate the Press and turned to Trump.

After the Press saw the Ratings from anything Trump, including the debates, their eyes were opened!

Now they tell America to hate Trump but instead America says up yours!

When Der Führer is attacked, we oh ugh ugh.....

When Trump is attacked, America gathers at his side!!!

There is a facebook picture out there of a woman holding a sign bemoaning he college tuition debt (sorry I don't know how to post the pic). It says:

Student loan paid faithfully for 23 years
Borrowed $26,400
Paid $32,700
Still owe $ 45,276.63
Education used to be a pathway out of poverty
a road to success. Now it's a highway to a lifetime of oppressive debt.


Doing the math, she has repaid on average $1421.74/year
That's $118.48 a month.
Hardly oppressive.
Seriously? No wonder it isn't paid off.
If she just paid $200/month that would be over an additional $25,000
She doesn't state her interest rate but I would bet that loan would have be paid off long ago.

NO! Stop thinking with your head and think with your feelings like she does!

It amazes me that people are so scared of affordable health care and affordable education. If it means more can be educated and insured and not worry about serious debt HOW is that bad? Are you really going to arrogantly tell Canada, Europe, Australia and NZ that they have it completely wrong (in particular Scandinavia as Sanders vision probably resembles them the closest)? My guess is they all look at the USA with the 30k shootings, outrageous college and health care costs and just scratch their heads and LAUGH. But, hey....that's ok, we have Trump and Cruz!

Spin Spin Spin when you get called out.

Are you Bernie Sanders?