DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns cut Donte Whitner

Well, if you consider those in our FO as any way comparable to God, you have a point.

You belittle people and then become offended if people reply to your attack? And then make it even more personal?

Take the burr out of your butt, son.

Well said.

You should check out a mirror sometime.

Sadly, there never was a base to begin with. The team was a poorly constructed mishmash of players.

This is a 3-4 year process that will require hitting on our top draft picks and equally as important, Haslam having the patience to see this through when fans and he become impatient after the next couple seasons that will very likely be losing seasons. I think Dee's role will be important in righting the ship. I expect her to keep Jimmy in check.

Nor are the Haslams forcing anyone to buy tickets. It's a simple concept, you aren't satisfied with the product, don't buy it.

From a logistics point this front office is being flat out reckless. There are not enough picks to completely rebuild this team in one season. You can't create such a huge vacuum of players and expect a good result. Donte was ONLY 30. He still has a year at least in him. They should have kept him while they in other positions that have a much higher and more desperate need. Cutting players just because of age is just not logical when you don't have enough ways to replace all your needs and then add another need.

Well its ok we can just do something else on Sundays right? I mean last season was so bad I could barely stomach watching the game until half time most of the time and ended up being pissed I wasted that much time on it.

I think Jimmy is just trying to kill off the fan base so he can move the team to make a big profit. He must figure if he makes the Brown so bad we can't stand it we won't fight it this time. I mean hell last time they stole a super bowl bound team from us. This time we would just be losing pain and suffering.

They better show some promise early on this season or I won't spend another dime till I see some results. I see a lot of fishing and hunting in my future though =)

Who said they were going to be able to completely rebuild this team in one off season? This is more likely a 3-4 year process.

The other notion is silly. Haslam bought the franchise in Aug. 2012 for $1B. Just 3.5 years later the Browns are worth $1.5B. That's a $500M increase. The Haslams are making a killing right here in Cleveland.

I disagree. I think they know exactly what they want to do. Big argument is are they correct in what they are doing.

Bad or good the Harvard Boys put a plan together and executing it. From what everyone is stating, it is a little unorthodox.

There is not much anyone can do except sit back see how it plays or complain bitterly until favorable results. Obviously which every direction one chooses there is no right or wrong path. It is a wait and see.

Every team has holes.

Some teams just have a few positions that allow them to get by with having said holes.

They are just tearing down too fast. It might be a 5 year project but you don't try to do it all at once. You do 3-4 players a year that you can hopefully replace with your first and second day pics in the draft. 3rd day pics are a crapshoot at best so if they are relying on those to fill a roster then they are fools.

Both Hue Jackson and Sashi Brown have said that Joe Thomas will be on the team next year. That would be a cruel joke to play on the fans.

Whitner may be only thirty, but he will not be on the team the "next" time we are good. The goal is to find young guys who are good and develop them.

I honestly dont believe Whitner was bad last year, I just dont think he was good either and I thought the times when Cambpell was in the game, he looked more instinctive. I think the Browns wanted to play the young guy that showed a real good instinct and can be here another 8-10 years over the guy who is winding down his career.

Again and I hate repeating while we did nothing to improve the talent of our team, we didnt really hurt it a great deal either. the secondary needs an overhaul.

right now the only guy i really like in our secondary is k1 Williams in the slot and Campbell at safety. I would move Gilbert to FS. Truman williams gets a taxi out of town and I would sit down with Joe haden and see if he wants to play football or not. read the man not the words. I havent seen the desire from him to be a good football player in some time.

I thought Campbell showed some promise as a SS ... good tackler.

I don't trust Poyer outside of a backup/ST role player

We signed Rahim Moore. I would guess that he is our starting free safety.

I'm convinced this FO would let a HOF QB walk just because they don't want to pay him.

I wonder how many college kids are praying they don't get drafted by the Browns.

Broken down Peyton Manning Hall of Fame QB or present day Aaron Rodgers Hall of Fame QB?

No team let's average starting QBs walk, let alone Hall of Fame caliber. I think you are dead wrong on this one.

As for how many college kids don't want to get drafted by the Browns? Probably some. But there are those every year for every team.

1 or 2 at most. only because they may be represented by an agent that doesnt want to deal with our FO.

Yes that's what I'd like to know, too

Yeah and he's not MUCH more reliable. Does have some experience, but he was exposed in Houston IIRC

All tickets to Browns games this year will be 5 dollars and include a Hot Dog and a Beer.

Sorry, I didn't mean to insinuate that Moore is good, just that he is the likely starter at this point.

Here is a simple question. Are you going to buy tickets?

They also said they wanted to keep guys like Mack, Schwartz, and Gipson.

How did that turn out?

Fixed it for you.

Haslam has said it will be a multi-year rebuild.

I think Haslam is a related to PT Barnum, who once said: There is an ass for every seat in the house.

It seems to me that have he has plenty of asses for his seats.

Make promises. Do the opposite and blow it up.

Make marketing the focus.

Make a new plan w/new promises. Blow it up again.

Continue w/marketing as the focus.

Cut salary. Blow things up again.

Focus on marketing.

Blow things up again and make a grand, new plan that will buy time.

Cut salary. Focus on marketing.

Haslam looks at Brown's fans and pictures fish lips.

K

No, I do not have plans to purchase any tickets. Nor have I in the past 3-4 years.

Not because I don't believe in what the team is doing, going to a game just isn't worth my entertainment dollar.

Currently, I tend to spend my sports entertainment dollars on going to Cavs games. It's a fun atmosphere and my kids really enjoy going. I've purchased a half season ticket package to the Tribe because I enjoy going up to the ballpark and the family has a good time.

Yeah, that's what I thought. LOL

I'll probably get a ticket for whatever games fall around Christmas or New Years depending if I'm in town. Haven't had a chance to go to a game in a few years.

How many games have you physically attended over the past 3-4 years?

I didn't go at all last year.

It makes you 'Lol' that I don't see an entertainment value in purchasing a Browns ticket, while pointing out that people aren't obligated to purchase tickets at the prices the Haslams have set?

Confusing, if not very bizarre.

I know the Browns have ruined many Christmastime parties/family gatherings over the past two decades. It seems like they're a complete joke by that point in the year

I will take the blame in that I wasn't clear enough.

There are people who have season tickets. It's very expensive. They don't have the opportunity to make a choice of not purchasing a ticket to one or two games or just not attending a game that particular year.

They are either all in or completely out.

The problem occurs w/guys like me who held on to season tickets and PSL's for years in the hopes of passing them down to our children.

It's a tough pill to swallow when you have to pay premium prices for a team that will not even be competitive and who keeps making the same stupid mistakes over and over and over again.

When I was complaining about the previous regime, do you know how many people told me we needed continuity? Now, those people are bad-mouthing the previous guys. LOL

Meanwhile, their guppy lips are still sucking in all the excrement that Haslam and Sashi are discharging.

I had season tickets since 1981. I gave them up two years ago and haven't been to a game since. Nor, will I go to another game until they stop w/their BS!

No, that isn't why I laughed.

I laughed because it is pretty easy for someone who doesn't go to the games to act like the price of tickets is not important.

I don't agree w/you, but you present your argument respectfully and logically.

We disagree, but that's cool.

Those guys were not under contract.

What we did and what the goal is are two different things. Some goals are not achievable under certain circumstances.