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There was a hole where mac played no matter what we did. Farmer burned the bridge with Gipson. Benji who cares. Bad special teamer. Robertson decent nothing special. A lot of this reminds me of Cameron leaving last year and the panic that ensued, well he wasnt that good and most of these guys werent that damn good. Schwartz is still imho the only one that really hurt.

Defense we sucked bad and guys that we brought in to be special and we paid a lot of money to be special werent that damn special. We planted seeds on defense and the seeds just didnt grow. Time to turn the soil add some new seeds.

I respect your football opinions, but I completely disagree w/your takes on Mack. The guy is an outstanding player and his piers know that, even if some on the board do not.

Here is a comment from Joe Thomas:

While Joe Thomas does like fishing, I'm pretty sure you were going for peers, Vers.

Eo, let's let it go. It's easy for all of us to get stuck on things.

Let's try to turn back to football.

Interesting. Seems like many our cool w/losing Mack now.

Here are the poll results that cfrs ran:

No one knows until we see the FINISHED PRODUCT, is that what really counts not that we win in FA?

Sorry.......it's in the K-9 Consensus forum.

My first question on that thread was "can we vote to keep both?"



Yeah, I posted that and Erving is worrisome. A lot of us old-timers remember how bad the Cleveland OLs were.

I know this won't be popular w/the folks who are "positive people," but when you have a team full of needs, why in the heck would you create more needs?

So tell us what exactly could the FO have done to keep Mack if reports are true he wanted out of Cleveland?

And if he and others wanted out of Cleveland how is it the CURRENT FO fault? How did they create the holes?

Those are questions many of us have been waiting pages and pages for to see an answer to...

I have answered those questions several times on various threads. You guys just don't want to hear the answers.

I'm not trying to demean your (and other's) posts, but I'm sure many of us would like to hear the facts from the "horse's mouth", not opinion or speculation...

Wait! Vambo asked me two questions. I ignored them because I've answered them before. Devil asks the questions again, I answer.......and you complain?

Meanwhile, tab fabricates a story. I ask if it was opinion or fact, and you guys rush to defend him and attack me......

Furthermore, in Vambo's questions, he is making claims that are opinionated and fueled by speculation and not from the proverbial "horses mouth."

I love you "positive people."

Interesting, mac. I've never seen this reported previous;y...

Hmmmmmmm........I didn't know that, mac. Thanks for the information.

Who's complaining? I simply and politely (IMO) stated that we would like to know the actual facts, as there has been so much "back-n-forth" on this subject...

Thank you Eo. It's as simple as, Time to Move on.

How do you know that no OL member or OL coach is not dwelling on the loss of Mack? I am NOT saying that they are, but we don't know. So, it might be unwise to act like the fans are wrong for having a concern about the status of the OL.

Ok I posted this article on another thread...but seems like it needs another go around. Mack WANTED out there was no keeping him..

"This is the only life I get to live," Mack said. "Life in football is even shorter. There are decisions that have to be made that are tough, but you only have so much time to play football.

"I felt it was time to experience a new city and team to make the best out of my football career."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2623981-alex-macks-difficult-decision-to-finally-leave-cleveland

full article here^...so can we put this whole Mack thing to bed now? please?

yes sir I did. did you read what Mack the man himself said about leaving?

You do realize that other then the one or two quotes by Mack's agent the rest of the article is supposition by Mary Kay? I'm not saying she is wrong, but I'm not saying she is right either. However, looking at the fact that Mack to a deal with less money to go to Atlanta, it seems to me that he didn't want to be here.

Now you may say it's all about the guaranteed money and you are right. However, we don't know how much money the Browns guaranteed Mack in their contract offer, but we do know that the overall money was more. So based off of all the information currently available and the fact that Mack took a contract for less money, it seems to me that means he did not want to be here regardless of the money (unless it was ridiculous money) the Browns threw at him.

EO that was a really good video. I like Bitonio, he seems real and sincere and didn't try to BS when they asked him questions about the team having an offensive HC vs a defensive HC. It was like "Hey Media People, we've been at this exactly 3 days."

None of us know what happened, what who said or what who really wanted to do. Why are we acting like we do?

Unless Alex Mack or Mitchell Schwartz is your family member or closet, most personal of friends - are we going to continue to be subjected to the opinion packed views or claims? They wanted out, they wanted in but the staff messed it up, the staff didn't want them and etc etc.

Is it just not becoming pointless yet?

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/718464860732932100


Browns are streamlining their personnel department and have let go of six scouts whose contracts were set to expire, per league sources.






3 weeks before the draft. Incoming disaster.

First question, were the scouts above the age of 30?

In all seriousness, another move that just draws more question marks than anything.

Man it would really help if you understood what you are taking all this time and effort to complain about.

We don't lose money that we don't spend this year. It gets added to the money that we have next year.

Would you rather buy a Yugo every year for 3 consecutive years or a Ford Explorer once every 3 Years?

The Raiders are using the same type of plan and now they are spending all that collected money after drafting the right pieces. They are actually looking like a playoff team now.

You complain over and over again like Haslam is there listening and will blow things up yet again before the season even starts this year. He's not going to blow it up now so why not save all that whining until after the season is over. It is doing nobody any good listening to all that incessant rambling before we have even started training camp.

Unless you are trying to make this the longest and most painful season ever.

In that case you are succeeding.

I have no clue if this is good or bad. However, not all the scouts were let go and Farmer had one of the largest staffs in the NFL.

Anyways, I thought the board is supposed to be completed at this time.

So, in May it'll be Haslem, Brown, DePodesta, Berry, Jackson and 9 scouts (instead of 15) in the War Room.