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Ray Lewis Tears into Black Lives Matter for Ignoring ‘Black Men Killing Black Men’

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“The things that’s ran in the newspapers have disturbed me,” the ESPN NFL analyst said in an emotional video posted on his Facebook page on April 2.

He said:

I’m trying to figure out if black lives really matter, then in Chicago alone the murder rate has soared 72 percent in 2016. Eighty-eight percent in the first three months of 2016 compared to last year. I’m trying to ask the question to an organization of black lives, if they really mattered, then why not riot now?


Indeed, as Breitbart News’ Warner Todd Huston reported last week, “According to DNAinfo.com, the first three months of 2016 have seen more shootings than the first three months of any year in over a decade. With 790 shot so far this year, that is over 80 percent higher then the 419 March ended with in 2015.”

In the emotional video posted, Lewis said he is “trying to figure out in [his] mind why no one is paying attention to black men killing black men.”


The 40-year-old former NFL star, who knows a thing or two about violent run-ins himself, castigated Black Lives Matter for protesting and marching in the streets after a black person is killed by law enforcement, while remaining silent as black-on-black murder rates skyrocket.

“Why do we always find ourselves half the victims, and now we have the separation once again that we’re being victimized because of one bad white cop, two bad white cops, three bad white cops, killing a young black brother,” Lewis said. “But every day we have black-on-black crime killing each other. … The March murder rate rose by 29 percent, but we’re not rioting in the streets about black on black killing each other.

If Ray Lewis was white, he'd immediately be labelled a racist.

I don't agree.

The BLM and the rest of the community knows full and well the problem with black on black violence.

The BLM movement is about systemic racism within our country.

There has been countless efforts within our community to try and change the culture within, but whatever goes on in our community isn't an excuse for outside people to be racist dirt bags.

Just like white on white crime doesn't give me justification to discriminate against white people.

Questions about Black on black crime? Go to the "Chicago Shooting" thread to receive a wonderful education on the underlying causes.

Wait. What? How is Ray Lewis, saying what he said, being racist?

Can you point to any part of my post where I said Ray Lewis was racist?

Or can you point to where I disagreed with his take on black on black crimes with relation to the BLM movement.

Stop reading what you want to read.

As somebody who tries to loosely follow many different groups just for the sake of knowledge, I can say that I have never seen anything from Black Lives Matter that gives any credence to the issue of black on black crime.

That whole group is screwed up beyond words. It's like they live in a completely different world than I do. Everywhere they go, inevitably mayhem, violence, and rioting follow. It doesn't help that they are wrong about almost everything. I am hesitant to even link to their site but whatever, people can poke around a bit and make up their minds for themselves.

http://blacklivesmatter.com/about/



There's more where that came from. Here's another doozy:


Imagine if a white rights group called for people to love white, live white, and buy white, ay yi yi

I'm missing the part about black crime but if it exists, it is probably explained away as being the result of a state violence or something of the sort.

Sadly, the face of the BLM movement to most people has become a bunch of unreasonable whiney college kids demanding that they be given a say in how to run the place.

But I do kind of disagree with your assessment. On one hand you are right that black on black crime doesn't give me a free pass to be a racist... on the other hand if you are an inner city cop, can you not at least understand why they approach these people with more fear? Why they might be just a little quicker on the trigger? Why they might use just a little more force in apprehending somebody?

In the end, I feel very bad for the innocent people who are not a part of this violence because they are still the overwhelming majority... but they will be the ones who pay the price for the constant violence that surrounds them. They are the ones who will be looked at with suspicion, they are the ones who will be profiled... and unfortunately, it will be one of them who reaches for his cell phone or his license at the wrong time when the police is trying to talk to him and ends up getting shot.

Look what you just quoted bro....

Look at the first sentence, which starts with"it goes beyond".

They agree that black on black crime is a problem!! All they're saying is they believe the problem is also deeper than that. That there are way more other factors.

Man, y'all dont even read your own links. Y'all read two sentences, nod your head and approval, and post away.

Your question was literally answered in your own link.

That would require looking at poverty, Ray. You grew up in poverty, an absent father, but you had an innate talent of athletic prowess that not everyone in "The Trap" gets born with. This removes you from the world, and ended up with you thrust into super-stardom.

You should know a thing about this, too. Not everyone gets the financial resources of a lawyer to get them off scot free of murdering someone with a knife, and then putting the blame on your friends.

So yes, Black Lives Do Matter when not all can escape The Trap with innate athletic ability.

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What follows "It goes beyond" has almost nothing to do with black on black crime.

It's pretty convienent to sweep black on black crime under a rug.

Nope.

Well, what I can do is point to you insinuating I didn't watch the video you posted. What I can do is point to your question "did you watch the video, or did you just go find some post that disagreed with it. (not an exact quote)

What I can't find is you agreeing with Lewis.


Seems apropos to point that back at you.

Black lives matter, absolutely. You do the math.

I read it and I would say it is unclear at best. It can be interpreted in different ways but suffice it to say that is not the only time I have seen that view espoused from BLM. You're on social media. You know this already. If they don't feel that way, they should make that more clear on the site IMO

Bill Clinton had some words for BLM protesters himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eI6l8wvn2c

"Wait wait wait.... This is what's the matter. I don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13 year old kids hopped up on crack and send them out on the street to murder other African American children. Maybe you thought they were good citizens. She didn't. She didn't. You are defending the people who killed the lives you say matter. Tell the truth. You are defending the people who cause young people to go out and take guns...."

And finally I will leave you with this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn...-ive-ever-seen/

I am not going to transcribe the whole thing but basically it is a video of an off-duty, black Arizona cop sharing his experiences at the Trump rally that was held there. He goes on to say that the Trump followers were almost universally well behaved and the Trump protesters (mostly BLM) were outrageous, hateful, and out of control. I had a friend who attended the rally in Cleveland and her experience was very similar to the officer's in the video (In fairness, I do remember you sharing your experience at the same event and yours was quite different. I'm not really sure what to make of that, I wasn't there and it's hard for me to say).

everybody is going to interpret what they see differently.

That is true. I think it's fair to say that we interpret many of their points differently. While we're at it, what do you think about this snippet from the BLM site?

"How Black queer and trans folks bear a unique burden from a hetero-patriarchal society that disposes of us like garbage and simultaneously fetishizes us and profits off of us, and that is state violence."

I don't even know what to make of it because I have no idea what they are talking about. How am I supposed to interpret that?

lol, well, you gotta read that as if one of the founding members is probably trans or part of the LGBT community.

That read like an individual bulletin instead of a broad idea from the movement.

They have 7 major points in their graphic, 5 of them end with the words "..... is state violence". One of the others is about ignoring black immigrants and the other is about black girls being used as bargaining chips during war (which I don't have any idea what that means) but none of them say a word about black people killing other black people.

In the end, the black community has very limited control over what the cops think and what industry leaders think and what law makers think... the one thing they can control, is how the black community acts and is perceived.. and as long as blacks are killing each other in record numbers, it makes it hard to take their calls for "justice" in other matters as seriously as we should...

read what you wrote.

everything has got to be a grand gesture with you guys. i just don't get it.

but grand gestures. thats the only way the community gets you guy's attention. we gotta riot.

peaceful protest doesn't cut it anymore. MLK tried peaceful protest and got shot for it.

it takes riots and people dying in the streets for you guys to notice anything about our community.

but it's cool though. i get it, and i'm exhausted talking about it.

y'all care more about some stupid ass lion in africa over what happens to the black community. man people in africa don't even care about that lion. the only reason yall talk about black people is to make some point about how screwed up we are.

two threads and one week trashing us. have fun guys. get it all off your chest.

somebody quick, make another thread wondering if obama is an illegal. we haven't had one of those in a long time, either.

***see!! seee!! there's a handful of black people that think the same way we do!! it must be true!!!**

reminds me of when yall found that one black dude that defended the flag. yall acted like he just saved the whole movement. hero.

How about you stop shooting each other? That would be a very GRAND gesture. How about you stop having neighborhoods where most people (even other blacks) fear going.

If you think rioting is the best way to change people's perception of the poor black community, well then I reckon nothing is ever going to change.


MLK changed far more people's minds than did Malcolm X or the Black Panthers. In fact I would argue that their kind of influence actually undid a lot of what MLK was trying to accomplish.... MLK had a balanced message of peace, one that called on the white community to do better, one that also called on the black community to do better. Yes, he got shot, but in his life (and his death) he changed black people and white people for the better. His message was really not about looking BACKWARD and assigning blame, his message was about looking FORWARD to what could be... His message was well received, which is probably why he was shot.. some fringe white dude was getting really scared that a lot of other white dudes were starting to listen to that message and "get it"... I'm sorry but I don't see anybody of prominence out there with a message like the one MLK had, and it's a shame.


If you want the community to keep being noticed for negative reasons, nothing is going to change.


I have no idea what this is about.. I don't care about that lion.


I thought you wanted "us" to notice your community. Well, we are noticing it. As long as blacks are killing other blacks in these numbers and rioting, it's going to get noticed. Congratulations.... Unfortunately, the other stories of black kids succeeding will not get noticed in the news as long as there is a sufficient number of deaths to report on. If it bleeds, it leads.

And I've been on this board when there were 2 or 3 threads going at a time just bashing the crap out of Christians, conservatives, etc.. you joined right in. So climb down off the soap box bro. Nobody feels sorry for you that you have to defend your position or that people aren't just lining up to agree with you.

I readily admit that I've never walked in your shoes and therefore lack any substantive level of understanding of where you come from.. but under that same premise, you are too attached to step back and see it from my perspective also... You can't see it from the outside looking in because even if you aren't physically in it, you are still in it... you can't understand why people (white, wealthy, suburban, give it whatever name you want) feel the way they do.. it's much easier to just assign it to "racism" and claim we will never "get it" and move on...

because you guys don't get it.

i or somebody else has answered yall repeated questions over and over again.

"i wonder what the problem is"

*somebody tells you the problem and solution*

"nah, that can't be it, it's something else"

that is the typical response on this board in a nutshell.

so yea, it is easy to say "you guys don't get it" and move on, because thats exactly what ends up happening.

The argument always ends up being poverty. Basically fix poverty, and everything else gets fixed. Sounds great in theory, doesn't actually happens in practice. It's not as if society hasn't tried, by all means read about the enormity of social welfare programs in this country if you care to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_programs_in_the_United_States#Types_of_social_programs

Quality of schools always gets mentioned. What hardly ever gets mentioned is almost anywhere in the country, more money is spent per student in the inner city schools than the suburban schools and it is the latter that does much better performance wise. Why? If it truly is because the money is being squandered, then fire the ones who are responsible for that and replace them with the best, most qualified people that are available.

I also think that in many social debates, the true order of cause and effect gets switched or at least it is not acknowledged that things often go both ways. A very simple example might be that poverty contributes to higher crime rate. Well rampant crime also contributes to poverty, etc.

People have their own lives and interests they have to attend to. Like in the other thread about Chicago violence, I really would like the violence to be curtailed. That would be great and it would make me very happy. But at the end of the day, I have to work, I have a social life, I exercise several hours a week, I have a lot more than that going on, and I have bills to pay too. There really isn't a whole heck of a lot I can do about it and arguing on the internet accomplishes nothing. Heck I am more concerned about the violence in Cleveland just on the grounds that it is vastly more likely to affect me. Some might call that selfish; I call it being honest and realistic.

He got assassinated due to wanting to shake up the economic power structure in this country.

Poverty. Yes, that gets blamed all the time.

I go to W. Virginia almost every year. 2nd poorest county in W.V. (at least, it was) Webster County. It's not in the hills of W.V., it's in the mountains of W.V.

Wanna talk poor? It's poor. If you can afford to heat your house with gas/propane, or electric, you're "rich".

There isn't much crime though, among all those poor people. In the county, a few work in coal mines. The lumber industry is huge. And if you aren't in either of those, you're working at a gas station.

Crime isn't a problem, and murder or shootings just practically doesn't exist. They do have a drug problem though. Just as any county in the country does.

I've only stayed in West Virginia once and even that hardly qualifies (Mountaineer Casino, on the northern panhandle of WV), but even there, the communities are pretty darn run down and you can tell it's not the most affluent of areas. There seemed to be a lot of nice, laid back people though. I see where you're coming from although obviously I don't have much personal experience of the area.

I have a lot more personal experiences. Friendly people, as long as they know what's going on. Just passing through? Have at it, and watch the curve up ahead.

Wouldn't that also mean that Swish's and other's opinions aren't valid because they worked their way out of the hood and became successful? ....or is it different just because you don't agree with Ray's opinions.

Neither, actually.

Ray had it easier due to athletics, and I'm not sure he realizes this when talking about Black on Black crime.

Ray Lewis a suspected murderer of a black male cares that Black Live Matters isn't speaking out on black on black crime?

So are you suggesting that due to where Ray ended up, he no longer has any credibility speaking about where he started?

No, he has all the credibility in the world. I just believe his success blinds him from what many still do experience. He got out of it due to his ability, but it seems he forgets what many still experience to this day.

BLM holds valid concerns. Some parts of the justice system are set to protect all, and other parts are set to incriminate certain individuals.

I understand these opinions run counter to the majority of this board, and I'm fine with that.

You ever rode the Hatfield and McCoy trails in WV?? Theres a reason why we all carried while we rode them. Theres a reason why someone stood armed guard in shifts outside the cabins guarding our trucks and trailers. BS to their not being crime issues in the extremely poor rural areas.

A bit of an oxymoron there. You're trying to discredit him because he doesn't hold your viewpoint, by saying that his hood experience no longer matters now that he's successful. On the other hand, others who've worked their way out of the hood are credible when they agree with you. You want it both ways.

Not that I really care what Ray Lewis has to say generally, but I've always thought the BLM was a racist group.

I mean, Of course, Black Lives Matter. But no more or less than White or Hispanic lives matter.

A black man kills a black man and you hear nothing from BLM. A Black man kills a white man and you hear nothing from BLM. But oh lord, let a white man kill a black man and you'd think the entire world came unglued. Rallies and protests all over the damn place..

When the group changes their name to "HUMAN LIVES MATTER" and begin protesting murder/Cop killings etc with the same fervor no matter what race is involved, then I'll join them.

I don't want to get into this discussion due to both sides being unreasonable. However, Ray Lewis was not convicted of murder and to dismiss his opinions based on an accusation is grossly negligent.

For the thousandth time on this board, in order to be racist, the BLM must say that blacks are better than whites.


that's not whats happening.

some of y'all need to look up the definition of racism.

i'm tired of explaining this, but the message of the BLM is that yes, ALL lives matters, which they agree with. what they are saying is that in the justice system and the cop community, black lives seem to matter LESS than everybody else, when they want equal treatment and protection under the law.

there is nothing racist about that stance.

to claim that the BLM is racist is telling me that you completely ignore everything that has gone on, or you don't actually agree that blacks should be treated equally under the justice system.

Y'all need to stop being Hypocritical like when we had the thread about that BBQ place that wanted to have a thankyou day for all White people with a 10 percent discount. These Boards went NUTS!!!

I posted some Pro-White stuff and got called everything but a Black Man!

No, you don't have to grow up in the Hood to recognize Racism when you see it!

Who went nuts? I surely didn't

What would you call it when Black on White crime goes largely unnoticed by the BLM? But boy oh boy, Let a white guy commit a crime against a black guy and BLM shows up in droves.

Actions speak louder than words. You can sit there all day and say that BLM isn't saying that "blacks are better than whites" but those are words. Actions are what counts

So, for the Thousandth time, Based on their actions, BLM is racist.. JMHO

how are the actions showing that they believe blacks are better than whites?