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Best post you ever made.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/04/17/jj-watt-houston-texans-injury-nfl-future-retirement-peter-king

Bargain Bin -- that seems to sums this team up these days.

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It's not an ASSumption for me ... I remember during his rookie year watching and saying to myself on many occasions ..... Man, was he wide open there wasn't even anyone in the TV screen ......

He's just not very accurate at all .... If u don't use his legs, he's a very below avg. QB ...



I agree 100% .... The hits KILLED RG3 his rookie year ... Just like it has EVERY ATHELETIC QB in the history of the league .... Cam may be the exception ... But I don't see how ... JUST NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE .... No matter how big or tough u are ...



We'll just have to disagree here .... IMO he does one thing well ... He has a very strong arm and can throw it a million miles an hour and can throw it two miles .... Problem is he has ZERO ACCURACY and ZERO TOUCH ....

Making him a "pocket" passer, even one that moves around is NOT GOING TO WORK because of his deficiencies ,... Not a real good decision maker either ...

Sorry tab .... U and I agree in principal we just don't agree on RG3's skill set ...

As usual ... I hope I'm wrong and your right ..... GO TAB ... *L* ...

Oh bro .... I really wish I could share your optimism ... I'm so sick of being REALISTIC cause our REALITY SUCKS!!!!!! ..... ....

Amen.

2012 Accuracy 79.6 or #2 in the NFL by PFF (the only site that tracked accuracy %)


2013 Accuracy was 72.4%

PFF no longer releases Accuracy % to the public but Cian Fahey (Football Outsiders) now tracks Accuracy %...





There are a bunch of legit critiques of Griffin's game.
But accuracy isn't one of them.

Amen? I'm a Browns fan! I can't cross the street now without looking for multiple buses that are out of control!

I do that during the 4th quarter and the Browns leading...

yeah I think we are all safe until the Browns start winning... then watch out

RGIII will continue to work with QB guru Tom House

Robert Griffin III's work with renowned quarterback guru Tom House this offseason has led some to believe that we might be seeing more of the quarterback that blazed through his rookie season back in 2012.

If nothing else, there is hope that he has marginally improved as a pocket passer.

"You want to work with guys that have worked with the greats," Griffin said, via Ohio.com. "Me personally and every guy in that locker room, we're not working to be average or good. We want to be great. So he's worked with Brady and Brees and a load of other guys, and they've seen success. So I wanted to take on that challenge and challenge myself to be great and try to work with a guy that knows how to make that happen."

House's client list includes Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, Matt Cassel, Alex Smith and Tim Tebow. In recent years, he's also taken on Andy Dalton, AJ McCarron and Terrelle Pryor, bringing the obvious Hue Jackson connections full circle.

Of course, working with a guru doesn't make a player like all the others he has worked with in the past. The positive for Browns fans to take away is what House provides. Griffin's throwing motion was scanned and digitized. House specializes in motion analysis and the rebuilding of a motion from the ground up.

As Griffin puts it:

"Being an NFL quarterback is not easy, but if it was easy everyone would do it. So the process of how to take care of your body, how to take care of your arm, how to take care of your mind and set goals each day (is vital). It sounds simple, but when you have a thousand things that are running through your head, protections, formations, plays, reads, (House) teaches you how to manage that, and then he's a guru when it comes to arm mechanics and things like that and how to keep your shoulder healthy. So all that stuff’s been really, really helpful."

It's good to hear Griffin talking about his skill set with tangible confidence again. Maybe that's really the major benefit House is providing here. Jackson understood that Griffin would be a reclamation project, but a major part of that was self-confidence. Griffin's massive fall from grace in Washington was enough to derail even the best!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-guru-tom-house

I think working with House is very good. Its always smart to sharpen up the fundamentals. Plus, Hue can sneak the playbook to House who can pass it to Griffin . Also, I would be very surprised though IF Griffin lost confidence if its one thing the kid doesn't lack for its confidence. Even during the worst of times Ryan Clark and London Fletcher I recall them both saying in radio interviews that despite everything that happened Griffin remained confident throughout. If I can find the articles from those interviews i'll post them.

I think there are two different types of confidence.

When you go from being the guy a team had mortgaged everything for to scout team safety, you may have one type of confidence, but definitely not the other. :-p

I agree that House could be huge for Griffen as long as he can take the early lumps this team will have to endure out of the gate.

? There is no way prove it, and even if I could i doubt you would believe it if you already think otherwise. But if there's one thing Griffin has not lacked for, its confidence.

Yeah just hope his confidence leans over on the playing field.

I don't know for sure, but I've always been of the opinion that RGIII never lost his confidence.

In fact, I always thought a little humility would have went a long way in helping him out.

Personally, I think the folks in Washington lost confidence in him..

Some of RG's problems were with the way the situation was handled in DC by the coaching staff and team in general. he's not without some blame either. And he's admitted that.

He just was never meant to run a WCO. Shanny did a good job of adding a much more verticle passing element and adapting a lot of what he did in college then he was playing when he probably shouldnt have been out there and thats when the fall from grace began.

Gruden's scheme was even more quick thinking timing based and RG3 was just never a good fit. I also think the early success he had went to his head and he didnt want to put in the work to get better at the craft. Just came to easy for him.

That is where Vers u are correct in that he needed a realty check and he got one as Cousins looked great in a scheme he didnt bother learning and he lost his job. He has been humbled.

He appears to want to learn and want to get better. Working with House, listening to McCown absorbing knowledge whereever he can get it. If he did that in DC he and the Shannahan's would have been legends by now.

RG3 has had 2 years now to get healthy. he has Al Saunders and Hue in his corner, and this is the offense that his skill set should fit. Its not always about taking the best player, its about taking the best fit for your team.

I am reticent to comment/respond to this post because I realize I'm arguing against national perception.

But, its my nature to respond when I think something is off-base or my view from being in this area and following the team closely tells me otherwise.

I don't think its fair to say whether or not Griffin wasn't meant to run a WCO. Jay Gruden from the outset wasn't invested in making it work with Griffin. Jay made it known by his comments about Griffin and the fact that he benched him after only 5 games. And the Shanahan's ran a hybrid offense that didn't teach him true WCO principles.

Shanahan did adapt the offense in Griffin's rookie year, but it wasn't with Griffin's college offense. Griffin ran a spread-zone read at Baylor. In 2012 Mike ran a Nevada style Pistol read-option.

The talk about Griffin not putting in work doesn't match anything that was said about Griffin until Mike Shanahan was fired. Griffin has always been known as a very hard worker.

Didn't bother to learn the scheme? Where does this come from?

Another common misconception. Shanahan wasn't fired because of the offense failing in 2013. Rather the offense was by far the best unit on that team. Mike was fired because he was in total control of the team and built a horrible defensive roster and special teams unit and mismanaged his franchise QB causing an injury THEN leaked reports to the media bad mouthing both the owner and the (then) franchise QB.

It all prologue anyhow.

Griffin is going to have improve in several facets both on and off the field. But, that doesn't make him unlike any other young QB. What separates Griffin is the rare physical skillset and actual high level play at the NFL level.

That is the bottom line.

I think both sides have proven that there are reports out there that back-up their beliefs.

The fact is that RGIII needs to get it done on the field more than he does w/press clippings.

RGIII is a smart guy with a lot of charisma, at least when things are going well. He has a great arm. He is not a thug or a druggie. He has been humbled and I don't see any evidence of a bad work ethic. I think he was done in by the injury and by Snyder having a bro-mance with him that messed up his relationship with Shanahan and maybe members of the team.
Best of all, he cost us nothing. This could work, and if it does, the city will fall in love with him. It has the potential to be a great story.

Just wanted to close the loop on the accuracy issue for 2014.
I e-mailed PFF:
Griffin had 265 drop backs in 2014; his accuracy 78.9% which was good for 3rd in the league.

so... we don't have to worry about fastballs 4 feet away from the backs that create trenches in the ground.

I'm happy for that in itself

Not a fan of RG3 but he has a chance. I would still like to double down on the position with Lynch.

I would not take Hakenberg in the 7th. Gutless.

j/c

For all the QB gurus out there, who in the draft has the skillset that most closely replicates that of RGIII? That is the guy that I want in the mid/late rounds...

We had this discussion earlier. I think it is Lynch, but he won't be there that late.

Thanks for the reply but uuggh! I don't want a QB until later in the draft, and I don't like Lynch for some reason. Any other QB with similar skills?

I'm not a QB guru, but I think Prescott is the most similar.

I'd give a vote for Prescott.

Boykin, Vernon Adams, Everett Golson.

Prescott, Lynch, and Wentz are all athletically talented like Griffin, but they are much bigger.

I'm guessing here, but I think 32's point was to draft a QB with a similar skill set, and upside, so that major changes to the game plan isn't necessary if RG3 goes down and the rookie has to take over.

Part of the problem is that Griffin is an athletic freak. No one in the history of the league is really like him:

http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/102/

You nailed it! RGIIIa and RGIIIb. Seamless...

The closest thing to him that I have seen in the Pros.. is Pryor...

No guru more like a draft nerd with to much time wasted on this stuff.....TB is shorter but playing style and college offensive scheme are similar.
Usually I'd talk about skillset and use a game cut-up as opposed to highlights...but honestly who's gonna watch a whole game cut-up, heck most won't even watch the highlights..lol


And you can probably get him 6th-PUDFA




Others...Dak Prescott(mid-round)but he's more like a mini-Cam then Griffin.

Jeff Driskell late round guy.

Don't necessarily agree that they should/need to draft a QB like Griffin. They should just draft a QB that they think they can develop.