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Just a writer assuming that analytics will be he only piece of the decision making puzzle.
When all parties involved have repeatedly said it will be part of but not the end all / be all of that process. its nice to know the ENTIRE DECISION won't be based off of analytics ... just wondering texas ... or anyone ... WHAT % OF THE PROCESS WILL IT BE .... 5% or 75% ... based off letting Schwartz and Gibson walk when were 40 mill (if the numbers mac posted are accurate) under the salary cap I'm going with its a WAY BIGGER % OF THE EQUATION THEN IT SHOULD BE ,,,, seriously ... why did we hire this dude if it is not going to be a SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS??? ... did we just hire a guy and pay him a nice chunk of change just to put another 5% variable into the talent end of our decision making process??? .. I think not ... and after letting the two youngins go ... I'M REALLY THINKING NOT!!!! 
What I understand is Paul and his staff will mostly be working on it as a tool for all to use. Hue in his game planning. Heck the NFL has been using tendency as a staple of game planning for a long time. Now we will get into in a depth never done before. But it will be there as a "TOOL" to use. I think it should have some input in almost all decisions out there. Not a dictated input...but as a collective fact.
jmho my concern isn't in the game planning or play calling area .. I see where it has much better use there .. especially when your talking about a certain down and distance and a teams tendencies ... I am on board with that 100% .. its FA that the analytics really scares the crap out of me .. and to a smaller extent the draft ... this is a league based on TALENT as u well know .. and I just don't see this analytics crap working in acquiring talent .. MAKES NO SENSE TO ME ...
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http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/3/10/11194654/tashaun-gipson-browns-jaguars-winning-free-agency Pro Bowl safety Tashaun Gipson signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars, saying he wanted to win. "You want to start winning. That's nothing against Cleveland," Gipson said. "I have nothing but love and respect for that organization and love for the city. But I feel like this organization is going in the right direction. It's a lot of moving parts with some good players in the right position." “In this league, when you start getting to certain amounts of money, you begin to look at this is life-changing money regardless,” Gipson said, via Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal. “But I guess it comes into play that you want to start winning. It’s nothing against Cleveland. I have nothing but love and respect for that organization and love for the city. But I feel like this organization is going in the right direction.” http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...n-jacksonville/there is a couple I guess I could put more if you want...sounds like wanting to play somewhere else to me...wanting to win and play for another team is wanting out. he chose to play for another team...thus that's wanting out. not a "i hate the browns and want out" kind of out, but wanting out none the less
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http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/3/10/11194654/tashaun-gipson-browns-jaguars-winning-free-agency Pro Bowl safety Tashaun Gipson signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars, saying he wanted to win. "You want to start winning. That's nothing against Cleveland," Gipson said. "I have nothing but love and respect for that organization and love for the city. But I feel like this organization is going in the right direction. It's a lot of moving parts with some good players in the right position." “In this league, when you start getting to certain amounts of money, you begin to look at this is life-changing money regardless,” Gipson said, via Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal. “But I guess it comes into play that you want to start winning. It’s nothing against Cleveland. I have nothing but love and respect for that organization and love for the city. But I feel like this organization is going in the right direction.” http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...n-jacksonville/there is a couple I guess I could put more if you want...sounds like wanting to play somewhere else to me...wanting to win and play for another team is wanting out. he chose to play for another team...thus that's wanting out. not a "i hate the browns and want out" kind of out, but wanting out none the less No way the Browns could have msde them stay just ask mac, Vers...the Browns just let them walk made no attempt to keep them.
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Dang dude. How many times are we going to re-post those same two month old articles in one thread?!
Post all that crap just to make a one-line comment.
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Well now that we know the moneyball man has the final say, I believe we have a better idea of what happened.
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I dunno, maybe it's me, but I think when he says he "thinks" it should be 60%, vs. what it will be, is two different things. All this has to be discussed by the whole group. Chances are they will come to an agreement, where the Coach and staff feel comfortable and where the FO feels like the numbers support the rest.
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Well now that we know the moneyball man has the final say, I believe we have a better idea of what happened. Moneyball as a derogatory term. "Moneyball" revolutionized two sports already. New ideas are scary.
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Dang dude. How many times are we going to re-post those same two month old articles in one thread?!
Post all that crap just to make a one-line comment. So what? 
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Dang dude. How many times are we going to re-post those same two month old articles in one thread?!
Post all that crap just to make a one-line comment. if you read further up you would have seen I only posted those to prove a point when asked too 
I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
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Yeah, that's ok. Then nana-dance reposts the whole thing just to add a one line comment.
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Yeah, that's ok. Then nana-dance reposts the whole thing just to add a one line comment. 
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I have to admit that this was funny...
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Dang dude. How many times are we going to re-post those same two month old articles in one thread?!
Post all that crap just to make a one-line comment. if you read further up you would have seen I only posted those to prove a point when asked too You still didn't prove squat. You originally said that Gipson was quoted as saying he didn't want to play in Cleveland, thus the Browns had no chance of signing him. I still have NOT seen that quote.
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You are aligning yourself w/Vambo and 101? Wow-za!
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No way the Browns could have msde them stay just ask mac, Vers...the Browns just let them walk made no attempt to keep them. Hey, Vambo is making things up again. How refreshing. Find ONE post where I said that. Here is my take.....has been my take.....and will be my take. None of us really know the complete truth. What we do know is all four guys are gone. FACT! We are probably almost certainly correct in saying that the Browns are a worse team because of those losses. Vambo..........please stop spreading lies about what I have said.
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...or enjoy some comic relief.
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Vambo..........please stop spreading lies about what I have said.
Prove they are LIES.  No more lies than what you post. 
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Prove it? You are the one who said it. Find ONE post where I said that the Browns did not even try to keep their free agents. Just one.
You prove it, mouth!
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Dang dude. How many times are we going to re-post those same two month old articles in one thread?!
Post all that crap just to make a one-line comment. if you read further up you would have seen I only posted those to prove a point when asked too You still didn't prove squat. You originally said that Gipson was quoted as saying he didn't want to play in Cleveland, thus the Browns had no chance of signing him. I still have NOT seen that quote. "After departing Cleveland via free agency on Thursday, Gibson said his decision to look elsewhere was a result of his desire to win — so he signed with Jacksonville, one of the league’s biggest bottom-feeders. http://national.suntimes.com/national-sp...ed-jacksonvilleIf you don't want to admit that what he means when he said that then give your interpretation of what that statement meant.
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Who was it complaining so much about name calling? Hmmmmm way to practice what you preach! 
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You still haven't provided a quote of me saying I said that the Browns didn't try signing any of the free agents.
So, will you admit you fabricated it or continue w/the charade?
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LMAO................I'm picturing Vambo searching and searching and searching for just ONE post where I said that the Browns didn't even TRY to keep our free agents. He is becoming frantic at this point.
Meanwhile, he acted like it was a comment that mac and I made all the time.
Again..............we have a honesty issue on the board.
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You still haven't provided a quote of me saying I said that the Browns didn't try signing any of the free agents.
So, will you admit you fabricated it or continue w/the charade? no you keep saying they "let them walk". implying they didn't try hard enough. when in fact 3 out 4 wanted out anyway.
I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
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Look.............please don't pretend to know what I am implying. You can barely read.
When I say.......they let them walk........I mean, they are gone. Period. That can not be debated!
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now now let them walk carries implications as you darn well know. so don't pretend it doesn't ok? and I mean I can read all the bigger words that you b e using all da time rite?
I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
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You are aligning yourself w/Vambo and 101? Wow-za! I am not aligning myself with anyone. I say what I feel, some people agree with it, others don't. No one can dispute that analytics transformed both baseball and basketball. They made player evaluation and team building more accurate. I hope they can do the same for us in the NFL.
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Analytics were already being used in the NFL. Saying they are new is a fairy tale.
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now now let them walk carries implications as you darn well know. so don't pretend it doesn't ok? I took the time to explain. Are you calling me a liar?
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Analytics were already being used in the NFL. Saying they are new is a fairy tale. True. I don't think they have ever been used to the extent we are using them/about to use them.
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now now let them walk carries implications as you darn well know. so don't pretend it doesn't ok? I took the time to explain. Are you calling me a liar? not calling you anything...but you did say I was making stuff up...that equates to calling me a liar, does it not?
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not calling you anything...but you did say I was making stuff up...that equates to calling me a liar, does it not?
Did I? I thought I said that about Vambo. I will stick to that because I never once said [unless I said it once while totally inebriated] that the Browns didn't try to re-sign their free agents. Vambo acted like mac and I say that all the time. I think what I said to you was to show me a quote where Gipson actually said "I don't want to play for the Browns." That's not calling you a liar. That's questioning your interpretation of his actual quotes.
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No way the Browns could have msde them stay just ask mac, Vers...the Browns just let them walk made no attempt to keep them. Yo Vambo...............I am still waiting for just one quote where I said that. You gonna admit you lied about it, or what?
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not calling you anything...but you did say I was making stuff up...that equates to calling me a liar, does it not?
Did I? I thought I said that about Vambo. I will stick to that because I never once said [unless I said it once while totally inebriated] that the Browns didn't try to re-sign their free agents. Vambo acted like mac and I say that all the time. I think what I said to you was to show me a quote where Gipson actually said "I don't want to play for the Browns." That's not calling you a liar. That's questioning your interpretation of his actual quotes. Yo Vers still waiting on your interpretation of what Gipson said in his quote! "After departing Cleveland via free agency on Thursday, Gibson said his decision to look elsewhere was a result of his desire to win — so he signed with Jacksonville, one of the league’s biggest bottom-feeders. http://national.suntimes.com/national-sp...ed-jacksonvilleIf you don't want to admit that what he means when he said that then give your interpretation of what that statement meant.
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LMAO................I'm picturing Vambo
I know you admire my posts Vers and look up to me but fantasizing about me is a bit CREEPY.
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My interpretation of that quote is that Gipson did not say that there was no way he would return to the Browns.
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LMAO................I'm picturing Vambo
I know you admire my posts Vers and look up to me but fantasizing about me is a bit CREEPY. So, you haven't even found ONE time where I said that? Wow. You gonna apologize for your false statement? If not, you will be exposed for what I think you really are.........
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Gibson said his decision to look elsewhere... Looking elsewhere is what players do when they become free agents. That's what it's all about. While they are looking elsewhere there may also be negotiations with his former team to re-sign with them. There is no way his comment can be interpreted as, "I don't want to play for the Browns."
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According to Fox Sports, Gipson said during his introductory press conference that he chose the Jags because he’s ready “to start winning,”
that says he wanted out, leave whatever label you wish to throw on there...he wasn't staying here guys...that does not say in any interpretation that he wanted to stay.
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My interpretation of that quote is that Gipson did not say that there was no way he would return to the Browns. But did HE sign with the Browns? He could have if HE WANTED TO but he didn't WANT TO.
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