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Look at what you literally just posted.

Soldiers, returning HOME, as in they belonged here, and go it from going abroad.

That has NOTHING to do with illegal immigration.

it kind of does. Any time you go somewhere else, travel abroad, you run the risk of being exposed to something your body and immune system isn't prepared for or you have not been vaccinated against. Travelling to these regions needs to be considered, immigration from these regions needs to be considered, importing produce from these regions needs to be considered...


Very good points especially since it is a developing situation.
Did you see where in PR, the number of cases is DOUBLING each week? That is something to consider also, we can't let this become full blown in the US.

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Only way this spread in the US is if people get promiscuous with unprotected sexual activity. Closing down borders, banning travel, or any other knee jerk reaction would show a culture of fear in our country.

If it gets bad then maybe screen those entering from the country, but don't shut down the border or make it about undocumented citizens.

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We already have a culture of fear in this country.

Mofo's thought it was a national epidemic when some dumbass tried drinking beer out of his butt.


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Only way this spread in the US is if people get promiscuous with unprotected sexual activity.


Well then we should quarantine all men under 50 and hookers.


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Can I get an exemption? I'm in a place where anything is too cold to live.

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Can I get an exemption? I'm in a place where anything is too cold to live.


The fact that you're still alive makes that argument invalid. Sorry.


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Only way this spread in the US is if people get promiscuous with unprotected sexual activity. Closing down borders, banning travel, or any other knee jerk reaction would show a culture of fear in our country.

If it gets bad then maybe screen those entering from the country, but don't shut down the border or make it about undocumented citizens.


It won't matter from what I have been reading. Some of those breeds of Mosquito's can stand colder temps and will be traveling farther North than Scientists first suspected.
30 States are now threatened.

Unless we build a net wall, those immigrants are coming for us.

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Unless we build a net wall, those immigrants are coming for us.


Can we get Mexico to pay for that one too?


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Surprisingly, it would have very little environmental impact. Their lack of biomass makes them a poor choice of predators. Where the concern lies is in biocompetition. If we eliminate them, what other flying pest will surge to fill the vacuum?

As it turns out, we don't have to eliminate all mosquitos to free ourselves of th diseases they carry... we just have to eliminate them in the areas where humans live- and that is already being done. A town in Brazil as able to decrease its resident mosquito population by 96% (!!!), virtually eliminating all cases of malaria in a single year.

Here's an entertaining li'l 20-minute report of the initiative:
http://www.radiolab.org/story/kill-em-all/

and here's a link to the biotech company that's doing the work:
http://www.oxitec.com/who-we-are/what-we-do/


...and here's Haydn Parry, CEO of Oxitech- in a TED talk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpsRAk5HpK4


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CDC Confirms Sexual Transmission of Zika Virus Between 2 Men
By GILLIAN MOHNEY Apr 15, 2016, 11:46 AM ET

Researchers have for the first time determined that the Zika virus can be sexually-transmitted between men, according to officials from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

CDC officials said this mode of transmission "might contribute to more illness than was anticipated when the outbreak was first recognized."

The CDC published its study in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly report.

"Such cases highlight the need for clinicians to remain vigilant for and continue reporting any suspected cases of Zika virus infection to their state or local health departments," according to the report. "This includes suspected infections in symptomatic persons without travel history, but who report unprotected sexual contact with a person who has traveled to an area with active Zika virus transmission."

The transmission occurred when one man returned to Dallas, Texas, after a weeklong trip in Venezuela. Two days after arriving back in the U.S., the man developed classic symptoms of Zika virus including rash, fever and conjunctivitis. The man's partner of 10 years developed symptoms five days later, including fever, fatigue and headache.

Medical officials confirmed both men had the Zika virus through blood tests. They determined that sexual contact was the most likely cause for the second man's infection since he had not been in a country where the virus was being transmitted from mosquitoes to people.

Symptoms for both men cleared up in approximately a week, according to the report.

Earlier this week federal health officials declared there was enough evidence to conclude that Zika causes the birth defect microcephaly, which is characterized by an underdeveloped head and brain. Researchers and health officials said there is still much they do not know about the risks of the virus.

CDC Confirms


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J\C I bet if the Hispanics or illegals were getting fastracked to the Republican party you libs would be xenophobes and proud of it, man you guys are such a lying joke its actually pitiful

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Lol man what?


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that was meant for Mr. SWISH sorry that I keep doing that

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But you're not right though.


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Also, this is what I'm talking about.

You guys managed to turn this into a left vs right thing.

So it's less about the virus and more about spinning it to your agenda.

Fear mongering

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Originally Posted By: Swish
Also, this is what I'm talking about.

You guys managed to turn this into a left vs right thing.

So it's less about the virus and more about spinning it to your agenda.

Fear mongering


I haven't, even though I keep getting told I did. Uncontrolled (illegal) immigration is dangerous in more ways than one.


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Honestly SWISH you seriously don't think that the open border thing isn't a left or right issue ?

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As it relates to the Zika virus? No

But I see you're trying your hardest to make it a left vs right issue.


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Lets see... you are blaming American vacationers then you libs are using the lib insult xenophobia which puts you square in the agenda forum ok you got it now,I on the other hand I feel that the open borders and lack of border control prob. is contributing to the problem so go ahead and blame Americans it makes you feel better

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More scare tactics to keep us scared about the bigger world beyond our borders.

30k gun shootings/homicides a year in this country means there is a much greater likelihood of being shot in this country by our fellow Americans than we do contacting Zika virus or being blown up by a terrorist. Yet, instead of doing something significant to really help curb/stop this senseless violence folks are freaking out and worried about traveling to foreign land and people coming into the US.

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No, people are afraid of a Virus they can do nothing about and is crossing our border at will.

People fear having to work for low pay and losing their jobs because the illegals will work for next to nothing, and like it.

They fear the crime that comes from those who enter our country illegally, unknown to us, with unknown agendas.
They fear that our Government which is sworn to protect us from all enemies, foreign and domestic, is impotent as non citizens flow like water across our open borders.

They fear people like you who fight to defend the non American over the American Citizen as you are blind to the threat standing in front of you.

They fear the allowed immigration of populations we are at war with.

PC and Inclusiveness have become more important to you than American lives and America livelihoods.

Shame!

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No, people are afraid of a Virus they can do nothing about and is crossing our border at will.


Remember SARS? Bird flu? Swine flu? Ebola? Everybody was panicking yet, it didn't become the worldwide disaster they feared and the national papers headlined. Actually, I think more people in this country die from regular flu than any of the above diseases.

That's not to say it wont become a major epidemic nor making light of the true suffering it and the other diseases have caused. But, until we know more about it all we can do is exercise certain precautions & educate ourselves on it so that we don't have to live in fear nor in a bubble. It's ridiculous to think we can just close borders.

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People fear having to work for low pay and losing their jobs because the illegals will work for next to nothing, and like it.


You know all those cheap things Americans like to buy...just remember its only cheap because it is being made in countries where they don't have to pay 10-15 minimum wage. So, next time you are at Costco stocking up and getting a "great deal" remember why you can buy it all. If that crap were made here you would probably think twice before filling up that cart with stuff you don't need.

Same with our economy...next time you buy your fruit and vegetables for a decent cost remember the people working those fields so you can pay very little for your food.

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They fear the crime that comes from those who enter our country illegally, unknown to us, with unknown agendas.
They fear that our Government which is sworn to protect us from all enemies, foreign and domestic, is impotent as non citizens flow like water across our open borders.

They fear people like you who fight to defend the non American over the American Citizen as you are blind to the threat standing in front of you.

They fear the allowed immigration of populations we are at war with.

PC and Inclusiveness have become more important to you than American lives and America livelihoods.


30k victims of gun violence a year is an appalling statistic that should be feared more so than any of the above examples you list. Instead, we just ignore it, point the blame at other things and move on to the next headline.

Remember what our nation was founded on. Remember the millions who fled the potato famine, poverty in Italy, came over during the Gold Rush, fled wars etc. and who were eventually welcomed here and became part of the USA. Remember the poem carved on the base of the Statue of Liberty. As a nation we are much stronger for these collected beliefs than we are fearing the world outside our borders. Call it "PC", "Inclusiveness" or "bleeding heart liberalism" and call my attitude "shameful". But, I call it honoring the beliefs our country was built upon. I call it respecting and celebrating other people and the diverse cultures around the world. I call it America...a true melting pot society.

Remember too the words of FDR...."the only thing we have to fear, is fear itself".

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look who you're answering to bro.

him and Riley just used the Zika Virus to further the illegal immigration rhetoric, even though another article that was posted by another person also highlighted the fact that yet again, another American brought the disease back.

so once again, none of them are offering to keep americans from leaving the country.

but somehow, it's the illegals fault?

don't even bother bro, this was a pathetic attempt to spin a thread to once again cry about illegals.

as if they didn't have enough ammo on the topic anyway, now they resort to making crap up.

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No, people are afraid of a Virus they can do nothing about and is crossing our border at will.


Remember SARS? Bird flu? Swine flu? Ebola? Everybody was panicking yet, it didn't become the worldwide disaster they feared and the national papers headlined.



Remember the Spanish Flu?

An estimated 675,000 Americans died of influenza during that pandemic.

The CDC just announced there are now 41 States with cases of Zika. You guys go ahead and tell the pregnant women of America that it ain't no thang. rolleyes

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look who you're answering to bro.



I know. I bit my tongue for a long time telling myself not to get involved in politics on a football team's message board. I eventually gave in. I probably shouldn't have and instead stuck with just football talk.

At least we all have one thing in common. Our support for a terrible football team that we hope will one day be great again. When the Browns do eventually win a championship all politics and beliefs will be put on hold for those precious moments and days as we rejoice and celebrate together. A diverse group of differing minds, morals and beliefs brought together through sport. Right 40?

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i don't remember the spanish flu, because the last time i checked, nobody on this board was born before 1918.

and once again, that had nothing to do with illegal immigration.

spin and dodge and get caught up in the side talk all you want, at the end of the day, you're fear mongering and trying to relate this to your rhetoric.

we ain't buying it.

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Remember the Spanish Flu?


I believe most doctors and scientists now believe it was bacteria and not the virus itself that killed most of the people during the Spanish Flu. Probably pneumonia? Also, did they have inoculations and antibiotics prior to 1918 or was it the Spanish flu that helped kick start mass inoculation and research into antibiotics?

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i don't remember the spanish flu, because the last time i checked, nobody on this board was born before 1918.

and once again, that had nothing to do with illegal immigration.

spin and dodge and get caught up in the side talk all you want, at the end of the day, you're fear mongering and trying to relate this to your rhetoric.

we ain't buying it.


Zika is not for sale, its free. Telling you guys to "Look Out" when crossing the street as a truck is coming is "Fear Mongering" to you.

Wake up already, this ain't no game!

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yes, it is fear mongering, especially when it's our own people driving the truck, even though you're telling us it's illegals doing it.


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i don't remember the spanish flu, because the last time i checked, nobody on this board was born before 1918.


That's an interesting choice of words.

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yes, it is fear mongering, especially when it's our own people driving the truck, even though you're telling us it's illegals doing it.


It is you Libs that are crying for inclusiveness for everyone even if it threatens the rest of us! If we complain, we are Xenophobic or Bigoted or whatever other names you call the thinking citizens of America!

This is why America is overrun by illegals!
This is why America is bringing refugees from Nations and Religions we are at war with!
This is why our Daughters are subjected to a man walking into the shower room with them because he claims to identify as a Female!

The Liberal/Progressive agenda is the worse epidemic America has faced since the Spanish Flu!

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once again, making the Zika Virus a left vs right issue?

your post has been less about the actual disease itself and more about your pathetic excuse of a spin move to make this about illegal immigration.

what does the Zika virus have to do with Islam?

so is Zika attacking christians with sharia law now?

absolutely pathetic.


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This is why America is overrun by illegals!
This is why America is bringing refugees from Nations and Religions we are at war with!
This is why our Daughters are subjected to a man walking into the shower room with them because he claims to identify as a Female!

The Liberal/Progressive agenda is the worse epidemic America has faced since the Spanish Flu!


Well, I'll let factual information speak for itself.

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Xenophobia: fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign

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Scaremonger: one inclined to raise or excite alarms especially needlessly

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING

This is why America is overrun by illegals!
This is why America is bringing refugees from Nations and Religions we are at war with!
This is why our Daughters are subjected to a man walking into the shower room with them because he claims to identify as a Female!

The Liberal/Progressive agenda is the worse epidemic America has faced since the Spanish Flu!


With all due respect 40, this is more about your personal gripes with what you perceive as "liberal agendas" and political correctness than it is about Zika virus. There is absolutely no rhyme or reason to your argument.

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he was probably on board with the whole "freedom" fries movement in 2002-03


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This is why America is overrun by illegals!


11.3 million*... in a country of over 300 million. That's hardly the definition of "overrun."

*Pew Research, 2014
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/19/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/


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The US has not issued a formal declaration of war on Syria or its President Bashar Al-Assad. The US is at war with ISIL, which happens to be hiding out and running operations IN Syria. That distinction is important. Until ISIL moved into Syria, the prime US role had been to provide intel, training, cash, and non-lethal aid to the Syrian rebels. Nowadays, the US has led a multinational coalition of governments in a series of airstrikes against ISIL, BUT NOT ASSAD and his government troops. So... no such thing as war with Syria.

and then, there's this:

"America treasures the relationship we have with our many Muslim friends, and we respect the vibrant faith of Islam which inspires countless individuals to lead lives of honesty, integrity, and morality. This year, may Eid also be a time in which we recognize the values of progress, pluralism, and acceptance that bind us together as a Nation and a global community. By working together to advance mutual understanding, we point the way to a brighter future for all."
-President George W. Bush, 12/2005

"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans (italics are mine/added for emphasis). Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America."
-President George W. Bush, 11/13/2002

"Ours is a war not against a religion, not against the Muslim faith. But ours is a war against individuals who absolutely hate what America stands for-"
-President George W. Bush, 11/2002

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/ramadan/islam.html


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This is why our Daughters are subjected to a man walking into the shower room with them because he claims to identify as a Female!


Then you agree that folks should enter the facility that conforms to the gender marked on their birth certificate?
Fine. Have it your way.

This person's birth certificate is marked "female."

http://www.outsmartmagazine.com/2015/12/...ng-competition/

Guess it's a little more complex than you considered, isn't it? Why does that not surprise me?



Sometimes, this game is just too easy.
Just imagine the damage I could inflict if I actually identified as a "libthingy"... and decided to treat you as you treat this board's Liberals.

Be afraid.
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So, clarify for me. Your position is that I can go into any bathroom I choose, as long as I "identify" that way? That's all it takes, is to "identify".

You've also used the "be afraid" comment a couple of times recently.

Here, and in a race thread. ("ignore us at your own peril")

What are you getting at?

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so if i'm following along correctly, now the Zika Virus is committing Jihad by the way of converting illegals into transgendered muslims.

okey dokey.


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