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I agree.

They brought in McCown to hold the position until Manziel was ready, and the 2 of them are very dissimilar in almost every respect.

Get guys you think can be good/great. It doesn't matter what the guy ahead of him is like.

I would also look at what the Redskins did. They drafted RG3, and then added Cousins in the 4th. They are not similar at all.

There's a really interesting dynamic right now.

Washington traded with STL. Cleveland was left out.

Washington is paying the other QB they drafted 17 million.

STL and Philly traded QBs.

Cleveland signed the QB Washington traded up for that they didnt.

STL AND Philly both traded up to #1 & 2.

The QB STL traded to Philly now wants traded again..

Tune in tomorrow for "As the QBs turn".

What does their size have to do w/their skill set?

Dak Prescott.

I think people are choosing Prescott because of their athletic similarities and perhaps because both are black. There is also this little thing called passing ability. Arm strength, accuracy, touch, etc. That is why I chose Lynch.

Yeah, exactly cause they are both black.

How about this...

RG3 Combine measurements.
Height 6' 2"
Arm Length 32 1/4 "
Weight 223 lbs

Dak Prescott Combine measurements
Height 6' 2"
Arm Length 32 1/4 "
Weight 226 lbs

Prescott does have much bigger hands than RG3. 10 7/8" vs 9 1/2"

Then there's this...



Tell me that doesn't look like RG3.

I like Lynch and think he does have similar skills, but given their height, I would be inclined to roll out RG3 and Prescott more often and if there is one thing Lynch does struggle with, it's throwing on the run. I think Lynch is a better pocket passer than Prescott or RG3 though. When scrambling, Lynch's play more often than not ends in a throw, where Dak and RG3 more often end in a run.

Or could just be that they are black. You tell me what my opinion is.

How they are used.

In your deal to impress Brownie and throw your virtual weight around, did you miss the part about passing the ball?

No, but you might have in your crusade to make it racial.

Crusade?

It's always a crusade with you Verse.

Same stuff different day.

You forgot to mention W84NxtYrAgain. The post impressed him too.

I'm with you on Lynch, that last time this conversation went around I had Lynch on the list.

The main similarity that I see between Griffin and Prescott is run threat. But, yeah I think Griffin is a much better arm talent. Cleaner, quicker throwing motion, more arm strength.

Thanks...........that is the real point I was trying to make. And since we were talking qb comparisons, I thought the arm talent thing was probably the most important issue. LOL

Only in that they both pose a run threat.

Prescott is a very different runner then Griffin both by scheme and by style. MissSt used Prescott as the primary ball carrier on many plays, including some between the tackle runs. Griffin was a zone-read option QB in college and wasn't as big a part of Baylor's run game and they almost never ran him between the tackles nor as a primary ball carrier he was always the 'option' runner.


Interesting didn't see throwing on the run as an issue for Lynch at all. Many plays in their offense roll him out. Of the 3 I would say Prescott is the shakiest when it comes to throwing on the run.


Pocket passer is one of those slippery terms where I'm never quite sure what someone means. But, if you mean right now being able to execute 3-5-7 step drop rhythm passing offense then Griffin is on a whole different level then Lynch and Prescott simply because he's been in the NFL for 4 years.
But, even comparing them as prospect I would say that Griffin was a polished from the pocket then Lynch and Dak.

Griffin has rare arm talent, especially for a guy with his frame. His arm strength doesn't seem to match his body kinda like Aaron Rodgers.

Interesting comp I read about Lynch-Griffin below. They call it true accuracy which is a misnomer imo its more like 'true completion %'...but anyhow....


http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/...entz-jared-goff

True Accuracy

Standardized completion percentage accounts for the distance of a quarterback's passes and eliminates drops and throwaways to better gauge a player's true accuracy. It gives players credit for completing a short screen pass, but the credit they receive depends on how often an average quarterback throws that pass. Although not originally designed to predict NFL success, standardized completion percentage is a good indicator of future NFL accuracy. Russell Wilson (81.7 percent), Robert Griffin III (79.7), Teddy Bridgewater (78.3) and Andrew Luck (75.2) had some of the top standardized completion percentages in their final year of college, while Geno Smith, Mike Glennon, Ryan Tannehill and Ryan Lindley ranked near the bottom (all less than 72 percent).

This year's class doesn't challenge the very best numbers in this category. Wentz and Goff are neck and neck on this, but Lynch eclipses both. While scouts have questioned how often Lynch stuck to short passes -- he threw 42 percent of passes less than 5 yards, compared to 36.4 percent for Goff and 29.3 for Wentz -- this stat accounts for the distance of his passes, and he still comes out on top.

I think saying that an even taller version of RG3 wouldn't be a better weapon is kind of funny.

Let me see if I get this straight. Getting someone even taller and stronger than RG3, more like a Cam Newton would be worse than getting a smaller QB more prone to injury? All right then.

The skill sets are still similar, but we don't really want a bigger, stronger version?

^^I'm confused who is saying this?

This may come off as a hot take, but I think Lynch is more McCown on the field than Cam. Now off the field definitely more Cam than McCown.

Hue Jackson is going to run HIS offense. Sure, he may put in a wrinkle here or there but you can bet the offense will look very similar to what he did in the Nati. He hired a lot of very seasoned offensive minds to work with him. One, Al Saunders was on Coryells staff in San Diego. He was on the staff of the "Greatest Show". These guys know what they want to do. The thought that they will throw out everything they have ever learned and try to run some bastardized version of a college scheme is ludicrous. Coach already said he's not running an RG3 offense, RG3 will be learning ours. I presume it will be the same with any QB we might draft. They will be brought in and taught how to play in a professional system by guys that have a history of teaching that system. So any QB that we draft will fit in our system. It's not the RG3 show.

Hue Jackson steals stuff from other teams all the time and is rather innovative (at least he was last year). He used a ton of packaged plays with Dalton.

He's also going to have to tweak it to the skill-set of whomever plays at QB or he'll just be another square-peg-in-a-round-hole failure.

He also had some seldom seen formations that forced defense to adjust. I am interested in seeing what we put out there. Not much help from the sidelines last year to help compensate for players.

This will be square peg meet round hole. The system will define our success.

Was that directed towards me? I never said that, Pit.

Yeah, I think he throws on the run just fine. Here is an excerpt from an online scouting report:




And one more for good measure:




I think Lynch has elite talent. Very rare talent. Guys like him and RGIII are world's ahead of a guy like Prescott in terms of their skill sets.

Lynch is just very, very raw. He's got a lot to learn and it's going to take time. But the kid has the most potential of any qb in the draft.

tab, who is saying that?

Okay.......because I think ed and I are saying he can make all the throws from the pocket. It's just that he can also throw on the move. That's why I brought up Lynch. He's similar in that regard.

RGIII's passing ability has never been in doubt for me. Reading defenses is my concern.

DiamDawg was giving a Griffin is inaccurate hot take on page 2...but its probably not even worth revisiting.

I think Wentz can, but I think Prescott would be a better fit. Lynch probably could as well, but again I think Prescott would be a better fit.

Lynch tends to forget mechanics when on the run and throws look like this.

Yet he still tosses a bullet right on the mark

I didn't say he wasn't awesome.

I just wouldn't use the same offense for him as RG3.

That is the concern. Can he learn how to read a defense, go through his progressions and deliver the ball from the pocket....

WHY on EARTH would Hue Jackson throw out his entire offense and ask Shanahan for a copy of the playbook they ran in Washington? It wasn't successful. RG3's "glorious" rookie year they BARELY squeaked into the playoffs and it got RG3 KILLED like it does so many QB's NOT named CAM. So of course we just HAVE to run the read option. LMAO

Drafting a QB just because he might be able to play in the Skins old read option that we aren't running anyway? Hilarious.

Which team ran the read option more than anyone last year?

(The Seahawks and their tiny QB.)

It works if used correctly. Washington ran Griffin into the ground.

I don't think we will be running a read option Spiritbro77.

We might use a few concepts, but that will be the extent of it.

RG3 will be throwing from the run a lot though.