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Indeed. While I was hoping we would draft Wentz there is no way I'd be happy if we gave up all of those picks for him or anyone else this draft. the Titans just got a huge windfall. I think the Rams are in move mode and they want to make a "splash" coming in to LA.

It's remotely possible that the Rams take Goff as he's a California guy. However, it's likely they will take Wentz and we will take another position. Not terrible. Not the end of the world. Good thing we signed RG3 that's for sure. We can take a pass rusher or perhaps a left tackle to replace JT eventually.....

We aren't going to win many(if any) games this year so I suppose we'll have to hope a QB is there for us next darft....

Tunsil is now my first choice, but there are a number of players available at #2 that will make fine additions.... Peace

Why keep JT if we can get something for him? He's not getting any younger and it's not like keeping him will make us a good team. We are in full on rebuild mode. Now that a QB is probably off the table our best hope is we lose a LOT this season and target a QB next draft.....

Winning that game against the Titans cost us. WE could have made that deal or we could have taken our choice at QB had we lost one more game last year. You want to repeat that next draft? Losing is essential to a complete rebuild. Trade JT, plug in Tunsil at LT and let him learn this year. Couple years from now if we do this right(BIG if) he'll be hitting his prime just when we are ready to make our run.....

Except there is quite a bit of debate on exactly who is the top talent.

I remember wanting DaMarus Ware in one draft and JJ Watt in another. People told me that those guys shouldn't be drafted w/such a high pick.

The Browns took Leon w/the 3rd overall pick. Ware was drafted at 11 by the Cowboys.

The Browns traded out of the sixth spot in the 2011 draft and Houston chose Watt with.......yet again.......the 11th pick in the draft.

I think that there are a plethora of players that could rise--or fall--in this year's draft class. There always is, but this one kinda stands out. Hell, people are arguing about whom the Rams moved up for.

Trade down..........get more picks. Choose wisely. That latter is the tricky part.

Ol' Joe Baner agrees.

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because keeping them both would anchor our line, trading joe would still leave a hole at RT...so why not anchor both sides of the o-line? we just might have a line to run behind and keep our QB upright...something the titans could not do last year...so yea I am all for Tunsil and Thomas on both sides of the line...just the way I look at it.

BPA is what we should do. I would be happy with Tunsil or Ramsey at this point...

You mean like, Justin Gilbert, Barkevious Mingo, and Trent Richardson?

If we are trying to develop a QB, trading Joe Thomas is the last thing that we should do.

I agree. We need to stop reaching for need and just take BPA. I'll be plenty happy if Tunsil turns into the next Joe Thomas or Ramsey turns into the next Ed Reed.

Fair enough.

My fears as I see us trading down.... We get a couple project players early and reach for another questionable QB by moving back into the first ahead of the Denver pick. IMO Trading down is a big gamble especially when we don't have a franchise QB. But we'll see soon enough.

Yeah...........it's all just opinion right now. Hard to say anything w/certainty.

There was a flood of reports that LA was all in on Wentz.

Then the NFL got annoyed that they were "ruining" the drama of the draft..

And then another flood of reports saying LA still "wasn't sure" who the target was..

Yeah right.. I'm sure a team would trade up to #1 without knowing exactly who they wanted..

Yeah....I see one bust there. The jury's still out on the other two. Certainly can't be considered bust's. And almost everybody here thought TR was a decent pick after his rookie yr. Compare that to all the craptastic picks made from trading down and up and it far outweighs the picks of Justin Gilbert, Barkevious Mingo, & TR hands down.

It says it was written 6 MINUTES ago.

Um

How the hell is Tunsil the best player when it's debatable if he's the best offensive linemen?

I guess that same argument is even more worthy if we are talking about the quarterbacks......

Maybe we could swap picks with the Chargers. That ensures they get the guy they want and we still get Goff.

Bingo was his namo

Jalen Ramsey thinks they traded up to draft Jalen Ramsey.

He is an interesting twitter follow.

curse them if they take my guy..phooie phooie phooie!!! Tunsil?

In my mind we have two choices:

1. Draft Goff
2. Trade back with someone who wants to draft him. Acquire picks. Take best available.

Looks like he thought he was getting drafted by the titans at #1 then the deal happened and he joked that the Rams moved up for him.

j/c:

If the Browns never intended to draft any of the QBs, then today's trade is a great thing for the FO. The market has been set and now the meaningful conversations can begin. I still wouldn't think a trade would happen until the Browns are on the clock. Trade parameters might be in place pending the official drafting of Rams QB of choice, but I doubt anything firm until #2 is up for the taking.

I think we will find out within a few days who the Rams are taking (unofficially).

With that said, you are correct in pointing out that no one will trade with us until the day of the draft. What if [Rams' draft pick] blows out his ACL training and then the #2 team is left wondering who the Rams are taking?

You dont trade all those picks for a guy to sit and learn which leads me to believe Goff is the guy.

Everyone in the Rams front office is from Cal. Goff is the guy

The NFL needs to sell to a fanbase that hasnt supported football. Goff is the guy

The Rams offense have a lot of speed and run a very timing based offense. Goff is the guy

At this point i would be shocked if they drafted Wentz.

So if LA takes Goff..

And we take Wentz..

Did we still "settle" for the "other" QB?

Or they think Wentz can play right away.



Les Snead, the GM of the Rams, is from Alabama.



I'd be shocked if they drafted Goff.

(Yes, I am trying to convince myself that Goff is still an option.)

This trade is why I was rooting for us to lose every game last season (and people got mad at me, not all people, some people).

If we pick first we either get the QB we want or we get the trade that the Titans just got. Win/Win.

j/c

If anything, I believe this trade is the worse thing that could happen if the Browns want to trade down out of the pick.

Yes, it's possible that a draft day trade could be made IF the Rams choose a QB other teams didn't see as their target QB and want the one remaining. There's so much smoke and mirrors surrounding the information being disseminated this time of year that all of it has to be taken with a grain of salt from now until draft time.

When and if we find that the Rams are in contract talks with either Goff or Wentz, no one can say with any certainty who their target is. What I do believe this trade up points out is that despite many posters insistence to the contrary, there are and were teams that felt one of these QB's was well worth the #1 pick in the draft. As the Titans pointed out, the Rams weren't the only team they were in trade talks with.

Despite the differences in opinions on this board, I don't believe there are two QB's that are worthy of such consideration. I believe that NFL FO's are much more on the same page on who that QB is than our board members.

We are no longer in the cat birds seat here. Unless some team is willing to pay a kings ransom for the second best QB in this draft, our odds of trading down is now greatly diminished. That hasn't happened since the RG3 draft and it serves as a shining example involved in the folly of such a decision.

I believe we are stuck at #2 without any pick in this draft really being worthy of the selection.

Old friend, Phil Savage weighing in....

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Make no mistake about it, @RamsNFL don't make this move without knowing exactly who they want. No debate, they know. #WentzWagon

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Always play to win. Win/Win/Win

It's obvious they know who they want. It's not obvious to us who they want.

No Phil, they traded up so they can finally start discussing it

We'll never know...but that won't stop us from debating it for the next 16 years.

Obviously. But it would have been better for us if Travis Coons just happened to miss that OT kick against the Ravens.

And if Goff had played in the senior bowl, it would have obviously been Goff as the pick. yes Phil we know u run the senior bowl. Hell I hope it is Wentz but dont think so.

Hey Mourg, we on the same QB for a change? This is it !!!

Here is the trade value chart values for the transaction:
1  LA 3000
113  LA 68
177  LA 20.2
SUM: 3088.2

15  TEN 1050
 43  TEN 470
 45  TEN 450
 76  TEN 210
2017 1st
2017 3rd
2016 SUM: 2180

This puts the value of the remaining two picks (2017 1st and 2017 3rd) at 908.2. Using the chart (which actually has been pretty accurate the past couple seasons) puts the values of the 2017 picks at around the 24th pick of the next year's round.



So, what is the value of the Browns' pick in terms of potential trade partners?

Using the 24th pick of the round for next year's picks, what would it take from SF?

2  CLE 2600 (1st)

 7  SF 1500 (1st)
37  SF 530 (2nd)
68  SF 250 (3rd)
105  SF 84 (4th)
142  SF 34.5 (5th)
145  SF 33 (5th)
207  SF 8.2 (6th)
2017 3 155 (2017 3rd)

Or:
2 CLE 2600 (1st)
141 CLE 35 (5th)

 7  SF 1500 (1st)
37  SF 530 (2nd)
68  SF 250 (3rd)
2017 2 350 (2017 2nd)


Or:
2 CLE 2600 (1st)
65 CLE 265 (3rd)

 7  SF 1500 (1st)
37  SF 530 (2nd)
105  SF 84 (4th)
207  SF 8.2 (6th)
2017 1 740 (2017 1st)


Philly doesn't have a 2nd round pick, so the only reaslistic option is:

2 CLE 2600 (1st)
141 CLE 35 (5th)

8  PHI 1400 (1st)
77  PHI 205 (3rd)
79  PHI 195 (3rd)
100  PHI 100 (4th)
2017 1 740 (2017 1st)



Buffalo is a stretch. Tough to make it work for Buffalo without that 3-team scenario mentioned earlier. This is what it looks like for Buffalo:

2 CLE 2600 (1st)

19  BUF 875 (1st)
49  BUF 410 (2nd)
80  BUF 190 (3rd)
156  BUF 28.6 (5th)
2017 1 740 (2017 1st)
2017 2 350 (2017 2nd)


The wildcard team would be New York. I think it would be tough for them to justify but they might be trying to get value for Muhammed Wilkerson (26) in his last year of his deal:

2 CLE 2600 (1st)

 20  NYJ 850 (1st)
 83  NYJ 175 (3rd)
118  NYJ 58 (4th)
2017 1 740 (2017 1st)
2017 4 50 (2017 4th)
Mo Wilkerson (24th-pick equivaluent)



Head hurt yet?

Wins against AFC North opponents are better than sex. Well, I guess it depends on the kind of sex you're used to having, but you get my point. Beating the Titans was forgotten 30 mins after it happened, but beating the Ravens last year is still a treat to remember to this day (that Barnidge TD catch was awesome!).