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yea i know you're a Cruz dude. man....i don't like Cruz, but he SEEMS to have way more patience that is needed to be president than Trump?
man i don't wanna see trump as president, talking trash about Putin or a G20 summit on twitter.
good god bro. It would be an epic nightmare for sure. Few weeks back we were talking current events with our daughters, I said that Trump was the evil Biff Tannen from the alternate timeline in Back to The Future II. Next day my older girl finds a meme equating Doc Brown to Bernie and Biff Tannen to Trump!
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Arch let's say minimum wage doesn't go up, what's to stop companies from still using machines? I think you give these guys too much credit in terms of them giving a damn about employing people. Just like with tax breaks. Just because they might be taxed less, doesn't mean they're going to hire more people. The market dictates that. Machines are replacing people. You could pay employees dirt cheap and business guys are still going to use machines to squeeze out as much money as they can for themselves.
I never understood the logic of giving companies incentives. Machines replacing people and helping owners make more money is the most powerful incentive imaginable.
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The other side of that, pit, is this: Mandated minimum wage increases of the magnitude they want, is: fewer minimum wage jobs will be available.
For those that keep their jobs, it's good news. For those that lose their jobs due to kiosks/robots, etc, it's even worse news. They won't have any income. Consequently, they'll rely entirely on the gov't.
And, those making the "new" minimum will still get some gov't. benefits. So, fewer people working, more getting benefits (some much more) helps us.......how?
Oh, hey, who said a minimum wage job worker stays at that minimum wage forever?
And, when the price of products go up, the demand generally goes down. Let's take fast food restaurants. If every person working there is getting $15 an hour - guess what happens? Fewer people eat there, AND/or machines replace the workers - or some of them anyway.
Businesses don't just eat these costs. Same with business tax. Prices go up, and overhead goes down to compensate. Who gets hurt the most by a huge increase in the min wage? The people who don't deserve it. The elderly, the disabled. Those who least deserve and can least afford to be hurt. Everybody else ends up with more money prices go up and the old, and disabled get screwed once again since they don't get raises that keep up with inflation.
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Arch let's say minimum wage doesn't go up, what's to stop companies from still using machines? I know you're asking arch, but the answer is nothing is stopping them. The US Census Bureau anticipates over 5 million net jobs lost to robots between now and 2020. This isn't just manufacturing/machining jobs. This is your routine white collar jobs. Losing almost 5% of our nationwide jobs in 5 years? It doesn't matter if minimum wage is $30/hr if there are no minimum wage jobs to get. I'm not saying the answer is keep minimum wage where it's at either, because that hasn't proved to be the solution. We still pay menial labor too much relative to the east. That's why apple etc make their products in China. We would have to lower our minimum wage to under $2/hr to bring those jobs back, and even that might not be enough because China has far less red tape than we do. I had some colleagues go to the Nvidia GTC conference last month. One of the demos they had was giving an artificial intelligence thousands upon thousands of paintings. The classic oil paintings like monet and rembrandt. *THEN* they would ask the AI things like "draw me a field." Or "draw me a forest." And the AI would draw these things, solely based on what it learned from the input photographs. This wasn't copy and pasting the prior art. This was paintings from blank canvas. These modern AI learn like our children do. We show them chairs and tables and trees and windows, and children learn through repetition and correction. The difference is an AI can cycle through millions of chairs in the time it would take us to look at a few. Some research paints a bleak picture and a radical change to how people would live their lives. Within 20 years half of all work would be done by robots. We are developing an AI for telemarketers. When it's successful, that's an entire industry of work, GONE. Yes, we all hate telemarketers. But do we hate the person who has to work there? No. If half of the workforce goes unemployed, we won't be worried about minimum wage. We will be worried about minimum basic income. Half of the country will be employed, and the other half will be supported because there are no jobs available to them.
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well then what is the proposal to counter that?
simply put, we need more training of our work force.
but right now we have cycle of inaction. we have a population that doesn't want to support training for everybody, a government who is inactive in that field, and a private sector that doesn't wanna cough up any profits to help train people.
everything has to be done out of pocket. kinda hard to pay out of pocket without a job that pays anything past your rent bill.
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well then what is the proposal to counter that?
simply put, we need more training of our work force.
but right now we have cycle of inaction. we have a population that doesn't want to support training for everybody, a government who is inactive in that field, and a private sector that doesn't wanna cough up any profits to help train people.
everything has to be done out of pocket. kinda hard to pay out of pocket without a job that pays anything past your rent bill. The long term outlook may not be something we can fix by current actions. The rate of AI learning growth is becoming exponential, so in 20 years we lose half the workforce. 10 years after that, we could lose the vast majority of it. I would probably lose my job overnight because I can see a scenario in which an AI can program MUCH better than I can. We're talking a scenario in which even the highly educated and highly skilled can't find work. That isn't something you fix with education. You would need universal basic income, ala star trek. Education and minimum wage reform simply won't matter if the majority of adults can't find work. Edit: I'm not saying do nothing now, I'm just saying we are entering a unique moment in human history and we should recognize that.
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what i'm saying is we need the training for next level stuff.
so we got robots and AI or whatever coming in 20 years right?
well, those still need to be programmed and such. they still need to be maintained and repaired most likely by humans.
also, with the closing down of industries, another industry always seem to pop up.
and i know it's way more complex than that. you got way more knowledge on this than i do, i'm just trying to brain storm and throw some ideas out there
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Thanks to Technology, in 20 years you will all be able to lay around and do nothing.  Products will still be produced by Robots with AI and your home will run itself. You won't even have to think for yourselves anymore. Cars and Trucks and Planes and Trains will drive themselves while you lay in the back. One quarter of the worlds workforce will have very good, high paying Support jobs unless they have Tech doing that too. You will spend your days lying on the Beach, sipping on a Robot made Martini. Such a bright future. I was born too early.
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well, if i don't have to worry about some teenager texting and driving anymore cause they got those self made joints, than it's all good.
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maybe, but i guess it's too late for AI to save you, though.
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Arch let's say minimum wage doesn't go up, what's to stop companies from still using machines? I know you're asking arch, but the answer is nothing is stopping them. The US Census Bureau anticipates over 5 million net jobs lost to robots between now and 2020. This isn't just manufacturing/machining jobs. This is your routine white collar jobs. Losing almost 5% of our nationwide jobs in 5 years? It doesn't matter if minimum wage is $30/hr if there are no minimum wage jobs to get. I'm not saying the answer is keep minimum wage where it's at either, because that hasn't proved to be the solution. We still pay menial labor too much relative to the east. That's why apple etc make their products in China. We would have to lower our minimum wage to under $2/hr to bring those jobs back, and even that might not be enough because China has far less red tape than we do. I had some colleagues go to the Nvidia GTC conference last month. One of the demos they had was giving an artificial intelligence thousands upon thousands of paintings. The classic oil paintings like monet and rembrandt. *THEN* they would ask the AI things like "draw me a field." Or "draw me a forest." And the AI would draw these things, solely based on what it learned from the input photographs. This wasn't copy and pasting the prior art. This was paintings from blank canvas. These modern AI learn like our children do. We show them chairs and tables and trees and windows, and children learn through repetition and correction. The difference is an AI can cycle through millions of chairs in the time it would take us to look at a few. Some research paints a bleak picture and a radical change to how people would live their lives. Within 20 years half of all work would be done by robots. We are developing an AI for telemarketers. When it's successful, that's an entire industry of work, GONE. Yes, we all hate telemarketers. But do we hate the person who has to work there? No. If half of the workforce goes unemployed, we won't be worried about minimum wage. We will be worried about minimum basic income. Half of the country will be employed, and the other half will be supported because there are no jobs available to them. Thank you. This is what I'm trying to get at. Machines are replacing people no matter what. Lowering wages isn't going to change that.
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well, if i don't have to worry about some teenager texting and driving anymore cause they got those self made joints, than it's all good.
I love driving, drove the viper earlier today for fun. Almost got into a head on collision with a girl texting on her phone. She crossed into my lane and I had to switch lanes to avoid contact. Thankfully it was a 4 lane road. I know my parents and the older generation tends to decry the self driving cars as giving up freedom or laziness. However, I welcome self driving cars. If people can't be bothered to pay attention to the fact that they are piloting tons of metal, then they shouldn't be behind the wheel in the first place. In time, driving your own car will be like owning a horse. Some wealthy people will have them as pleasure vehicles, or people that fight change, but that's about it.
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Arch let's say minimum wage doesn't go up, what's to stop companies from still using machines? I know you're asking arch, but the answer is nothing is stopping them. The US Census Bureau anticipates over 5 million net jobs lost to robots between now and 2020. This isn't just manufacturing/machining jobs. This is your routine white collar jobs. Losing almost 5% of our nationwide jobs in 5 years? It doesn't matter if minimum wage is $30/hr if there are no minimum wage jobs to get. I'm not saying the answer is keep minimum wage where it's at either, because that hasn't proved to be the solution. We still pay menial labor too much relative to the east. That's why apple etc make their products in China. We would have to lower our minimum wage to under $2/hr to bring those jobs back, and even that might not be enough because China has far less red tape than we do. I had some colleagues go to the Nvidia GTC conference last month. One of the demos they had was giving an artificial intelligence thousands upon thousands of paintings. The classic oil paintings like monet and rembrandt. *THEN* they would ask the AI things like "draw me a field." Or "draw me a forest." And the AI would draw these things, solely based on what it learned from the input photographs. This wasn't copy and pasting the prior art. This was paintings from blank canvas. These modern AI learn like our children do. We show them chairs and tables and trees and windows, and children learn through repetition and correction. The difference is an AI can cycle through millions of chairs in the time it would take us to look at a few. Some research paints a bleak picture and a radical change to how people would live their lives. Within 20 years half of all work would be done by robots. We are developing an AI for telemarketers. When it's successful, that's an entire industry of work, GONE. Yes, we all hate telemarketers. But do we hate the person who has to work there? No. If half of the workforce goes unemployed, we won't be worried about minimum wage. We will be worried about minimum basic income. Half of the country will be employed, and the other half will be supported because there are no jobs available to them. For the foreseeable future, we will live in a world where a decreasing number of people have to work while society increases in productivity (due to technology, AI, robotics, etc). This will inevitably lead to a greater and greater divide between the 'haves' and the 'have nots' and a corresponding amount of civil unrest. Another thing to keep in mind is that exponential increases in technology are not just limited to peaceful things like robotics, it also applies to other things like weaponry which has some uncomfortable implications.
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well then what is the proposal to counter that?
simply put, we need more training of our work force.
but right now we have cycle of inaction. we have a population that doesn't want to support training for everybody, a government who is inactive in that field, and a private sector that doesn't wanna cough up any profits to help train people.
everything has to be done out of pocket. kinda hard to pay out of pocket without a job that pays anything past your rent bill. The long term outlook may not be something we can fix by current actions. The rate of AI learning growth is becoming exponential, so in 20 years we lose half the workforce. 10 years after that, we could lose the vast majority of it. I would probably lose my job overnight because I can see a scenario in which an AI can program MUCH better than I can. We're talking a scenario in which even the highly educated and highly skilled can't find work. That isn't something you fix with education. You would need universal basic income, ala star trek. Education and minimum wage reform simply won't matter if the majority of adults can't find work. Edit: I'm not saying do nothing now, I'm just saying we are entering a unique moment in human history and we should recognize that. You're relatively safe as a programmer. By the time AI can out program a human, all bets are off anyway (as AI will just build a better and better version of itself in a very short time). I like where this thread is going.
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Thanks swish! I'll start fillin' that out tonight!
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Thanks swish! I'll start fillin' that out tonight! Haha go get it!!
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NY will be interesting. Clinton has been winning with 30+ African Americans. Can Bernie make a push? Can he win in upstate or is his focus primarily in NYC?
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NY will be interesting. Clinton has been winning with 30+ African Americans. Can Bernie make a push? Can he win in upstate or is his focus primarily in NYC? NY will be ho hum. Trump and Hillary will Crush it.
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Clinton is fiery tonight. She's definitely an iron lady with a spine of steel.
That spine isn't steel, it's the handle of her broom.
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Man sanders yes.
just cause somebody criticizes israel doesn't make them anti-israel.
tired of all the kiss assing we do to a nation that we GIVE 3 billion plus weapons and equipment to every year.
can't believe we kiss ass to a country that wouldn't exist without us.
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Sanders missed the point. Hilary is saying she can do universal healthcare without making it even more expensive.
Clinton will tweak the ACA, but what sanders wants to do is..ugh.
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and they are gonna have to raise the minimum age requirement for SS.
thank god for medicine, but now old people are retiring and living longer, and there's more.
there's no way this crap was gonna hold up without either raising the age requirement to draw it, or increase the rate for paying into it.
it's much better to morph SS into an individual plan for workers, than some pot luck that was destined to dry out.
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